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ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 February 2015 - 05:19 PM) going from one cesspool to another
santana Icon : (28 February 2015 - 09:46 PM) You realize the jets are in cesspool mode as well right?
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 February 2015 - 11:29 PM) no we aren't
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 February 2015 - 11:29 PM) we are in good shape compared to those 2 other franchises
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 February 2015 - 11:29 PM) so I'm not even putting MY JETS in the same category as those lowly Tampa Bay Bucs and Cleveland Browns
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (01 March 2015 - 02:53 AM) The Jets are a total cesspool
MikeGangGree... Icon : (01 March 2015 - 02:09 PM) FIRE TEH JETS
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (01 March 2015 - 08:27 PM) ALL TEH CAP SPACE
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (01 March 2015 - 08:59 PM) NFL Expanding rosters from 53 to 55
santana Icon : (02 March 2015 - 10:48 AM) yay more room for quarter backs
Chaos Icon : (02 March 2015 - 11:31 AM) McCourty wont be tagged neither will Cobb or Maclin
santana Icon : (02 March 2015 - 11:36 AM) should get suh
santana Icon : (02 March 2015 - 11:36 AM) just destroy olines
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 12:40 PM) Nah hell want more than vet minimum. Can't have that.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 02:24 PM) Jets have $51 miles in cap space right now
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 02:24 PM) Mil *
ganggreen2003 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 04:02 PM) So is Harvin going to be on the JETS roster in 2015 or we cutting him? What's the SCOOP
azjetfan Icon : (02 March 2015 - 04:04 PM) my guess is if he does not restructure they will wait until they see what they can get in FA before making that decision.
azjetfan Icon : (02 March 2015 - 04:04 PM) We have until the 19th.
azjetfan Icon : (02 March 2015 - 04:05 PM) I cant wait until FA
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 08:18 PM) The Jets actually have $55 mil in cap space right now, $65 once they release Harvin
ganggreen2003 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 09:33 PM) well Maccagnan better spend that $55 mil but spend it wisely as hell
ganggreen2003 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 09:34 PM) I think he won't just throw money at players just cause of the name on the back of their jersey
ganggreen2003 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 09:34 PM) TRUST MACCAGNAN!!!!
santana Icon : (02 March 2015 - 09:37 PM) this just in geno smith signs extension for 39 mil
ganggreen2003 Icon : (02 March 2015 - 10:28 PM) :hysterical: yeah and Rex Ryan is not a bozo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:10 PM) Ryan is not a Bozo he is a cartoon character.
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 01:15 PM) anyone know anything about CB Kareem Jackson?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 01:15 PM) FA from Houston. Obvious Mac connection.
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:33 PM) NO TO MEVIS NO TO MEVIS
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:26 PM) FIRE MACCAGNAN
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:26 PM) FIRE BOWLES
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:26 PM) CONSTANT TURNOVER
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:43 PM) I think we need to fire more people. Like Justin Beiber
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:22 PM) Kareem Jackson is a decent player, I would rather go elsewhere for CB though> He has been a streaky player, some bad seasons some good
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:23 PM) THE KNICKS
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 06:43 PM) @AdamSchefter: Filed to ESPN: Bills have notified LB Kiko Alonso he is going to be traded to Philadelphia for RB LeSean McCoy. Trade official next week.
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 06:43 PM) WOW. Rex is gearing up for ground and pound.
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 06:44 PM) Jets can sign Spiller now but they're going to need a new LB. Rex is gunning for David Harris.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:44 PM) Jets should trade Harris to Minnesota for Minnesota for AP
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:44 PM) Throw in Ivory/Powell or a pick
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:45 PM) Damn they got Shady
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:45 PM) Do NOT give up Ivory
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:45 PM) Powell ok Ivory HELL NO
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:50 PM) Well that definitely opens the door for CJ Spiller to the JETS now that the Jills got Shady
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

Ugh...I did write-ups for most of the prospects below...and managed to lose all of it. The only thing I had left was this shitty intro...ssssoooo. This is gonna be brief. Hopefully, it will still give everyone a good overview of who is out there, and make draft day(s) a little more exciting.

Before Tim Tebow, the unofficial Jets buzz words were "Pass Rush". Or the lack thereof. The Jets got some sack production out of Aaron Maybin last year, but it was hardly the kind of one-on-one, sack artist production the Jets need. Most of Maybin's sacks were of the "coverage" variety, and not the singular threat that opponents need to game plan against. It's not to discredit Maybin's value...his speed and relentless pursuit is what led to those sacks...and they are important. However, what the Jets need is somebody who get their man QUICKLY, and force the opposing quarterback to get rid of the ball QUICKLY.

Some people have proposed a simple increase in Maybin's playing time would lead to more sack production. It simply doesn't work that way. Maybin came in on obvious passing downs, more specifically, downs where he could obviously just run as fast as possible to try and get to the quarterback. Not only would his smaller frame probably be beaten down by the increased workload, but his opportunities for sacks wouldn't necessarily go up.

