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ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (Yesterday, 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 06:58 AM) ^^^ agreed
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

Ugh...I did write-ups for most of the prospects below...and managed to lose all of it. The only thing I had left was this shitty intro...ssssoooo. This is gonna be brief. Hopefully, it will still give everyone a good overview of who is out there, and make draft day(s) a little more exciting.

Before Tim Tebow, the unofficial Jets buzz words were "Pass Rush". Or the lack thereof. The Jets got some sack production out of Aaron Maybin last year, but it was hardly the kind of one-on-one, sack artist production the Jets need. Most of Maybin's sacks were of the "coverage" variety, and not the singular threat that opponents need to game plan against. It's not to discredit Maybin's value...his speed and relentless pursuit is what led to those sacks...and they are important. However, what the Jets need is somebody who get their man QUICKLY, and force the opposing quarterback to get rid of the ball QUICKLY.

Some people have proposed a simple increase in Maybin's playing time would lead to more sack production. It simply doesn't work that way. Maybin came in on obvious passing downs, more specifically, downs where he could obviously just run as fast as possible to try and get to the quarterback. Not only would his smaller frame probably be beaten down by the increased workload, but his opportunities for sacks wouldn't necessarily go up.

Outside of Mario Williams, there wasn't really a premier pass rushing threat to be had on the free agent market. So, the Jets will have to once again look to the draft for a pass rusher. This draft class is spotty, at best. There are some intriguing prospects, but they all have fairly large and legitimate questions. There are no DeMarcus Ware's to be found here. As we learned with Vernon Gholston, if you miss on a first round pick, it sets that position back several years. The Jets cannot afford to miss twice in a row on the outside linebacker position...

Posted ImageMelvin Ingram - 6'1" 265 - South Carolina

Most of you know Ingram by now, so basically he is the consensus top pass rusher in the draft, but not the most physically gifted. He does have surprisingly athleticism for his size (Ingram performed surprisingly well in agility drills at the combine), but is still more of an effort/businessman style player.

Posted ImageQuinton Coples - 6'6" 285 - University of North Carolina

Coples might be that most physically gifted pass rusher, but there are large questions concerning his effort. Maybe not the physical freak of former Tar Heel Julius Peppers, but he is that type of player. His size might prevent him from being an OLB, and wouldn't be best utilized as a 3-4 DE. His talent is top 10, but he could fall due to effort concerns.

Note: Those are the consensus Top Two...but you'll find a very large difference of opinion in the next 5 or so prospects.

Posted ImageCourtney Upshaw - 6'2" 270 - Alabama

Upshaw probably won't be a bust, he's well-coached at Bama, and has experience as a 34 OLB. But, I just don't see him ever being great. His limit physically too much to ever be more than a solid player...more of a 2nd-3rd rounder to me that will go higher because of his National Championship team exposure.

Posted ImageAndre Branch - 6'4" 260 - Clemson

A great, straight line athlete...Branch isn't the most technically sound and consistent pass rusher. He also lacks the strength to hold up against the run, which will obviously be less of an issue lining up at OLB. Played the bandit role at Clemson, which has made a lot of prospects look better than they became in the NFL.

Posted ImageNick Perry - 6'3" 270 - USC

Perry is a great athlete, strong, fast, explosive...but he doesn't know how to play the position. I never understood why he was considered such a top prospect even only a few weeks ago. But his stock has cooled off a bit, and rightfully so. If you look at his tape, his sacks were mostly of the coverage/opportunity variety...and not enough of those quick, individually disruptive plays.

Posted ImageWhitney Mercilus - 6'4" 260 - Illinois

Mercilus is hard to figure. He has one-year wonder written all over him, posting 16 sacks in his final year, after notching only 2 sacks previously. That is all.

Posted ImageChandler Jones - 6'5" 265 - Syracuse

Many compare Jones to Jason Pierre-Paul...which is a good comparison. In both potential and distance from that potential. Best fit is as a 4-3 DE (As he looks to have the frame to add significant healthy weight), though it is possible he could keep the weight down and move to OLB...maybe.

Posted ImageBruce Irvin - 6'3" 245 - West Virginia

Even if he wasn't such a f***ing moron, the Jets already have Aaron Maybin. Irvin is a pass rusher, that's it. He was only a situational player in college, though part of that can be attributed to West Virginia's base 3-3-5 defense, where Irvin's lack of size doesn't match with the requirements of an End in a 3 man front. He's just f***ing stupid though, getting arrested for disorderly conduct and destruction of property just 3 weeks ago. Not to mention his time spent in a juvenile detention center, and failing out of high school. Now, I know people make mistakes and can come from hard backgrounds...but to get arrested mere weeks before the NFL Draft...COME ON!!!

Posted ImageOlivier Vernon - 6'2" 260 - University of Miami

Vernon is one of the prospects I'm hoping for the Jets. Not because he is some elite talent, but I think he can outperform his draft round. He's basically Bryan Thomas...great against the run and offers above average pass rush ability. Vernon had a great beginning to his career, starting as a true freshman and recording 7.5 sacks in his first two years. Much was expected in his junior year, but he missed 6 games in the Shapiro scandal, and only tallied 1.5 sacks in limited time.

But, Vernon still declared early, probably to the detriment of his draft stock. Early in the draft season, Vernon wasn't getting much hype at all, and I thought he would be a steal in the late rounds. Now, with good workouts and a look back at his tape I think people are realizing that, and he seems to be creeping. Still, if he is available in the 4th round on, I think Vernon is a great value.

And I'm tired...so here are the other guys I wrote about but lost...

- Vinny Curry - Marshall
- Cam Johnson - Virginia
- Brandon Lindsey - Pitt
- Shea McClellin - Boise State
- Donte Paige-Moss - UNC
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:54 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.


Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

its a deep class for pass rushers. I'm gonna trust in rex and MT to get us a good one in the draft and not worry about which one they pick
Get it done MT
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just think it's funny. Posted Image


Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.


Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostClemens11, on 19 April 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol


And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:11 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.


Well that's physically impossible.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


It's Clemens11.

Don't even go there.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


Notre Dame fan from birth, Canes fan only because of Vinny Testaverde (my favorite football player of all-time). I wasn't around when they had their rivalry. I didn't even know they had a big rivalry until I was in High School thats how non-existant it was. So, very possible. They JUST started playing each other again, and no matter who wins, its a win for one of my teams so I don't mind.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.



Well then you will be happy to know that it is an Ibis and not a crane ;) comon mistake.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.


So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 20 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.


Thats pretty cool. They got lucky that it wasnt the dung beetle.
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