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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:26 PM) i'd be happy if he kicks the shit out of miami and NE every year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:41 PM) I believe the rivers stuff is all speculation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:39 PM) So Many smokescreens this time of year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:09 PM) my money is we'll take a pass rushing OLB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 PM) Yup, unless they trade up.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:53 AM

Ugh...I did write-ups for most of the prospects below...and managed to lose all of it. The only thing I had left was this shitty intro...ssssoooo. This is gonna be brief. Hopefully, it will still give everyone a good overview of who is out there, and make draft day(s) a little more exciting.

Before Tim Tebow, the unofficial Jets buzz words were "Pass Rush". Or the lack thereof. The Jets got some sack production out of Aaron Maybin last year, but it was hardly the kind of one-on-one, sack artist production the Jets need. Most of Maybin's sacks were of the "coverage" variety, and not the singular threat that opponents need to game plan against. It's not to discredit Maybin's value...his speed and relentless pursuit is what led to those sacks...and they are important. However, what the Jets need is somebody who get their man QUICKLY, and force the opposing quarterback to get rid of the ball QUICKLY.

Some people have proposed a simple increase in Maybin's playing time would lead to more sack production. It simply doesn't work that way. Maybin came in on obvious passing downs, more specifically, downs where he could obviously just run as fast as possible to try and get to the quarterback. Not only would his smaller frame probably be beaten down by the increased workload, but his opportunities for sacks wouldn't necessarily go up.

Outside of Mario Williams, there wasn't really a premier pass rushing threat to be had on the free agent market. So, the Jets will have to once again look to the draft for a pass rusher. This draft class is spotty, at best. There are some intriguing prospects, but they all have fairly large and legitimate questions. There are no DeMarcus Ware's to be found here. As we learned with Vernon Gholston, if you miss on a first round pick, it sets that position back several years. The Jets cannot afford to miss twice in a row on the outside linebacker position...

Posted ImageMelvin Ingram - 6'1" 265 - South Carolina

Most of you know Ingram by now, so basically he is the consensus top pass rusher in the draft, but not the most physically gifted. He does have surprisingly athleticism for his size (Ingram performed surprisingly well in agility drills at the combine), but is still more of an effort/businessman style player.

Posted ImageQuinton Coples - 6'6" 285 - University of North Carolina

Coples might be that most physically gifted pass rusher, but there are large questions concerning his effort. Maybe not the physical freak of former Tar Heel Julius Peppers, but he is that type of player. His size might prevent him from being an OLB, and wouldn't be best utilized as a 3-4 DE. His talent is top 10, but he could fall due to effort concerns.

Note: Those are the consensus Top Two...but you'll find a very large difference of opinion in the next 5 or so prospects.

Posted ImageCourtney Upshaw - 6'2" 270 - Alabama

Upshaw probably won't be a bust, he's well-coached at Bama, and has experience as a 34 OLB. But, I just don't see him ever being great. His limit physically too much to ever be more than a solid player...more of a 2nd-3rd rounder to me that will go higher because of his National Championship team exposure.

Posted ImageAndre Branch - 6'4" 260 - Clemson

A great, straight line athlete...Branch isn't the most technically sound and consistent pass rusher. He also lacks the strength to hold up against the run, which will obviously be less of an issue lining up at OLB. Played the bandit role at Clemson, which has made a lot of prospects look better than they became in the NFL.

Posted ImageNick Perry - 6'3" 270 - USC

Perry is a great athlete, strong, fast, explosive...but he doesn't know how to play the position. I never understood why he was considered such a top prospect even only a few weeks ago. But his stock has cooled off a bit, and rightfully so. If you look at his tape, his sacks were mostly of the coverage/opportunity variety...and not enough of those quick, individually disruptive plays.

Posted ImageWhitney Mercilus - 6'4" 260 - Illinois

Mercilus is hard to figure. He has one-year wonder written all over him, posting 16 sacks in his final year, after notching only 2 sacks previously. That is all.

Posted ImageChandler Jones - 6'5" 265 - Syracuse

Many compare Jones to Jason Pierre-Paul...which is a good comparison. In both potential and distance from that potential. Best fit is as a 4-3 DE (As he looks to have the frame to add significant healthy weight), though it is possible he could keep the weight down and move to OLB...maybe.

