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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
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ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
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ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
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ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
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Mark Sanchez Is Capable Of A Turnaround

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:22 PM

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What if I said your team has a quarterback who's been to the AFC Championship Game twice in his first three seasons?

What if I also said this player has playoff wins over Tom Brady and Peyton Manning -- the two best quarterbacks of this generation?

What if I said this player is just 25 years old and about to enter the prime of his career?

What if I said the person I'm describing is New York Jets starting quarterback Mark Sanchez?

Surprised? Well, you shouldn't be.

Contrary to popular belief, Sanchez is not a lost cause. Some pundits have already pushed Sanchez out the door and claimed it's Tim Tebow's team. The Jets acquired the wildly popular quarterback in an offseason trade, but the move instead will bring out the best in Sanchez.

The Jets were wowed by Sanchez during the opening of organized team activities. He was stronger, accurate, more confident and clearly the best quarterback on the team. Sanchez looked like a player whose best years are still ahead of him.


"He's stronger than he's ever been," Jets coach Rex Ryan said of Sanchez. "He's in great shape. ... Obviously, he's going into his fourth year. He's seen a lot of different things, but that arm looks stronger to me. He's throwing the ball and really zipping it, throwing with touch and things. I really like the way he's throwing the football."

The media often harps on Sanchez's negatives. But let's take a look at the good things Sanchez brings to the table.

First and foremost, Sanchez is a winner. As I mentioned earlier, he's led the Jets to two AFC title games the past three seasons. That is something neither Brady nor Manning has accomplished in that same span. Sanchez is 4-2 in the playoffs and never had a losing season.

He also was 12-1 in his only full year as a starter at USC. Sanchez is used to winning and has done so at every level.

Sanchez is tough and durable. He's missed just one start in three years. Last season he took a pounding and was sacked a career-high 39 times without missing a game. Sanchez added extra muscle this offseason to withstand the pounding. With Tebow waiting for his shot, Sanchez does not want to get pulled due to injury.

Sanchez also is a gamer. He's the type of quarterback who can struggle early but save his best football for late in the game. It's hard to teach being clutch in the fourth quarter, but Sanchez has proven he can make big throws in big moments. He just needs to work on his consistency throughout the game.

That is where the Jets' coaching staff and front office come in. Much of this offseason was about giving Sanchez the tools he needs to be successful. The Jets brought in new offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, whose straightforward approach should be an upgrade over Brian Schottenheimer. Then, New York drafted talented deep threat Stephen Hill to go with fellow receiver Santonio Holmes and tight end Dustin Keller. Tebow, as an option quarterback, should add to a running game that also includes 1,000-yard rusher Shonn Greene.

The goal for Sparano is to run a tighter offense that takes better care of the football and keeps the chains moving.

"There's no gray area. He lets you know exactly what he expects," Sanchez said of Sparano. "He lets you know the emphasis of the day. Whether it's third down, second down, pressures, first-and-10, two-minute drill, he lets you know and then once we get on the field, thatís your test. Each week, each Sunday is a test for us. Heíll give you all the answers, and once you get to Sunday you got to have the test."

Sanchez is currently going through the biggest test of his career, but it's not something that hasn't been done before.


Remember Eli Manning's first three seasons?

Many were trying to run Eli out of New York after a slow start to his career. In fact, Sanchez experienced more success than Eli in their first three years in the NFL. Sanchez has seven more victories (27 to 20) and eight more starts. Eli didn't win his first playoff game until his fourth year. Sanchez already has four.

It took Eli four years to truly develop into a franchise quarterback. That's when his career took off, and Eli won the first of two Super Bowls.

Why can't Sanchez get the same benefit of the doubt? Despite Sanchez's early success, it didn't buy him additional time in New York. Sanchez needs to win now.

In many ways Sanchez can learn from Eli's experience. Eli was in the doldrums worse than Sanchez his first three seasons with the Giants and still climbed out of it. Sanchez's best example to follow is right across town and plays in the same stadium.

"I look at that as kudos to him for doing a great job and thriving under that pressure," Sanchez said of Eli. "Look where heís at today: Two Super Bowl rings and heís on the top of the world and doing a great job and he deserves it. Heís put in a lot of hard work so you look at it and admire it."

Career makeovers do happen -- even in a tough city like New York. Sanchez has a chance to follow Eli's blueprint and become the next great turnaround story in the Big Apple.

