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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

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Analysis: Jets are screwing up Sanchez

4:57PM EST October 2. 2012 - All sides of the argument have been tossed around the past few days in the New York market after a 34-0 loss to the San Francisco 49ers at home:

The Jets should start Tim Tebow now.

The Jets should use a little more Tebow going forward.

The Jets would be nuts to bench Mark Sanchez for a guy whose accuracy is worse.

Put us down as being a staunch supporter of that last statement.

Sanchez is 25 years old twenty-five and already has two AFC Championship Game appearances on his resume. The guy can play. A quarterback doesn't throw nine touchdowns to only three interceptions in the postseason -- the way he did in 2009 and '10 at the ages of 23 and 24, only to then forget how to play the game as he's heading into what should be the prime of his career.

No, that's a sign that what's surrounding him isn't fostering his growth as a player.

Mark Sanchez isn't screwing the Jets up. The Jets are screwing up Sanchez.

Allow us to count the ways.

Botched personnel decisions

Let's start with Sanchez's targets. From Derrick Mason to Plaxico Burress to Stephen Hill, Sanchez hasn't had a reliable No. 1 option opposite Santonio Holmes over the past two seasons. Jeremy Kerley shows signs of being a No. 3 option, but come on now. In this league, a team should have three solid options before the season begins.

The Jets barely had one in Holmes - the guy who threw a hissy fit in Miami and quit on his team. As much as that's an issue, we do realize what the guy brings on Sundays. So now that he's got a foot injury that could keep him out a long time, can you imagine how bad the passing game is going to be, even when injured tight end Dustin Keller returns?

Say goodnight to the Jets' chances.

And say hello to a high draft pick, which undoubtedly will tempt them to draft a quarterback. If general manager Mike Tannenbaum is still around to make that selection, he should realize he's on the clock because he hasn't done enough for Sanchez.

Lack of a running game

This is a continuation of the previous point about personnel decisions, because Shonn Greene just isn't getting it done. The offensive line in front of him isn't the league's best but it's certainly good enough to pave the way for more than 2.8 yards per carry.

That's Greene's average through four games. The lack of a running game isn't helping Sanchez. He was effective a few years ago while running play-action and bootleg schemes. If there isn't a running game for a defense to respect, fake handoffs and rollouts are just wasted motion.

Coaching styles

First, the problem was former offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer's overly complex system. Now, it's Tony Sparano and the Wildcat. Looking for the Ground and Pound? Try the Lost and Found. The successful offenses have pass-heavy schemes with route-adjustment options that are difficult to keep in check for long. The Jets aren't adjusting to the trend that's developing all around them. If anything, they're trying to buck it. Big mistake.

Tebow's presence

Not that he's to blame. The poor guy is just trying to win one of only 32 jobs in existence. He's being a good sport and lining up at tight end, running back and wideout because, well, what other option does he have?

The problem is the sideshow and the debate that erupts as soon as Sanchez overthrows a couple of passes. Frankly, all of this "Start Tebow" stuff would've been here a week ago if the Miami Dolphins hadn't tossed away last Sunday's game via a few missed field goals and an unfortunate timeout that was intended to ice kicker Nick Folk but instead negated a blocked field goal.

Sanchez wasn't sharp in Miami and, much as we're supporting him here, he was worse against the Niners. (See the lack of touch on the screen pass that was batted and intercepted.)

But teh Jets knew they had a quarterback with a fragile psyche. Why did they create this circus around him?

The Tebow plan

We remain convinced there's a reason you've seen the Wildcat only in rare cases on Super Bowl Sundays: It's a gimmick, and gimmicks don't win championships, only occasional games. Sanchez needs to stay on the field from start to finish, both for rhythm and respect purposes.

Besides that, do the Jets even have a clear plan for Tebow? Doesn't appear so. Is he a receiver, a running threat, a blocker, a decoy? The answer is all of the above, which means it's none of the above.

Of course, there's the other role: Sanchez distraction.

It's unfair to Sanchez and unfair to the rest of the team. The Jets had the best of intentions and it's not a lack of effort that's the issue. But when this thing starts to spiral downward, as it appears it might, the Jets should remember to foster Sanchez's growth, not detract from it.

It's not too late.


