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MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:15 PM) !!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:15 PM) They were trash without manning too.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:16 PM) f*** THE DUCK
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:16 PM) GASP!!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:16 PM) How dare u say that
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:17 PM) I'm excited to start researching potential draft prospects for us, I have no idea really who the top guys are this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:17 PM) Look at all the first round top qb draft pick busts over the years. Even most of the analysts arent sure about any of the qbs this year
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:17 PM) I can not believe u could post such a thing about THE DUCK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:17 PM) I'll be more excited if Idzik was fired. I'm interested to see who our next HC is too
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:19 PM) Bill cowher and THE DUCK
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:20 PM) FIGHT in the Giants rams game
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:20 PM) FIGHT FIGHT TIGHT
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MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:20 PM) !!!!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:20 PM) Leaf , Russell, Harrington,Young, Carr....... All picked with the first 3 picks
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:22 PM) Its all hit of miss
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:24 PM) Yeah and thats what Im saying. So you changed your tune now?
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:25 PM) No one believes any of the qbs coming out this year is NFL ready
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:25 PM) Talk about all the recent QBs that were taken and have done well
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:26 PM) not true, some believe in the QBs this year. Some don't.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:26 PM) NO
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:26 PM) SUCK FOR THE DUCK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:27 PM) I've seen tweets from NFL people that think Winston's skills are NFL ready. Has maturity issues though
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:27 PM) Yeah but most of those years there more qbs that were thought to be NFL ready. The last few years hasnt been that way
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:28 PM) Its hard to go against Winston
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:28 PM) I rather have a high pick regardless, even if you trade back, it's valuable.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:28 PM) the guy has not lost a game in 2 years as a starter
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:28 PM) Trade with the redskins
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:29 PM) Maybe they will give us 3 1st round pikcs
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 05:29 PM) picks
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:29 PM) Heck I think Maniel will be a huge bust. I actually hope he is because he was a major dickhead in college acting like he was the next Brady or Peyton Manning
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 05:29 PM) I'm no QB expert, but I think Winston shows a lot of ability to be a franchise QB. Guy has amazing pocket presence for a college QB and when the game is on the line he always delivers. He is very talented as well.
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:29 PM) Manziel
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:32 PM) I didnt see any of his so I cant say. I usually only watch Pac 12 games
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:35 PM) My problem with Mariota is that he has accuracy issues. Look at the las time we picked a qb with Accuracy issues didnt work out that well
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:37 PM) And I wasn't really impressed with Sanchez looking much better this year. His accuracy is finally NFL average but once again like pretty much every year he has more turnovers than tds
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:38 PM) 12 passing tds 1 rushing td 10interceptions and 7 fumbles 4 of them lost so he has 13 tds and 14 turnovers total
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:39 PM) No chance of him taking Foles job
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:41 PM) though he might have a shot getting a job on a team that needs a td with his improved accuracy. He was better in the Redzone this year. best of his career. No tunovers in the redzone. The first time in his career
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:41 PM) meant needs a qb
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:43 PM) I wish we could keep harvin but he is definitely gone. No way the team is going to pay him what he wants with so many needs. Hope they pay Richardson though
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:46 PM) We need to upgrade almost the whole Oline and Mangold is getting old so we need to start looking for a center soon. he is still damn good at blocking but he never pulls like he used to on running plays
ROBJETS Icon : (Today, 05:48 PM) Especially with him having to deal with that big bastard Wilfork twice a year.
santana Icon : (Today, 05:52 PM) Keenum played better than any jet qb this year
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Jm05's 2012 Draft Pick Grades 2012 Day 2

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 06:25 PM

Stephen Hill. 115's pride and joy. The guy he's never seen play once, but damn he was smoking in that spandex in Indy! Posted Image

Strengths:
  • Size, Reach, Length
  • Athletic Measurables
  • Seemingly solid hands
  • Attacking the ball at the highest point
  • Plus blocker from playing in triple option

Weakness:
  • Has to learn a full route tree
  • Experience
  • Raw

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From Day 1 teams will have to account for his speed and athletic ability outside the numbers. While learning the ways of a real receiver, he can still stretch the field and attract attention deep along with his blocking ability, it'll help him get on the field. Clearly has every bit of the athletic ability of any stud in the NFL. If he can combine that, with some football IQ, he can be an All-Pro in the NFL. High Risk, High Reward

Upside: All-Pro physically dominating WR
Downside: Just another athlete in the NFL who doesn't pan out to squat

Grade: B. I liked too many receivers in the draft to move up to get him. It would of made more sense to keep the picks and have him (or another WR) fall to us. The tremendous upside keeps this pick from being a full letter grade lower for me.


DeMario Davis. Initially thought he was projected as an OLB, but Rex confirms ILB in the future.

Strengths:
  • Speedy (4.61 40)
  • Strong (32 bench reps)
  • Special Teamer from Day 1

Weakness:
  • Level of competition
  • Lacks football IQ / high level coaching
  • Looks to struggle in man coverage

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XOS only showed me a few clips and games from Arkansas State so I could only really form my opinion from a little bit of watching. Clearly he stood out as a man among boys at the level he played at, which is definitely a plus for someone making the transition to the NFL from a small school. He definitely possesses great speed and has some real pop behind his tackles.

He doesn't look to play in control very often, he relied on a bunch of his athletic ability to really stand out. He will need time to learn the system, NFL offenses and mature as a player. Special Teams he could be a gem.