Outside of Mario Williams, there wasn't really a premier pass rushing threat to be had on the free agent market. So, the Jets will have to once again look to the draft for a pass rusher. This draft class is spotty, at best. There are some intriguing prospects, but they all have fairly large and legitimate questions. There are no DeMarcus Ware's to be found here. As we learned with Vernon Gholston, if you miss on a first round pick, it sets that position back several years. The Jets cannot afford to miss twice in a row on the outside linebacker position...

Posted ImageMelvin Ingram - 6'1" 265 - South Carolina

Most of you know Ingram by now, so basically he is the consensus top pass rusher in the draft, but not the most physically gifted. He does have surprisingly athleticism for his size (Ingram performed surprisingly well in agility drills at the combine), but is still more of an effort/businessman style player.

Posted ImageQuinton Coples - 6'6" 285 - University of North Carolina

Coples might be that most physically gifted pass rusher, but there are large questions concerning his effort. Maybe not the physical freak of former Tar Heel Julius Peppers, but he is that type of player. His size might prevent him from being an OLB, and wouldn't be best utilized as a 3-4 DE. His talent is top 10, but he could fall due to effort concerns.

Note: Those are the consensus Top Two...but you'll find a very large difference of opinion in the next 5 or so prospects.

Posted ImageCourtney Upshaw - 6'2" 270 - Alabama

Upshaw probably won't be a bust, he's well-coached at Bama, and has experience as a 34 OLB. But, I just don't see him ever being great. His limit physically too much to ever be more than a solid player...more of a 2nd-3rd rounder to me that will go higher because of his National Championship team exposure.

Posted ImageAndre Branch - 6'4" 260 - Clemson

A great, straight line athlete...Branch isn't the most technically sound and consistent pass rusher. He also lacks the strength to hold up against the run, which will obviously be less of an issue lining up at OLB. Played the bandit role at Clemson, which has made a lot of prospects look better than they became in the NFL.

Posted ImageNick Perry - 6'3" 270 - USC

Perry is a great athlete, strong, fast, explosive...but he doesn't know how to play the position. I never understood why he was considered such a top prospect even only a few weeks ago. But his stock has cooled off a bit, and rightfully so. If you look at his tape, his sacks were mostly of the coverage/opportunity variety...and not enough of those quick, individually disruptive plays.

Posted ImageWhitney Mercilus - 6'4" 260 - Illinois

Mercilus is hard to figure. He has one-year wonder written all over him, posting 16 sacks in his final year, after notching only 2 sacks previously. That is all.

Posted ImageChandler Jones - 6'5" 265 - Syracuse

Many compare Jones to Jason Pierre-Paul...which is a good comparison. In both potential and distance from that potential. Best fit is as a 4-3 DE (As he looks to have the frame to add significant healthy weight), though it is possible he could keep the weight down and move to OLB...maybe.

Posted ImageBruce Irvin - 6'3" 245 - West Virginia

Even if he wasn't such a f***ing moron, the Jets already have Aaron Maybin. Irvin is a pass rusher, that's it. He was only a situational player in college, though part of that can be attributed to West Virginia's base 3-3-5 defense, where Irvin's lack of size doesn't match with the requirements of an End in a 3 man front. He's just f***ing stupid though, getting arrested for disorderly conduct and destruction of property just 3 weeks ago. Not to mention his time spent in a juvenile detention center, and failing out of high school. Now, I know people make mistakes and can come from hard backgrounds...but to get arrested mere weeks before the NFL Draft...COME ON!!!

Posted ImageOlivier Vernon - 6'2" 260 - University of Miami

Vernon is one of the prospects I'm hoping for the Jets. Not because he is some elite talent, but I think he can outperform his draft round. He's basically Bryan Thomas...great against the run and offers above average pass rush ability. Vernon had a great beginning to his career, starting as a true freshman and recording 7.5 sacks in his first two years. Much was expected in his junior year, but he missed 6 games in the Shapiro scandal, and only tallied 1.5 sacks in limited time.

But, Vernon still declared early, probably to the detriment of his draft stock. Early in the draft season, Vernon wasn't getting much hype at all, and I thought he would be a steal in the late rounds. Now, with good workouts and a look back at his tape I think people are realizing that, and he seems to be creeping. Still, if he is available in the 4th round on, I think Vernon is a great value.

And I'm tired...so here are the other guys I wrote about but lost...

- Vinny Curry - Marshall
- Cam Johnson - Virginia
- Brandon Lindsey - Pitt
- Shea McClellin - Boise State
- Donte Paige-Moss - UNC
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:54 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.


Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

its a deep class for pass rushers. I'm gonna trust in rex and MT to get us a good one in the draft and not worry about which one they pick
Get it done MT
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just think it's funny. Posted Image


Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.


Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostClemens11, on 19 April 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol


And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:11 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.


Well that's physically impossible.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


It's Clemens11.

Don't even go there.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


Notre Dame fan from birth, Canes fan only because of Vinny Testaverde (my favorite football player of all-time). I wasn't around when they had their rivalry. I didn't even know they had a big rivalry until I was in High School thats how non-existant it was. So, very possible. They JUST started playing each other again, and no matter who wins, its a win for one of my teams so I don't mind.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.



Well then you will be happy to know that it is an Ibis and not a crane ;) comon mistake.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.


So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 20 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.


Thats pretty cool. They got lucky that it wasnt the dung beetle.
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