Posted ImageBruce Irvin - 6'3" 245 - West Virginia

Even if he wasn't such a f***ing moron, the Jets already have Aaron Maybin. Irvin is a pass rusher, that's it. He was only a situational player in college, though part of that can be attributed to West Virginia's base 3-3-5 defense, where Irvin's lack of size doesn't match with the requirements of an End in a 3 man front. He's just f***ing stupid though, getting arrested for disorderly conduct and destruction of property just 3 weeks ago. Not to mention his time spent in a juvenile detention center, and failing out of high school. Now, I know people make mistakes and can come from hard backgrounds...but to get arrested mere weeks before the NFL Draft...COME ON!!!

Posted ImageOlivier Vernon - 6'2" 260 - University of Miami

Vernon is one of the prospects I'm hoping for the Jets. Not because he is some elite talent, but I think he can outperform his draft round. He's basically Bryan Thomas...great against the run and offers above average pass rush ability. Vernon had a great beginning to his career, starting as a true freshman and recording 7.5 sacks in his first two years. Much was expected in his junior year, but he missed 6 games in the Shapiro scandal, and only tallied 1.5 sacks in limited time.

But, Vernon still declared early, probably to the detriment of his draft stock. Early in the draft season, Vernon wasn't getting much hype at all, and I thought he would be a steal in the late rounds. Now, with good workouts and a look back at his tape I think people are realizing that, and he seems to be creeping. Still, if he is available in the 4th round on, I think Vernon is a great value.

And I'm tired...so here are the other guys I wrote about but lost...

- Vinny Curry - Marshall
- Cam Johnson - Virginia
- Brandon Lindsey - Pitt
- Shea McClellin - Boise State
- Donte Paige-Moss - UNC
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:24 PM

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Good stuff.

How do I catch shit about the Gators but you haven't ever about Miami?

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Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 04:54 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Yeah I know...but realistically it isn't homerism. These guys are all legit prospects I've mentioned...Miami still turns out the pro prospects, even if they suck as a team in college.


Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:26 PM

its a deep class for pass rushers. I'm gonna trust in rex and MT to get us a good one in the draft and not worry about which one they pick
Get it done MT
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

Realistically, it's pure homerism. You're not mentioning him if he wasn't a Cane.

I'm not saying I have a problem with it, I just think it's funny. Posted Image


Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Nah man it really isn't...now maybe I wouldn't know as much about Vernon if he wasn't a Cane...and therefore I wouldn't have taken notice.

But I'm not just over hyping a guy simply because he went to Miami. If so I would be all over Marcus Forston...but I think he will be a bust. Adawele Ojomo would be a monster, Micanor Regis is a great sleeper (actually he might be), and Jacory Harris will put it all together in the pro's!!!!

But I'm not saying that...you're just jealous that there are no Gators worth talking about... :beach:

PS - There are 19 Miami players in this draft.


Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 05:48 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Not saying you're overhyping this kid... I'm saying you know about him through your ties with Miami. Same as I do when (have I even ever?) mentioned a Gator in a draft write up. But I normally catch hell, you seem to skate by.

CMON CLEMENS11 COME GET HIM!!!

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Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostClemens11, on 19 April 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Why would I go after him? I love THE U :tongue: lol


And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:11 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 19 April 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

And Notre Dame.

Gotcha.


Well that's physically impossible.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:23 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


It's Clemens11.

Don't even go there.
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:39 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 19 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Well that's physically impossible.


Notre Dame fan from birth, Canes fan only because of Vinny Testaverde (my favorite football player of all-time). I wasn't around when they had their rivalry. I didn't even know they had a big rivalry until I was in High School thats how non-existant it was. So, very possible. They JUST started playing each other again, and no matter who wins, its a win for one of my teams so I don't mind.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 10:15 AM

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:00 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.



Well then you will be happy to know that it is an Ibis and not a crane ;) comon mistake.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 12:45 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 20 April 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

It never sat right with me that the Canes mascot is a crane. Thats just laziness to me.


So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 20 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

So the lame ass story is that an ibis is the last animal to leave before a hurricane, and the first to come back. Quite frankly, that just makes it sound like a dumb bird.


Thats pretty cool. They got lucky that it wasnt the dung beetle.
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