The Jets have proven in the past they can win with Sanchez under center. With several upgrades by the team and self improvements made by Sanchez, the Jets also can win with him in the future.


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Another New York turnaround?
Like Mark Sanchez, two-time Super Bowl champion Eli Manning also struggled in New York his first three seasons.

Player Yds TD/INT Record
Manning* 8,049 54/44 20-19 (0-2 in playoffs)
Sanchez 9,209 55/51 27-20 (4-2 in playoffs)
* Manning won a Super Bowl in his fourth season.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 04:32 PM

Stop comparing Eli to Sanchez. Eli was a 3 year starter in college with less talent around him than Sanchez had. If your going to talk about years of experience, Sanchez still has 2 years to go if he wants to be where Eli was in Eli's 4th year in the NFL. Sanchez was as young of qb as it gets when we drafted him, and he is emotionally fragile. I would say I hope he turns it around this year but I honestly don't care because if he doesn't I am perfectly fine with Tebow. I wouldn't even be that upset about McElroy playing for that matter. He is finally being pushed, his butt is on the line, its time for him to nut up or shut up.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:25 PM

View PostClemens11, on 05 June 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Stop comparing Eli to Sanchez. Eli was a 3 year starter in college with less talent around him than Sanchez had. If your going to talk about years of experience, Sanchez still has 2 years to go if he wants to be where Eli was in Eli's 4th year in the NFL. Sanchez was as young of qb as it gets when we drafted him, and he is emotionally fragile. I would say I hope he turns it around this year but I honestly don't care because if he doesn't I am perfectly fine with Tebow. I wouldn't even be that upset about McElroy playing for that matter. He is finally being pushed, his butt is on the line, its time for him to nut up or shut up.


Shouldn't that be a positive? Sanchez's growth curve over his first three seasons mimics Eli's - and is arguably better - with 2 less years of college experience?

I don't see where you're going with this.

Off topic... fun fact: one quarterback has as many turnovers as Sanchez over the past three seasons. Can you guess who?

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:29 PM

View Postsexyrexy, on 05 June 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Shouldn't that be a positive? Sanchez's growth curve over his first three seasons mimics Eli's - and is arguably better - with 2 less years of college experience?

I don't see where you're going with this.

Off topic... fun fact: one quarterback has as many turnovers as Sanchez over the past three seasons. Can you guess who?

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romo?
eli perhaps haha
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 05:34 PM

View Postsexyrexy, on 05 June 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Shouldn't that be a positive? Sanchez's growth curve over his first three seasons mimics Eli's - and is arguably better - with 2 less years of college experience?

I don't see where you're going with this.

Off topic... fun fact: one quarterback has as many turnovers as Sanchez over the past three seasons. Can you guess who?

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:25 PM

View Postsexyrexy, on 05 June 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

Shouldn't that be a positive? Sanchez's growth curve over his first three seasons mimics Eli's - and is arguably better - with 2 less years of college experience?

I don't see where you're going with this.

Off topic... fun fact: one quarterback has as many turnovers as Sanchez over the past three seasons. Can you guess who?

...queue combative, angry response.


My point is he wont be where Eli was in his 4th year this year. Eli could make the jump because he had more experience. No qb in the history of the NFL has been babied as much as Mark Sanchez has. Eli wasn't babied. They didn't have Eli doing ground and pound for his whole career and into his 4th year to slowly bring him in. He took the reigns and was expected to throw and he turned it around. Sanchez has been given a great D, a powerful run game, and limited responsibility and then the plan in the 4th year is to continue to run the same offense and utilize him the least amount possible. Tebow is here to take snaps from Sanchez in the wildcat, Sparano is here to run the ball more, and Sanchez is expected to learn not to screw it up. That would be fine if he was drafted in the 3rd round or later, but not for a guy you trade up for and draft 5th overall. The Jets went out to buy a Lambo and then only drive it on backstreets doing 15 mph in a 25 zone. And when they did try to rev the engine a lil bit, he crumbled. So they go back to driving under the speed limit with him and not exopecting much. If you have a 5th overall wb, use the damn qb. If he can't hack it, there is no reason to have him.