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:16 PM

great article, I actually agree with all of it.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 12:21 PM

View Post518-JeTS-FaN, on 02 October 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

great article, I actually agree with all of it.


Personnel decisions haven't helped Sanchez' growth, but the level of his play certainly isn't where it should be regardless of his supporting cast. Even when he had three reliable targets in Holmes, Edwards and Keller, Mark was inconsistent. Nevertheless there are still 12 games remaining for Sanchez to redeem himself. Given the injuries we've had, Tebow may gives us the better chance of winning some games with his ability to make plays with his legs, but he's less likely to be the long term solution than Sanchez is.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:00 PM

The circus and the soap opera have married will they have a child ? stay tuned and that seems to sell tickets . Tanny's style of finding players is not having the great knowledge to know who are the great players and that is why he has to look under every rock . we don't have a system that we are married to, we go from coach to coach looking for the magic slipper . offensive blocking is always slow to reassert its self in the league they will get better as we go. oh Mark has to play like a veteran QB . keep your fingers crossed.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

View PostChaos, on 02 October 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:



A well thought out article. Only problem is that whether you believe Sanchez was ruined by these other factors or whether you believe he never was that good, the bottom line is he is not a good QB by any measurable standards. Sometimes you need only watch and after 50 years of doing that, I can tell you that this kid does not have it.

I'm not comparing him to Peyton Manning here (God forbid) but look at what he does with Denver. They don't have stellar WR's. But he gets them the ball because he is accurate. It only takes 3 or 4 passes that go from incomplete or intercepted to complete to change a game.

I'm also not saying we would or could have beaten the 49ers. They are vastly better than we are. But take that long pass to Holmes that had he led him more to Holmes left, the defender would not have been able to deflect that ball. You can say it is one pass but it isn't. It is continuous with him. The fumble is endemic with him as well.

The other points you raise are valid. Our drafting is terrible, our coaching is questionable and our running game is horrendous. But the Jets won't make changes. Powell should definitely start. Are they afraid it will hurt Greene's feelings or show weakness? And if we had a top QB throwing to Keller, Hill, Kerley, Shillens, I believe we would complete lots more passes than we do.

I don't want to be saying this when Sanchez is 28. It's time to get serious about his future with the Jets.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

Are you REALLY using Manning & Denver as an example to knock Sanchez? The same Manning that has people still saying he's still lacking arm strength & the same Manning that has what record thus far this year? The same 2-2 record that we have?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:14 PM

No team has done less to help their 1st round QB than the Jets. That's a fact.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:18 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 04 October 2012 - 04:14 PM, said:

No team has done less to help their 1st round QB than the Jets. That's a fact.


Agreed.

Comical that Rex inherited a very good defense, the games best defensive player and yet we still have to draft defense because he can't find under the radar talent in the market. Complete failure.

Other teams (look at Baltimore) continue to draft for their young QB. OL, WR, TE's all the time. Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pita, Michael Oher, etc. are all to help our their QB.

Our team is a complete failure and it's time to gut it and restart.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 03:26 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 04 October 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Agreed.

Comical that Rex inherited a very good defense, the games best defensive player and yet we still have to draft defense because he can't find under the radar talent in the market. Complete failure.

Other teams (look at Baltimore) continue to draft for their young QB. OL, WR, TE's all the time. Torrey Smith, Ed Dickson, Dennis Pita, Michael Oher, etc. are all to help our their QB.

Our team is a complete failure and it's time to gut it and restart.


Gut it to what? We're missing a few pieces but it's not like we're the Browns (who actually invested in their offense this time around). Stop with the Sanchez bashing. Get him another target. Figure out if the answer to the running back problem is on the roster or not, and get some OL depth.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:00 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 04 October 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Gut it to what? We're missing a few pieces but it's not like we're the Browns (who actually invested in their offense this time around). Stop with the Sanchez bashing. Get him another target. Figure out if the answer to the running back problem is on the roster or not, and get some OL depth.


We're missing much more than a few pieces. Offensive line isn't playing up to par for a long time now, time to stop calling the likes of Brick and Moore top players. They're not.

Running back we don't have the answer.

We have a 50m WR who is a #2 and now is out for a year (who knows if he will recover).

We have 2 corners who are paid big money, so we can only afford 1 year players (like Landry) to fill holes in the safety position.

