[EliteJets]

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[SecondHandJets]

I'd like to counter his argument with this little point: The Bills are one hit away from starting Vince Young. Thanxkbye.

[Jetsfan0099]

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not to mention the dubious decision to draft a 4-3 defensive end to play in their 3-4 front (Quinton Coples)

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This statement is as dumb as people blaming Gholston being a bust because he was converted to OLB. If Coples sucks, its his fault not the scheme. Rex will put him in position to rush the passer, the Jets play plenty of 4 man fronts and rarely are in a traditional 3-4. He played DT in college, so he knows how to take on double teams and how to create interior pressure.

[A1elbow]

The league tries hard to push the Bills-but only sort of hard because it isn't like they are GB (a small town team that does things right and wins). Adding one guy isn't going to turn them into a better team. Last year them signing Brad Smith got press like it was a real move.

The Bills aren't any good. Their QB is a career backup who can play pretty well at times but isn't someone who should be starting on a regular basis. They have a very solid RB and a receiver who is talented but mentally handicapped. If the Bills had a legitimate starting QB I'd be worried about them, but the team in general is nothing special.

[santana]

A1elbow, on 16 May 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

The league tries hard to push the Bills-but only sort of hard because it isn't like they are GB (a small town team that does things right and wins). Adding one guy isn't going to turn them into a better team. Last year them signing Brad Smith got press like it was a real move.

The Bills aren't any good. Their QB is a career backup who can play pretty well at times but isn't someone who should be starting on a regular basis. They have a very solid RB and a receiver who is talented but mentally handicapped. If the Bills had a legitimate starting QB I'd be worried about them, but the team in general is nothing special.

when their run game was solid they were successful when that tapered off so did the team

if fred has a similar year and their defense with mario on board starts smashing qbs they could make some noise
but probably still come up very short for a playoff birth

[Mr_Jet]

santana, on 16 May 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

when their run game was solid they were successful when that tapered off so did the team

That sounds familiar.

[chocomag]

A1elbow, on 16 May 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

The league tries hard to push the Bills-but only sort of hard because it isn't like they are GB (a small town team that does things right and wins). Adding one guy isn't going to turn them into a better team. Last year them signing Brad Smith got press like it was a real move.

The Bills aren't any good. Their QB is a career backup who can play pretty well at times but isn't someone who should be starting on a regular basis. They have a very solid RB and a receiver who is talented but mentally handicapped. If the Bills had a legitimate starting QB I'd be worried about them, but the team in general is nothing special.

You make it sound like we have a stable and reliable QB situation ourselves. Not saying they will be really good or not but I certainly think by adding Williams and Anderson and on paper a very solid draft, they sgould not be taken lightly. Everything plays out on the field but the Jet moves are curious at best. May turn out great but are a cause for wonder.

[A1elbow]

The Bills went 6-10 last year with two wins over playoff teams and something like eight losses to teams that didn't make the playoffs. They started the season 5-2 with one win over a playoff team and four over teams that didn't. During their 1-78 season ending crap spree they lost by less than a touchdown twice and their average margin of loss was more than two touchdowns. The Bills stunk last season and they are going to stink again this season. The Jets and Dolphins are far from perfect but the Bills will finish in fourth, again, because they have no actual talent and what is their is overrated too try and keep the small market team relevant.

chocomag, on 17 May 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

You make it sound like we have a stable and reliable QB situation ourselves. Not saying they will be really good or not but I certainly think by adding Williams and Anderson and on paper a very solid draft, they sgould not be taken lightly. Everything plays out on the field but the Jet moves are curious at best. May turn out great but are a cause for wonder.

Cause I referenced the Jets in my post.

[Jetsfan115]

A1elbow, on 17 May 2012 - 08:26 AM, said:

Cause I referenced the Jets in my post.

The Bills went 6-10 last year with two wins over playoff teams and something like eight losses to teams that didn't make the playoffs. They started the season 5-2 with one win over a playoff team and four over teams that didn't. During their 1-78 season ending crap spree they lost by less than a touchdown twice and their average margin of loss was more than two touchdowns. The Bills stunk last season and they are going to stink again this season. The Jets and Dolphins are far from perfect but the Bills will finish in fourth, again, because they have no actual talent and what is their is overrated too try and keep the small market team relevant.

