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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 07:23 AM) preseason or not, our offense hasn't looked competent in a while like it does this year. our rushing attack should be very good. Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory could be a dynamic duo
santana Icon : (Today, 10:14 AM) http://youtu.be/2X0H709cJkA
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 10:41 AM

Meshown said the Jets have no talent. He goes on to say the coaching staff is the only reason we are competitive. He also said outside of 7 players we have no one who could start on another team. At first I just called him a hater. After letting it stew for a minute he may have a point. Breaking it down excluding Revis.

Mangold
Brick
Holmes
Cro
Landry
Harris
Keller
Am I missing anyone?

Now to put this in perspective, How many teams have an all star cast?
Eagles? Maybe but the dream team does not play like it.
Giants? All Star? no but soilid in almost every position.
Greenbay? Nope. They do have some great talent but they have huge holes in the O-Line and Defense.
Texans? One of my SB picks. Probably one of the more complete teams. Like the Giants solid but not overpowering with talent outside of Johnson and Foster.
Bears? My other SB pick, Hard one. Can the veteran players stay on the field all year? Will cutler implode?

I guess my thought is there is not a team that is 100% complete. The teams that have been winning are more solid throughout rather than having an all star roster or alot of marquee players. End of the day Key had a point. We need more talent. We need a more solid team with less question marks and stop the spending on marquee players. We could fill two holes with solid players that will help us win.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:16 AM

Could do this with any team...
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:27 AM

Hes right, this team lacks talent. What do we have on offense? A awful starting RB, inexperienced WRs, nothing at TE outside of Keller who isn't playing and a inconsistent QB. On defense our front 7 lacks talent, we have no pass rusher or speed.

Tannenbaum's seat should be hot right now.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 30 September 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Hes right, this team lacks talent. What do we have on offense? A awful starting RB, inexperienced WRs, nothing at TE outside of Keller who isn't playing and a inconsistent QB. On defense our front 7 lacks talent, we have no pass rusher or speed.

Tannenbaum's seat should be hot right now.

Yup. I cant think of a perfect team but we seem to have more holes than the norm. Tanny better get to work.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 12:05 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 30 September 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Could do this with any team...

Yup but this is a Jets site last I checked
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 01:08 PM

Sounds right except with the idea our coaching staff keeps us in games. Most teams don't have tons of obvious starters and get more out of them. Watch our defense without Revis.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

Sounds right except with the idea our coaching staff keeps us in games. Most teams don't have tons of obvious starters and get more out of them. Watch our defense without Revis.

Its hard to build a house with limited tools.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:03 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 30 September 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Its hard to build a house with limited tools.


Ryan was hired onto a team that had nine wins and missed the playoffs because the QB got hurt. There were three Pro-Bowl linemen on offense and Harris and Revis on defense. What has Ryan been a part of adding?

When people talk about good players on our team, who do they mention? Revis, Mangold, Ferguson (not much these days), Harris. When people talk about guys who should be benched or whatever, who do they talk about? Sanchez, Greene, Wilson, Holmes...Ryan has been leading this team into regression.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:11 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Ryan was hired onto a team that had nine wins and missed the playoffs because the QB got hurt. There were three Pro-Bowl linemen on offense and Harris and Revis on defense. What has Ryan been a part of adding?

When people talk about good players on our team, who do they mention? Revis, Mangold, Ferguson (not much these days), Harris. When people talk about guys who should be benched or whatever, who do they talk about? Sanchez, Greene, Wilson, Holmes...Ryan has been leading this team into regression.


Our D has been far improved than under Herm or Mangina. Also Favre, Jenkins, Woody, Rhodes ect... are gone. We do not have a QB nor a HB. And a revolving door of average recievers. The coaching staff has not had the tools yet has made the AFC champ game 2 of three years. Again we have no tools to work with.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:17 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 30 September 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Our D has been far improved than under Herm or Mangina. Also Favre, Jenkins, Woody, Rhodes ect... are gone. We do not have a QB nor a HB. And a revolving door of average recievers. The coaching staff has not had the tools yet has made the AFC champ game 2 of three years. Again we have no tools to work with.


Those guys are gone, but where is Ryan in getting them replaced? Scott hasn't been a good addition. None of our defensive picks had been better than okay. Ryan doesn't just take off all summer and get his classroom assigned to him. I'm always amazed at how many excuses a guy that took over a team that was a SB contender the year before he came around gets made for him.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:22 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

Those guys are gone, but where is Ryan in getting them replaced? Scott hasn't been a good addition. None of our defensive picks had been better than okay. Ryan doesn't just take off all summer and get his classroom assigned to him. I'm always amazed at how many excuses a guy that took over a team that was a SB contender the year before he came around gets made for him.

Ryan does not do the drafting. Remember the whole "he got one pick in the 4th" and he took Conner.

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"that was a SB contender the year before"
WHAT? You cant be serious. SB contender? Get real man.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:28 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 30 September 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Ryan does not do the drafting. Remember the whole "he got one pick in the 4th" and he took Conner. WHAT? You cant be serious. SB contender? Get real man.


Yeah, Ryan just hibernates during the summer. And we should believe what he says because:

-Schotty was going to be back unless he got a HC job (fired)
-Hunter was going to start the season (fired)
-Greene is still going to be the starter (going to be benched next week)

so on and so forth.

