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Geno Throws the ball a dozen times Media proclaims him as the jets starter
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:44 PM) I hope the case drags on as long as it can...trying to minimize being at work as much as possible lol
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:44 PM) I am the opposite. I say right from the get go " If its gotten to this point they must be guilty
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:45 PM) I am gone in 15 minutes everytime
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:46 PM) The judge gave me crap once but I said I was unwilling to tell a lie
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:50 PM) lmfao
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:51 PM) I come from a very political family so I dropped that card thinking that they would excuse me
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:51 PM) I was called to jury duty in AZ after I moved to WI. When I said I moved to WI they said since I still had a AZ DL and owned a home there I had to come. So I said OK come get me nad bring me to the court house. (they are required in AZ to do so if requested). Needless to say I was excused.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:51 PM) my grandfather was a high ranking judge in NY and so is my uncle currently
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:51 PM) haha thats awesome
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:52 PM) imagine they came and got you
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:52 PM) I would not mind doing it but 40% of my income is either commision or incentive based.
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) I already give time to the chamber and other nonprofits
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) I would have been pissed.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) yeah I dont blame you
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) Although they would have to give me a hotel room and board for that
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) my boss is up my ass about not accepting the money they give you
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:53 PM) at least on the days I have to work
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:54 PM) said they'll find me and come arrest me lol
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:54 PM) Could have been a mini vaca
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:54 PM) Isnt it like $4 a day or something?
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:55 PM) I think in AZ it is enough for lunch or something
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:56 PM) $40 here in NYC
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:57 PM) per day
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 03:57 PM) What is that... Cab fare
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 04:50 PM) damn well should be
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 04:53 PM) Sounds like it may not be as bad with Goodson. I could see him ending up with a 4 game suspension for possession, the gun charges probably going to the other guy.
Jetsman05 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 05:44 PM) WHERE SHOULD I GET DINNER FROM
Jetsfan115 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 05:49 PM) i'd order a steak from idzik but he'd just give me a hamburger and try to pass it off as steak and when i cought him in the act he'd gie me a million dollars to make up for it
Jetsman05 Icon : (17 May 2013 - 05:55 PM) awesome analogy, makes a ton of sense
azjetfan Icon : (17 May 2013 - 08:31 PM) Are you off your meds again 115?
SecondHandJets Icon : (17 May 2013 - 09:00 PM) 115 is hilarious
SecondHandJets Icon : (17 May 2013 - 09:00 PM) I loled
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:53 AM) Tehhhhh
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 09:28 AM) I got to work late tonight but I just wanted to say.......
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 09:28 AM) THE KNICKS!!!!
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:03 AM) THE. KNICKS.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:14 AM) THE. KNICKS.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:16 AM) taking my shitttt
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 08:44 PM) Los Knicks
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:13 PM) NUEVA YORK
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:05 PM) THE KNICKS
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:09 PM) I hope that David Stern for his last NBA Finals as commish gets a Indiana/Memphis Finals.
SecondHandJets Icon : (Today, 09:38 AM) Amen. Memphis/Indiana would be fun
Chaos Icon : (Today, 09:56 AM) agreed. heat vs spurs would be too easy for $$$
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 10:46 AM) haters in the houseee
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Young Qb Trend and why it is happening

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Posted 11 September 2012 - 12:52 PM

There is a lot of hype lately about all the young QBs in the league right now. A lot of it is because the most rookies ever started week one, but about half the teams in the league are starting QBs who are in the first four years of their career. I find a lot of the discussion to be less than credible as it centers around the idea teams are turning to younger QBs because that is what they want. Five or seix years ago there was a lot of talk about how the league needed an injection of talent at the position. Here are the top twenty-nine passers (attempts) in 2007:

Brees
Brady
Palmer
Hasselbeck
Kitna
Favre
Eli
Derek Anderson
Romo
Peyton
McNabb
Cutler
Rivers
Warner
Campbell
Roethlisburger
Young
Bulger
harrington
Huard
Garcia
Garrard
Cleo Lemon
Tavaris Jackson
Schuab
Boller
Edwards
Griese
Pennington