Our LB's are all junk. Harris is the only decent link there.

We don't have a HC worth a damn. We don't have a GM worth a damn.

Oh and our QB is never going to succeed in this league. He's been ruined.

Gut it.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

The Jets might be the worst team in the league. 31st in the league in stopping the run and likely last in a lot of offensive categories. Some could say Saints are worse but they have looked better in losses.

Where the Jets have really failed Sanchez is at WR. Look at all the teams with upper echelon QB's. Most if not all have the exact same WR's year in and year out. It's impossible to grow a QB with the constant shuffle. Mark Sanchez hasn't been well. In fact he's never really consistently played well but in all fairness expecting him to be a good QB under these circumstances is asinine. Mike Tannenbaum destroyed Sanchez. I don't think there is any QB (especially young and growing) would survive under these circumstances. Personally the day Tanny ruined Sanchez was the time when he got rid of Cotchery, opted not to re-sign Braylon and signed Holmes. That course of events is what ruined him.

He liked Cotch and Bray. Cotch, Bray and Keller is where I think he was most comfortable but because Tanny isn't a football guy he failed to see this.

F*ckin idiot.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:38 PM

View PostS-Dubb, on 04 October 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

The Jets might be the worst team in the league. 31st in the league in stopping the run and likely last in a lot of offensive categories. Some could say Saints are worse but they have looked better in losses.

Where the Jets have really failed Sanchez is at WR. Look at all the teams with upper echelon QB's. Most if not all have the exact same WR's year in and year out. It's impossible to grow a QB with the constant shuffle. Mark Sanchez hasn't been well. In fact he's never really consistently played well but in all fairness expecting him to be a good QB under these circumstances is asinine. Mike Tannenbaum destroyed Sanchez. I don't think there is any QB (especially young and growing) would survive under these circumstances. Personally the day Tanny ruined Sanchez was the time when he got rid of Cotchery, opted not to re-sign Braylon and signed Holmes. That course of events is what ruined him.

He liked Cotch and Bray. Cotch, Bray and Keller is where I think he was most comfortable but because Tanny isn't a football guy he failed to see this.

F*ckin idiot.


Couldn't agree more, How can they expect Sanchez to be good when they constantly change his targets and expect him to muddle through? Personally I think Sanchez has all the physical tools to be a serviceable QB for our system, but his biggest problem is that I don't think he's very strong mentally to get it done. When you change the pieces on the board, the player has to adjust to a new situation even when its difficult, and when he can do that he will have success as you see many QB's in this league do week in and week out.

If we can get him better options then we have now, we should be alright as long as he's our QB1, here's what I would do:

Re-Sign Keller: He is Sanchez's favorite target, and we have to keep consistenticy to let Sanchez grow with him
Keep Kerley, Hill, and Holmes: I personally think Kerley's our best WR right now, Hill has untapped potential so we gotta see what we got with him. Holmes is a jackoff, but at least he's been with us a couple years so he knows the system.
Get rid of Greene: he's a bum, we need a RB who can score from anywhere on the field, and we all know he can't
If we get a Top 10 pick draft a stud RB, then 2nd Round get him another WR that can stretch the field, if our GM can pull his head out of his ass or if we get a new one, this is fixable so lets keep the faith season's not over yet
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

View PostJETS RULE, on 05 October 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

Couldn't agree more, How can they expect Sanchez to be good when they constantly change his targets and expect him to muddle through? Personally I think Sanchez has all the physical tools to be a serviceable QB for our system, but his biggest problem is that I don't think he's very strong mentally to get it done. When you change the pieces on the board, the player has to adjust to a new situation even when its difficult, and when he can do that he will have success as you see many QB's in this league do week in and week out.