Yeah, we had one of the best records in the league before Favre got hurt, although people act like we were a three win team that year.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 02:34 PM

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Yeah, Ryan just hibernates during the summer. And we should believe what he says because:

-Schotty was going to be back unless he got a HC job (fired)
-Hunter was going to start the season (fired)
-Greene is still going to be the starter (going to be benched next week)

so on and so forth.

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Yeah, we had one of the best records in the league before Favre got hurt, although people act like we were a three win team that year.

No we did not. We did not even have the best in our own division. We were a wild card team at best.

You think Ryan has the final say in who gets drafted? He did not even like Hill. I am sure he looks at players and all that but the scouts and Tanny make the call. Ryan just has input at best.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 03:00 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 30 September 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

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Yeah, Ryan just hibernates during the summer. And we should believe what he says because:

-Schotty was going to be back unless he got a HC job (fired)
-Hunter was going to start the season (fired)
-Greene is still going to be the starter (going to be benched next week)

so on and so forth.

No we did not. We did not even have the best in our own division. We were a wild card team at best.

You think Ryan has the final say in who gets drafted? He did not even like Hill. I am sure he looks at players and all that but the scouts and Tanny make the call. Ryan just has input at best.


That was what we were the two years we went to the AFC championship game (although people act like to pretend we were 14 win teams going there and not just a barely-made it team that strung two postseason wins together).
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 03:37 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

That was what we were the two years we went to the AFC championship game (although people act like to pretend we were 14 win teams going there and not just a barely-made it team that strung two postseason wins together).

We were 11-5 in 2010 with three games being lost by 4 points or less. Thats a pretty good record considering what the AFC looked like in 2010. 9-7 in 2009 with 5 games being lost under 4 points with a rookie QB. All with less talent than our "SB contender" team had. I am not sure what you are trying to say but if you are saying we lucked out winning 2 play off games each year you may want to reconsider. Rex and comapny have had little talent to work with and have got the job done. Now he has even less talent and he can't just out coach the opponent anymore. He is missing the tools. He is cutting a 2X4 with a butter knife.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 03:47 PM

It just makes me so sad that the team can't give Ryan the brilliant team he deserves. If only he was involved in any of the areas of the team that they deficient in, maybe the Jets would be a better team.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:06 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

It just makes me so sad that the team can't give Ryan the brilliant team he deserves. If only he was involved in any of the areas of the team that they deficient in, maybe the Jets would be a better team.

Are you using sarcasm because you don't have a valid arguement or some other reason? If you think Rex is the problem thats your opinion which is fine. I think he is one of the few strong points on our team. I believe the problem is with Tanny and trying to be to crafty and always trying to hit the home run instead of bringing in solid players. He has hit a couple homeruns but he has way to many strikeouts trying to do so.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:17 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 30 September 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

Are you using sarcasm because you don't have a valid arguement or some other reason? If you think Rex is the problem thats your opinion which is fine. I think he is one of the few strong points on our team. I believe the problem is with Tanny and trying to be to crafty and always trying to hit the home run instead of bringing in solid players. He has hit a couple homeruns but he has way to many strikeouts trying to do so.


It is because when I say the team doesn't have a good offense and relate it to the HC people say:

"Ryan is a defensive guy! He likes defense! It is the offensesive guys' fault!"

When I say the team hasn't drafted well with Ryan as a HC people say:

"Ryan doesn't draft! He only gets one pick and that was John Conner! He doesn't get a say!"

Well, we have a DC, so what is our HC's job...to talk out of his ass? Tannenbaum I link to mistakes like resigning Holmes. I hardly think Tanny is not mostly letting Ryan have his pick on what defensive players they bring in and Ryan has plenty of say in the offense, especially this season. Never mind that a Head Coach's job is to put together a winning TEAM and not just a unit and nevermind that the team has gotten worse under Ryan.

Thanks for telling me it is fine that I have my opinion. Is that one of those things where I am supposed to take a hint and not debate with you on a public forum designed for people to discuss football?
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:38 PM

I agree with az. I'm calling for Mike T.'s head. For whatever reason he just got unbelievably complacent with this team. There were ridiculous amounts of depth that weren't addressed all offseason.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 30 September 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

It is because when I say the team doesn't have a good offense and relate it to the HC people say:

"Ryan is a defensive guy! He likes defense! It is the offensesive guys' fault!"

When I say the team hasn't drafted well with Ryan as a HC people say:

"Ryan doesn't draft! He only gets one pick and that was John Conner! He doesn't get a say!"

Well, we have a DC, so what is our HC's job...to talk out of his ass? Tannenbaum I link to mistakes like resigning Holmes. I hardly think Tanny is not mostly letting Ryan have his pick on what defensive players they bring in and Ryan has plenty of say in the offense, especially this season. Never mind that a Head Coach's job is to put together a winning TEAM and not just a unit and nevermind that the team has gotten worse under Ryan.

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So you are saying you are using what others say against me?
Do you think Ryan has the final say in the draft?
Most importantly do you think we have all the pieces we need?

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Thanks for telling me it is fine that I have my opinion. Is that one of those things where I am supposed to take a hint and not debate with you on a public forum designed for people to discuss football?

I never said that. You are assuming. I am saying I am not going to tell you your opinion is wrong but it is just an opinion much like mine.
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