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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Jm05's 2012 Draft Pick Grades 2012 Day 2

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

Stephen Hill. 115's pride and joy. The guy he's never seen play once, but damn he was smoking in that spandex in Indy! Posted Image

Strengths:
  • Size, Reach, Length
  • Athletic Measurables
  • Seemingly solid hands
  • Attacking the ball at the highest point
  • Plus blocker from playing in triple option

Weakness:
  • Has to learn a full route tree
  • Experience
  • Raw

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From Day 1 teams will have to account for his speed and athletic ability outside the numbers. While learning the ways of a real receiver, he can still stretch the field and attract attention deep along with his blocking ability, it'll help him get on the field. Clearly has every bit of the athletic ability of any stud in the NFL. If he can combine that, with some football IQ, he can be an All-Pro in the NFL. High Risk, High Reward

Upside: All-Pro physically dominating WR
Downside: Just another athlete in the NFL who doesn't pan out to squat

Grade: B. I liked too many receivers in the draft to move up to get him. It would of made more sense to keep the picks and have him (or another WR) fall to us. The tremendous upside keeps this pick from being a full letter grade lower for me.


DeMario Davis. Initially thought he was projected as an OLB, but Rex confirms ILB in the future.

Strengths:
  • Speedy (4.61 40)
  • Strong (32 bench reps)
  • Special Teamer from Day 1

Weakness:
  • Level of competition
  • Lacks football IQ / high level coaching
  • Looks to struggle in man coverage

My Thoughts:

XOS only showed me a few clips and games from Arkansas State so I could only really form my opinion from a little bit of watching. Clearly he stood out as a man among boys at the level he played at, which is definitely a plus for someone making the transition to the NFL from a small school. He definitely possesses great speed and has some real pop behind his tackles.

He doesn't look to play in control very often, he relied on a bunch of his athletic ability to really stand out. He will need time to learn the system, NFL offenses and mature as a player. Special Teams he could be a gem.

Upside: Special Teams ace. Used on sub packages on defense
Downside: Doesn't even make the team this year

Grade: D+.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

HJ feel free to add your thoughts/grades in.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:53 AM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d828b89ec/2012-NFL-Draft-grades-AFC-East
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d828b89ec/2012-NFL-Draft-grades-AFC-East


I don't really feel like watching it.

What grade did they give us? Did they break it down pick by pick?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I don't really feel like watching it.

What grade did they give us? Did they break it down pick by pick?


We got a B and they mulled over the first 3 picks. The Dolphins got a C, The Bills got an A, the Pats got an A and a fellatio from every analyst.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

We got a B and they mulled over the first 3 picks. The Dolphins got a C, The Bills got an A, the Pats got an A and a fellatio from every analyst.


f*** the Pats
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

I just watched the video and Mike Mayock was like "They got Dennard who teams gave a 2/3 grade in the 7th, I got find out why he slid". I guess hes not as big of a draft guru as people say because its pretty easy to figure out why he fell. The guy assaulted a police officer recently and had trouble before that..


Its getting annoying how much they blow the Pats for their drafts, even when they showed all the garbage defensive players they drafted lately they made excuses for them and acted like they weren't bad. They really think Chandler Jones is going to be Jason Pierre-Paul. The only pick I liked was Hightower for them and even he has his limitations, on passing downs he needs to play DE and rush the passer otherwise hes a 2-down defender. 260 pound LBs are losing their place in the NFL.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

f*** your grades. Anytime you add a starter and fill a need, you don't get a D.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

f*** your grades. Anytime you add a starter and fill a need, you don't get a D.


If Davis starts a game within the next 2 years I'll leave the forum. He didn't fill a need, and he won't be a starter.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

If Davis starts a game within the next 2 years I'll leave the forum. He didn't fill a need, and he won't be a starter.


I was talking about Hill as the starter and a need. Davis is going to add some much needed speed to our LBer core, which is a dire need.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I was talking about Hill as the starter and a need. Davis is going to add some much needed speed to our LBer core, which is a dire need.


Reading is crucial. I gave the Hill pick a B.

Davis a D+. He'll be a special teamer, that's about all I expect out of him. Just because he's quick doesn't make it a great move.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Reading is crucial. I gave the Hill pick a B.

Davis a D+. He'll be a special teamer, that's about all I expect out of him. Just because he's quick doesn't make it a great move.


I only saw the grade at the bottom and thought you were giving an overall for the day. Turns out you're not as dumb as I thought. You get a solid B- from me.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:19 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

I only saw the grade at the bottom and thought you were giving an overall for the day. Turns out you're not as dumb as I thought. You get a solid B- from me.


I just increased your warn status, mofucka.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I just increased your warn status, mofucka.


My "warn status"?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I just increased your warn status, mofucka.


Lenny of all people won't give a shit about that lol
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

My "warn status"?


Yeah, it's on the left next to your name when you post. No idea what it does.

But I increased yours. Bitch.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:46 AM

Sorry, I was MIA the rest of the weekend so I didn't have a chance to respond.

In short, I don't know shit about Demario Davis, and I'm not a fan of the Stephen Hill pick. Basically, the Ghost of Al Davis was obviously running the Jets war room. Demario Davis was one of the fastest linebackers in the draft, Stephen Hill was the fastest WR in the draft, Coples is an athletic freak, etc.

My reasoning against Stephen Hill is the same sentiment that has been echoed many times already on this board, "Why give up picks for a WR in a class that is so deep at WR?" Especially a WR that is such a boom-bust pick. Don't get me wrong, Stephen Hill has the chance to be great and far outperform his draft position, which would make him a great pick. But, I generally think it's better to avoid the risky draft picks, as they flop more often than not...especially when the Jets don't have the stacked roster to absorb a risk-reward pick.

Prediction: In 2 years we're all taking a trip to San Diego to soak up sun......and beat the shit out of jetsfan115 for cursing this team.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

The more I read about Davis, the more I like him. I was reading senior bowl reports and he had good reviews there. He was the biggest leader of the LBs according to reports. He would set guys up in drills. He impressed with his speed and reading out plays. His scouting report says that his intangibles are off the chart. I'm excited to see him play this summer.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:06 PM

If Bill Belichik drafted DeMario Davis in the 2nd round, everyone would proclaim that he was highly productive, usually the best player on the field for both teams and a great leader. Kiper or Mayock or both would say that he was their sleeper pick and he would have been compared to Lance Briggs. But of course, since the Jets drafted him his garbage and probably will be out of the league in 3 years.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:21 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 30 April 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

If Bill Belichik drafted DeMario Davis in the 2nd round, everyone would proclaim that he was highly productive, usually the best player on the field for both teams and a great leader. Kiper or Mayock or both would say that he was their sleeper pick and he would have been compared to Lance Briggs. But of course, since the Jets drafted him his garbage and probably will be out of the league in 3 years.


forbes nailed it. we've drafted great for the past 5 or so years. ever since we got rid of TB as the GM (and his jolley and nugent for a 1st round pick BS) we've done great starting with brick and mangold. the only miss we had was gholston. all our other high picks have contributed. keller, sanchez, harris, mangold, brick, wilson, wilkerson, greene, slauson, connor, revis, all drafted in the past 6 years and have ben major contribuots to our sucess
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