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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Jm05's 2012 Draft Pick Grades Round 1: Quinton Coples

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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:43 AM

Quinton Coples left some Jets fans scrambling for information where he would fit in and how we plan to use him.

Strengths:
  • Physically gifted
  • Quick off the ball
  • Versatile (3-4 DE, 4-3 DE or UT)
  • Good against the run, upside rushing the passer
  • Length
  • UPSIDE

Weakness:
  • Work ethic questions
  • Inconsistent motor
  • Technique moving to a 5-tech

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Probably best suited for a 4-3 system where he can line up as a DE or UT, but he's physically and athletically gifted enough to make a transition to the 3-4. He'll have to learn to use more leverage and his hands better. Technique is pretty much the biggest question for him, he's a tall guy so if he comes out of his stance too high, he can be dislodged which has a much bigger downfall in a 3-4 scheme.

Played more UT for UNC as a Junior and was more productive, which showed he could expose single coverage against lesser talent at C/OG in college. When he moved to DE, he saw more double teams and it slowed down his production a bit. He doesn't have a wide variety of pass rushing moves, but he has the athletic gifts to learn some.

I think ideally the Jets look at him as someone who eventually will be able to play 3 positions, DE and OLB in a 3-4... and UT when we go with 4 down linemen. Something Rex really tends to like in his players. Upside is immensely high, and the downside isn't as low as some people think because he will be taught to play as an end in the 3-4 at first.

Upside: Pro-bowl player who can be moved all over the front 7 to cause havoc.
Downside: Space eater (which are always rostered for a 3-4)

Final Grade: B. Would of preferred a true pass rushing threat off the edge. But the glamour of Coples upside and versatility was too much for the Jets to pass up. I don't hate the pick, especially if we find value at our biggest needs later in the draft.

EDIT: If you compare him to Gholston in my thread, I will delete the post.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:48 AM

Huge upside and minimal downside, yet you give him a B-? Did you grade him, or grade him on a curve with Ingram still available in mind?
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 27 April 2012 - 11:48 AM, said:

Huge upside and minimal downside, yet you give him a B-? Did you grade him, or grade him on a curve with Ingram still available in mind?


I gave it a B. It wasn't JUST Ingram on the board that made me really raise eyebrows on the pick, there were other players that I had rated higher on my board, and they were at a position(s) I thought we really needed to upgrade more.

Again, if we can roll off value in the next few rounds, this pick will look a ton better.




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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:57 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 27 April 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

I gave it a B. It wasn't JUST Ingram on the board that made me really raise eyebrows on the pick, there were other players that I had rated higher on my board, and they were at a position(s) I thought we really needed to upgrade more.

Again, if we can roll off value in the next few rounds, this pick will look a ton better.


Am I losing my shit or did you change the grade from a B- to a B? Not busting your balls, but I swear I thought you wrote B-.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:58 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 27 April 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

I gave it a B. It wasn't JUST Ingram on the board that made me really raise eyebrows on the pick, there were other players that I had rated higher on my board, and they were at a position(s) I thought we really needed to upgrade more.

Again, if we can roll off value in the next few rounds, this pick will look a ton better.


ingram is short to play in our system. we'll see if he works out with SD but i think that his hieght was a factor. you want your OLBs to be at least 6-4 and he was 6-1
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 10:59 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 27 April 2012 - 11:57 AM, said:

Am I losing my shit or did you change the grade from a B- to a B? Not busting your balls, but I swear I thought you wrote B-.


I had it as a B- with the dash separating my grade from my explanation. Then after your post realized it made it look like a B-
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:00 AM

Yeah it definitely has the feel of a luxury pick when the Jets don't have room for luxuries.

I don't hate the pick, by any means, it's just hard to get too excited. And I'll say it again...he's NOT Gholston.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:01 AM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 27 April 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Yeah it definitely has the feel of a luxury pick when the Jets don't have room for luxuries.

I don't hate the pick, by any means, it's just hard to get too excited. And I'll say it again...he's NOT Gholston.


That sums me up. But more importantly, there were players I thought were higher rated, that fit a need. So it made the luxury pick even more interesting to me.

I don't dislike the pick, though.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 27 April 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

That sums me up. But more importantly, there were players I thought were higher rated, that fit a need. So it made the luxury pick even more interesting to me.

I don't dislike the pick, though.


The fact that it took the full 15 mins to make a pick means the team wasn't ready. I'm willing to be they never expected to have coples and ingram available and rex wanted coples and maybe MT wanted ingram? who knows exactly but in the end we got coples so before everyone writes him off lets see him play
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:16 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 27 April 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

The fact that it took the full 15 mins to make a pick means the team wasn't ready. I'm willing to be they never expected to have coples and ingram available and rex wanted coples and maybe MT wanted ingram? who knows exactly but in the end we got coples so before everyone writes him off lets see him play


I actually thought we were going to miss our pick. What a surprise, this team wasn't prepared to take advantage of an opportunity.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostA1elbow, on 27 April 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

I actually thought we were going to miss our pick. What a surprise, this team wasn't prepared to take advantage of an opportunity.


you can't prepare for everything. imagine if luck and RG3 and richardson were all there for the jets. would they be able to decide? Point is the draft is so hard to plan for because its unpredictable. you never know when a team will reach and others will fall. Rex loved coples and apparently told him if he was there at 16 they are taking him but maybe he didn't expect to have him there? we don't really know but the jets clearly were suprised by the choices they had.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 27 April 2012 - 11:18 AM, said:

you can't prepare for everything. imagine if luck and RG3 and richardson were all there for the jets. would they be able to decide? Point is the draft is so hard to plan for because its unpredictable. you never know when a team will reach and others will fall. Rex loved coples and apparently told him if he was there at 16 they are taking him but maybe he didn't expect to have him there? we don't really know but the jets clearly were suprised by the choices they had.