If we can get him better options then we have now, we should be alright as long as he's our QB1, here's what I would do:

Re-Sign Keller: He is Sanchez's favorite target, and we have to keep consistenticy to let Sanchez grow with him
Keep Kerley, Hill, and Holmes: I personally think Kerley's our best WR right now, Hill has untapped potential so we gotta see what we got with him. Holmes is a jackoff, but at least he's been with us a couple years so he knows the system.
Get rid of Greene: he's a bum, we need a RB who can score from anywhere on the field, and we all know he can't
If we get a Top 10 pick draft a stud RB, then 2nd Round get him another WR that can stretch the field, if our GM can pull his head out of his ass or if we get a new one, this is fixable so lets keep the faith season's not over yet


One thing we've constantly been missing during Mark's time with the team is an explosive, dynamic offensive weapon, whether it be at running back or receiver; if only we'd have had LT available closer to his prime!
Really the last offensive player we had to fit that description was Leon Washington, but unfortunately his injury in the trip to Oakland during Mark's rookie season meant the front office shied away from keeping him.
Brad Smith could make things happen, but getting his catching abilities were not good enough to warrant much playing time other than when we went to the Wildcat and it was more or less obvious what play was coming.
Of those players currently on the team, Kerley is a shifty receiver out of the slot, but can't yet fill the kind of role someone like Danny Amendola does for the Rams. Hill's strength is as a deep threat and needs a lot of work if he is to be anything more than that. At running back McKnight is an able receiver, but there's a reason he's slipped to third on the depth chart; he's more a case of unfulfilled talent, still he's valuable in the return game.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 03:19 PM

This is my biggest problem. I'm tired of hearing crap like this. This is the true meaning of a Sacnchez apologist article. The Jets are messing up Sanchez. Im tired of hearing about it being everyone elses fault but Marks.The way I see it. Mark could have Calvin Johnson,Larry Fitzgerald,and Andre Johnson receiving for us and they would still end up looking like sh*tty receivers with Mark throwing to them.

How about it being the qb`s job to make an accurate pass consistently between the numbers of the receiver? Our oline is 29th in sacks and Sanchez isn't great at getting away from sacks so that means this line is giving him some of the best protection in the league.

No way you can tell me that The Rams has a better oline than we do. They have like 3 backups starting from injuries(one of them starting is Wayne Hunter) and Schotty is there too. Yeah they might have a good rb in Steven Jackson but Bradford has been getting demolished since he has been with the Rams. Also they sure as hell dont have a star core of receivers. Yet Braford makes the throws to them.

And yet with all that said on national television last night Bradford looks way more composed than Mark and even though some of his throws were off ...more of them were on target. Other than Steven Jackson the Rams offense is very similar to the Jets offense except with a much worse offensive line. And still Bradford was able to make plays. He was under pressure constantly and made a lot of plays after scrambling or moving around in the pocket to avoid a sack.

When Mark scrambles you never know where the ball is going or if Mark will just curl up into a ball. Mark`s accuracy isn't consistent at all. If all the receiver drops were thrown right at the numbers or in a the perfect spot for the receiver then Id be blaming it on the receivers too. But that isn't the case. Mark`s accuracy is literally shit. Very few of his throws are on target or even catch-able and those that are catch-able usually aren't in a spot that makes it easy for the receivers to catch.

How about coming to the realization that when the qb has one of the worst accuracy ratings in the NFL of all starting qbs for four years straight that it makes some sense that the starting qb is terrible. How about the fact that the truth is that Sanchez is screwing up the Jets.

And I still cant fathom why people live with the fantasy that Mark took this team tow the AFC Championship. That is fairy land sh*t. Any starting qb in the league would have went that far with the number one defense and number one rushing game. Grossman sure as hell was sh*t too and what did he do in the Superbowl when the Bears needed him to win by his arm? He threw like 6 interceptions.

No one has come to realize that Mark hasn't won game against a winning team since the Jets lost the AFC Championship game. And against every winning team he has had to use his arm to win his stats have been sh*t and he has looked like sh*t.
So Mark has great games against bad teams...big f*cking deal. If he cant even look good against a good team with time enough to make good throws like he has then his is a sh*t qb period.


Hell lets all just go more into fantasy land with more excuses and say that all these four years don't count because since Mark only played one year of college this is like his rookie year in the NFL and next year will be his sophomore slump so he will look amazing in another 3 years.

All I can say if Mark looks like crap against Houston he will have a new nick name from me and that is all I will refer him as .....Schotty became known as shitty. So if Mark has a bad game next week Mark is Shitchez to me from now on.I still believe Mark made Schotty look even worse.Now Mark is doing it to Sporano.Yet Pennington had a a great year under Sporano and Bradford seems to be doing ok under Schotty. But hey Mark looked good against Buffalo and we always have that.


Is it ever going to be Marks fault????
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