I still think the bills and fins will both suck. our division isn't that good. the pats are still dominent as they have ben for the past 10 years but the fins and bills still suck. no reason we can't get at least a wild card spot. indy sucks now so houston will take that division. pats will take ours probably and the steelers ravens will btoh make it, denver will probably take their division so we have to fight the chargers for a 6th seed/ shouldn't be hard

[Smedsthejet]

A1elbow, on 17 May 2012 - 03:55 AM, said:

The league tries hard to push the Bills-but only sort of hard because it isn't like they are GB (a small town team that does things right and wins). Adding one guy isn't going to turn them into a better team. Last year them signing Brad Smith got press like it was a real move.

The Bills aren't any good. Their QB is a career backup who can play pretty well at times but isn't someone who should be starting on a regular basis. They have a very solid RB and a receiver who is talented but mentally handicapped. If the Bills had a legitimate starting QB I'd be worried about them, but the team in general is nothing special.

Agreed. Fitzpatrick started out great but fizzled out completely during the second half of last season (it virtually coincided with him signing his new contract. For some reason the downturn in his form did not get half as much attention as when he was playing great. He is a good, serviceable QB, but nothing special. And with the OLine that will be in front of him this year - no Demetrius Bell - I can't see their offense taking the kind of huge leap forward that they needed; having Fred Jackson healthy the whole season would help them, but it's not as if he takes them from being a good offense to being great.
Defensively, signing Williams and drafting Gilmore made them better - with Mario next to Marcell Dareus they've got the makings of a stout D Line, but they've still got weaknesses elsewhere on that side of the ball, namely linebacker.
Saying that, it is no tonic to us because the AFC East is still very much the Pats' division. Like the Bills, we've made some strides this offseason towards getting better, but question marks still remain. We can challenge New England - we showed that during Rex's first two seasons in charge. But if either us - or the Bills - are going to challenge them for the division title, we're going to have to iron out the inconsistencies that remain.

[A1elbow]

Jetsfan115, on 17 May 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I still think the bills and fins will both suck. our division isn't that good. the pats are still dominent as they have ben for the past 10 years but the fins and bills still suck. no reason we can't get at least a wild card spot. indy sucks now so houston will take that division. pats will take ours probably and the steelers ravens will btoh make it, denver will probably take their division so we have to fight the chargers for a 6th seed/ shouldn't be hard

We are better than the Dolphins, but they have a new coach who probably isn't going to be anything special and we have a HC I'm not particularly in love with and we have a lot of potential for locker room issues so I'm not sold on us being that much better than the Dolphins. If we were only two or three games better last season and we haven't separated ourselves from them that much, it wouldn't take a lot for them to post a better record this season.

However, the Bills shouldn't of even been 6-10 last year, so I don't see how they finish ahead of any team in the division.

[Jetsfan115]

A1elbow, on 17 May 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

We are better than the Dolphins, but they have a new coach who probably isn't going to be anything special and we have a HC I'm not particularly in love with and we have a lot of potential for locker room issues so I'm not sold on us being that much better than the Dolphins. If we were only two or three games better last season and we haven't separated ourselves from them that much, it wouldn't take a lot for them to post a better record this season.

However, the Bills shouldn't of even been 6-10 last year, so I don't see how they finish ahead of any team in the division.

we have more talent. we just lost the teamwork. if we can get that back we are a 10-12 win team easily. who does miami really have. plus remember they lost their starting QB and might be starting a rookie and their best WR (traded to chicago)

[A1elbow]

Jetsfan115, on 17 May 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

we have more talent. we just lost the teamwork. if we can get that back we are a 10-12 win team easily. who does miami really have. plus remember they lost their starting QB and might be starting a rookie and their best WR (traded to chicago)

I haven't seen anything to suggest that we've "figured" anything out. Ryan is still boasting (only he isn't guaranteeing SBs), still giving out jobs and roles (really, Hill and Coples are already starters-maybe they could at least spend a week or two with the team before earning that), and Holmes sounds like the same idiot who did whatever he wanted all last year. And Tebow.

Hopefully we'll see a different team next year, but I'm not getting my hopes up that we are an "easy" 10 win team in a division that already has a top dog.

Anyway, every team has stuff to figure out every year. Good teams try to do it during the season, bad ones wait till the next year. What did we have to figure out last year? Offensive play calling, Sanchez, RT, pass rush and safety. How many of those did we address?