Millions of dollars and months of preparation and they couldn't be prepared for this decision? This isn't the third round and two guys projected to go in the first are hanging around, should we look to move up? This is you have twenty or so guys you should know what you want.

If the team was looking to trade or whatever I understand, but they better not have been unprepared to decide between two guys that filled needs, that they had looked into and were possibly going to be available at their pick.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

Well, I hope it wasn't a case of being unprepared but rather fielding calls and looking for last minute deals to get out of the pick.

Manish said he was the top player on their board. I'll go by that, but it would be the first time they've done the BPA approach.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

The way the preceding picks went means that the options available were greater than expected, which means that the Coples pick is going to be evaluated in the future not only as to how he pans out himself but how he pans out in comparison to the likes of Melvin Ingram and Chandler Jones, who we passed on. That will be somewhat unfair given that a number of others with a potential need at DE/OLB passed on Ingram and Jones ahead of us too, but it is what it is. We were spoilt for choice, which isn't a bad thing when you're picking in the middle of the first round!
Questions surrounding Coples' work ethic are concerning, and much has been made of his drop off in performance in his senior year. But having seen his senior and junior stats posted in another thread, the difference isn't overly great, which is reassuring.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:33 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 27 April 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

Well, I hope it wasn't a case of being unprepared but rather fielding calls and looking for last minute deals to get out of the pick.

Manish said he was the top player on their board. I'll go by that, but it would be the first time they've done the BPA approach.


That's what I've heard, which is why I wonder what the delay was. Either they had a last minute rethink on who they wanted, or they weren't so sold on him that they were unwilling to trade back. But as no one else moved up, I wonder what was going on.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:35 AM

View PostA1elbow, on 27 April 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

That's what I've heard, which is why I wonder what the delay was. Either they had a last minute rethink on who they wanted, or they weren't so sold on him that they were unwilling to trade back. But as no one else moved up, I wonder what was going on.


Yeah. I agree, combined with the fact that we haven't been a 'BPA' team, there was probably a discussion going on in the room about who to pick.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:42 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 27 April 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

ingram is short to play in our system. we'll see if he works out with SD but i think that his hieght was a factor. you want your OLBs to be at least 6-4 and he was 6-1


You should IMMEDIATELY apply for a scouting job because you sound like those old school guys. Height has nothing to do with it! he isn't a midget. Our system needs pass rushers, doesn't matter what height. Dwight Freeney dropped cus he was 6'1" and he is one of the best pass rushers of his time! Stop using lame excuses.


P.S. Coples gets a D for Dewayne Robertson . . . see what I did there? No mention of the other guy that he is. :hysterical:
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 11:49 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 27 April 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

you can't prepare for everything. imagine if luck and RG3 and richardson were all there for the jets. would they be able to decide? Point is the draft is so hard to plan for because its unpredictable. you never know when a team will reach and others will fall. Rex loved coples and apparently told him if he was there at 16 they are taking him but maybe he didn't expect to have him there? we don't really know but the jets clearly were suprised by the choices they had.



I take the scouting comment back, ud fail the interview. RGIII and Trent Richardson isn't even a hard decision. If the Jets were sitting and had to decide which one and couldn't trade out, as rediculously unlikely scenario as this is, you take RGIII immediately. And I am not saying this cus I hate Sanchez but because RGIII's value is so rediculously greater than Richardson's that you should be exiled from the country if you didn't pull the trigger on RGIII.


RGIII is a high valued qb. Even if you decide not to start him on your own team, his trade value is out of this world (see what the redskins payed for him). That is why you draft the best player available, because even if you cant use him, you can still get better value for him from someone else. Sure you get the no. 1 rb in the draft with Richardson(according to most pre-draft rankings, not necessarily my own thoughts). But that is nowhere close to the value of RGIII to make it worth considering taking Richardson over him.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:10 PM

View PostEliteJets, on 27 April 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

They tried moving back and couldn't...we could be the hawks and take Bruce Irvin.... I like this pick, liked it a month ago and liked it last night

Where did you hear that? Because apparently the Jets had a team to deal with to trade back if a guy they didn't like didn't fall to them, but they ended up being in a spot where there was guys they liked that fell.
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Posted 27 April 2012 - 12:12 PM

Don't put too much stock in how long it takes to make a pick, the Jets were prepared for it. According to Tony Pauline, he called Ingram's agent when the Jets were on the clock and they immediately said that the Jets were going Coples. The Jets knew who their guy was there.
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