So, I bolded those guys who are still starting. That is a third of the list who still has a job. I also put in red those guys who are still playing. That is sixteen guys. That leaves thirteen players who aren't in the league anymore, and I'd say outside of Garcia, Pennington, Favre, Kitna and Warner the rest could still be considered playing age (maybe Garrard). What I take from this is that in 2007, there were a lot of shitty QBs in the NFL and now teams have turned to either better young QBs or the new shitty QB. Note that Leinart isn't on that list, as the Cardinals had already given up on him but should be thought of when considering bad QBs the league was leaning on at the time.
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Here is a blurb from Cleo Lemon's Wikipedia page:

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After a career as a backup, Lemon started the first regular season game of his career in the season finale against the Indianapolis Colts on December 31. Lemon played fairly well against the eventual Super Bowl champions, completing 18 of 36 passes for 210 yards, a touchdown and an interception. He also led the team to 10 fourth-quarter points as the Dolphins fell just short, losing 27-22.Lemon, who was a restricted free agent in the 2007 offseason, was tendered a one-year, $1.3 million contract by the Dolphins on March 3. He signed the tender on May 29. New head coachCam Cameron was offensive coordinator for the Chargers during Lemon's entire tenure there.


With Joey Harrington moving on to the Atlanta Falcons, Lemon became backup to the newly acquired Trent Green. With an injury to Green in Week 5, Lemon was named the starter for the Dolphins' away game against Cleveland. After shaking off some early rust, Lemon led the Dolphins to near victory against the Browns with several successful drives (including a drive where the Dolphins lost 20 yards on penalties that was capped with a 4th and 1 touchdown). Showing amazing determination, Lemon brought victory within their grasp, with his two touchdown rushes, two touchdown passes, and an impressive 107.3 QB rating, but the Dolphins' defense could not stop the Browns. His next start was in Miami's 49-28 loss to New England, going 24 for 37, with 1 rushing touchdown and 236 passing yards. But in Week 11, Lemon was replaced by rookie quarterback John Beck. Lemon was renamed the Dolphins' starting Quarterback in Week 15 against the Ravens. He threw a game-winning touchdown to Greg Camarillo in overtime to beat Baltimore 22-16, giving Miami their first (and only) win of the season.



I assume this was written by his mom, since "playing fairly well" is a 65 QB rating and he showed "amazing determination" in a loss against the Browns.
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 02:14 PM

I was blessed that my first live NFL experience was a titanic QB duel between Cleo Lemon and Eli Manning!

If you look at the list of QBs playing where those out the league used to start, it's remarkable how many are first rounders - Stafford, Ponder, Weeden, Gabbert, Ryan, Tannehill, Freeman, Sanchez, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford, Newton, Locker, Griffin, Luck... Add to that Tim Tebow, who was starter in Denver most of last season.
There seems to be a greater trend in favour of throwing first round picks in at the deep end, rather than have them sit and learn behind a steady veteran (your Jason Campbell-type QBs). You could argue that it's paid off to varying degrees for the Lions, Falcons, Ravens and Jets. The Bengals' even gambled on starting Dalton from the outset - it resulted in them reaching the playoffs last year, but was certainly a risk - while Russell Wilson is starting for the Seahawks over Matt Flynn, who was being tipped as the next Matt Schaub.
Teams certainly seem more willing to reach for a QB too, with players such as Ponder, Gabbert, Tannehill, Weeden and Locker all selected above where they arguably should have been.

One prediction I would make without looking at the evidence is that teams are no longer as interested in having a veteran backup, preferring instead to go with second or third year pros who were mid round selections. Can't be bothered to compare depth charts from this year and back in 2007 though!
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Posted 11 September 2012 - 02:43 PM

I think the trend in throwing guys out there is that a lot of the guys starting in the early part of the decades were scrubs. Harrington? Lemon? Huard? There isn't a lot of guys on that list that retired jest because of age. Favre, McNabb, Garcia, Warner. But mostly, the guys teams had starting before they started turning to younger guys were bums and busts. I really think teams have been forced into starting younger guys because a lot of guys taken before that were busts.

Its subjective, but I think if you compared the bust rate of QBs taken in the first round (or two) in the mid to late nineties and early part of this decade it is disproportional to the history of the NFL in general.
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