The Giants traded away a king's ransom and expected the performance of a king, so eventually they got one. The Jets didn't give up as much but treated Sanchez like a spoiled lil brat of a prince so guess what they are getting? An emotionally fragile qb who expects everything to be given to him. Its time for him to man up or get out, and so far Manning up isn't in his DNA. See what I did there? :tongue:
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 09:27 PM

That is why Sanchez has thrown the ball over 500 times each of the last 2 seasons, throwing over 500 times is a lot for a QB, especially a 2nd and 3rd year QB. So it was around the same as Eli. Eli had better offensive players around him, Tiki Barber was a monster in Eli's early days.

All that about Sanchez being emotionally fragile and is a baby and whatever else, that is all speculation that people are putting out there because he has been inconsistent. If he was winning games, no one would say anything. Eli had teammates calling him out after year 3 too, Tiki said he didn't think Eli was a leader. And you know what? Eli sucked his 4th season, no one believed in him. Then he just managed the game, they won the SB on running the ball and defense. Eli's 4th season he threw 23 TD 20 INT 73 QB rating 56% 3,300 yards. The next year, Eli's 5th season they ran the ball great and asked little of Eli and they had a great year team wise, Eli had his most efficient season. It wasn't until Eli's 6th year that he started really taking over as a QB.

And the fact that Sanchez had less experience in college should be in his favor, not against him. Sanchez has been better than Eli was in the playoffs to this point, Eli had some awful performances in the playoffs outside of 2 trips.

Schotty had a awful system, I think Sanchez can be more efficient in this system and they can win more games. Winning cures all, all of this shit that went on was out there because they missed the playoffs and collapsed after going 8-5.

The reason Sanchez is compared with Eli, is because they are both NY QBs, and they both were inconsistent.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:51 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 05 June 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Tiki said he didn't think Eli was a leader.



Your argument fails right there.
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Posted 05 June 2012 - 10:53 PM

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 11:02 PM

I applaud Clemens11's ability to structure sentences despite his obvious disability.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 02:24 AM

Two quarterbacks in their first three seasons.

QB A had 63 turnovers.

QB B had 64 turnovers.

One of them is Sanchez. Who is the other? He is an active quarterback.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:03 AM

View Postsantana, on 05 June 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:

romo?
eli perhaps haha


View PostMikeGangGreenFan2, on 05 June 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Eli Manning! I win!!!!!! :beach:



Ding Ding Ding!


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Posted 06 June 2012 - 08:08 AM

View PostClemens11, on 05 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Your argument fails right there.


Why does his argument fail? It's well documented that Tiki said that.

Just because the guy went on to win two super bowls, it doesn't change history.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:55 AM

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Ding Ding Ding!


YAY what do i win?
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 09:59 AM

View PostMoMilk1991, on 06 June 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Two quarterbacks in their first three seasons.

QB A had 63 turnovers.

QB B had 64 turnovers.

One of them is Sanchez. Who is the other? He is an active quarterback.


Peyton Manning is Qb 2.

so i guees Mark is going to be as good as one of the Mannings!!!
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 10:23 AM

all anyone is trying to say is he is too young and has shown more then enough that we shouldn't give up on him and that he can be a top QB in the NFL.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 01:34 PM

View PostClemens11, on 05 June 2012 - 11:51 PM, said:

Your argument fails right there.


His point or "argument" was that someone much more important than yourself (if you can believe such a person exists) believed Eli couldn't hack it in his early years. Tiki was clearly wrong about Eli, is it possible your wrong about Sanchez?

I'd like to personally implore you to enlighten us all and at least admit that it is POSSIBLE that you're incorrect.
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Posted 06 June 2012 - 03:20 PM

Tiki Barber is a f***ing loser who spent his entire career trying to learn not to fumble, retired when he figured it out so he could pretend he went out on top and then spent an entire season hating on his own team because he wasn't part of it and tried to act like he was going to be some crossover sportscaster before cheating oh his wife.

Tiki Barber doesn't know shit about Tiki Barber-he certainly doesn't know shit about Eli Manning or anything else.

f*** Tiki Barber.
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Posted 10 June 2012 - 03:05 AM

I'm just hoping. This team could be elite with a good QB. I just want Sanchez to be what he was supposed to be. I don't want to draft another QB and wait another 5 years hoping he amounts to something. Please Sanchez! Just become great.
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Posted 13 June 2012 - 02:33 PM

I have stood behind Sanchez since day 1. I do however feel this is the year he needs to show us why he should be the guy. If he can not take it to the next level we will need to start looking.
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