Upside: Special Teams ace. Used on sub packages on defense
Downside: Doesn't even make the team this year

Grade: D+.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:49 AM

HJ feel free to add your thoughts/grades in.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 10:53 AM

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d828b89ec/2012-NFL-Draft-grades-AFC-East
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d828b89ec/2012-NFL-Draft-grades-AFC-East


I don't really feel like watching it.

What grade did they give us? Did they break it down pick by pick?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:04 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I don't really feel like watching it.

What grade did they give us? Did they break it down pick by pick?


We got a B and they mulled over the first 3 picks. The Dolphins got a C, The Bills got an A, the Pats got an A and a fellatio from every analyst.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

We got a B and they mulled over the first 3 picks. The Dolphins got a C, The Bills got an A, the Pats got an A and a fellatio from every analyst.


f*** the Pats
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

I just watched the video and Mike Mayock was like "They got Dennard who teams gave a 2/3 grade in the 7th, I got find out why he slid". I guess hes not as big of a draft guru as people say because its pretty easy to figure out why he fell. The guy assaulted a police officer recently and had trouble before that..


Its getting annoying how much they blow the Pats for their drafts, even when they showed all the garbage defensive players they drafted lately they made excuses for them and acted like they weren't bad. They really think Chandler Jones is going to be Jason Pierre-Paul. The only pick I liked was Hightower for them and even he has his limitations, on passing downs he needs to play DE and rush the passer otherwise hes a 2-down defender. 260 pound LBs are losing their place in the NFL.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

f*** your grades. Anytime you add a starter and fill a need, you don't get a D.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:08 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

f*** your grades. Anytime you add a starter and fill a need, you don't get a D.


If Davis starts a game within the next 2 years I'll leave the forum. He didn't fill a need, and he won't be a starter.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:14 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

If Davis starts a game within the next 2 years I'll leave the forum. He didn't fill a need, and he won't be a starter.


I was talking about Hill as the starter and a need. Davis is going to add some much needed speed to our LBer core, which is a dire need.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:15 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

I was talking about Hill as the starter and a need. Davis is going to add some much needed speed to our LBer core, which is a dire need.


Reading is crucial. I gave the Hill pick a B.

Davis a D+. He'll be a special teamer, that's about all I expect out of him. Just because he's quick doesn't make it a great move.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

Reading is crucial. I gave the Hill pick a B.

Davis a D+. He'll be a special teamer, that's about all I expect out of him. Just because he's quick doesn't make it a great move.


I only saw the grade at the bottom and thought you were giving an overall for the day. Turns out you're not as dumb as I thought. You get a solid B- from me.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:19 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

I only saw the grade at the bottom and thought you were giving an overall for the day. Turns out you're not as dumb as I thought. You get a solid B- from me.


I just increased your warn status, mofucka.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:25 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I just increased your warn status, mofucka.


My "warn status"?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

I just increased your warn status, mofucka.


Lenny of all people won't give a shit about that lol
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:28 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 April 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

My "warn status"?


Yeah, it's on the left next to your name when you post. No idea what it does.

But I increased yours. Bitch.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:46 AM

Sorry, I was MIA the rest of the weekend so I didn't have a chance to respond.

In short, I don't know shit about Demario Davis, and I'm not a fan of the Stephen Hill pick. Basically, the Ghost of Al Davis was obviously running the Jets war room. Demario Davis was one of the fastest linebackers in the draft, Stephen Hill was the fastest WR in the draft, Coples is an athletic freak, etc.

My reasoning against Stephen Hill is the same sentiment that has been echoed many times already on this board, "Why give up picks for a WR in a class that is so deep at WR?" Especially a WR that is such a boom-bust pick. Don't get me wrong, Stephen Hill has the chance to be great and far outperform his draft position, which would make him a great pick. But, I generally think it's better to avoid the risky draft picks, as they flop more often than not...especially when the Jets don't have the stacked roster to absorb a risk-reward pick.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:40 AM

The more I read about Davis, the more I like him. I was reading senior bowl reports and he had good reviews there. He was the biggest leader of the LBs according to reports. He would set guys up in drills. He impressed with his speed and reading out plays. His scouting report says that his intangibles are off the chart. I'm excited to see him play this summer.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:06 PM

If Bill Belichik drafted DeMario Davis in the 2nd round, everyone would proclaim that he was highly productive, usually the best player on the field for both teams and a great leader. Kiper or Mayock or both would say that he was their sleeper pick and he would have been compared to Lance Briggs. But of course, since the Jets drafted him his garbage and probably will be out of the league in 3 years.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:21 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 30 April 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

If Bill Belichik drafted DeMario Davis in the 2nd round, everyone would proclaim that he was highly productive, usually the best player on the field for both teams and a great leader. Kiper or Mayock or both would say that he was their sleeper pick and he would have been compared to Lance Briggs. But of course, since the Jets drafted him his garbage and probably will be out of the league in 3 years.


forbes nailed it. we've drafted great for the past 5 or so years. ever since we got rid of TB as the GM (and his jolley and nugent for a 1st round pick BS) we've done great starting with brick and mangold. the only miss we had was gholston. all our other high picks have contributed. keller, sanchez, harris, mangold, brick, wilson, wilkerson, greene, slauson, connor, revis, all drafted in the past 6 years and have ben major contribuots to our sucess
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