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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 09:33 PM

Well it's a quarter way through the season, and the Jets are up in the air. We're .500 and 2-0 in the division, that's the good news. The bad news: everything else. I'm here to fix this shit. Sit down and shut up.

OFFENSE:

1. Kill that Tebow talk. Tim Tebow will not improve on whatever weaknesses Sanchez is displaying. He cannot duplicate the running success he's had in Denver and at this point, he shouldn't get more than 3-5 plays a game.

2. Sanchez needs someone to throw to. It looks as if Holmes is going to miss a chunk of time with his currently undiagnosed boo boo and it will be a while until we see Hill as well. Keller should be back soon, but Keller and Kerley won't keep the defenses up at night. We have absolutely no depth at WR as Schillens, Turner and Gates are terrible. The Jets in their petulance to take chances, are probably looking at TO and Ocho... which is a mistake.

The easiest way to fix our offense (ei move the fuckin ball) is to put the running game on the backburner and go no huddle. The pass protection is decent enough to allow Sanchez 3 seconds at a time, which is more than enough for any WR to run a dig, a short curl or a slant. That's right, go back to West Coast. One name out there that no one mentioned so far is Chansi Stucky. He's a FA and he's basically the same type of player as Kerley. You take the two of them, Keller and either Hill (when healthy) or Schillens and what you have is a deep threat to keep the safety at bay, a TE to clear out the middle and two quick guys that can get 7-12 yards a play every play. Throw Powell or McKnight into the backfield and boom, instant speed that will keep the defenses from blitzing. I wouldn't even mind if we go shotgun half the time. Spread the defense out and keep it going 7 yards at a pop. It almost worked with Pennington except the defenses never had to worry about the deep pass so we played against the safeties 8 yards from the LOS.

I know what everyone is going to say "Oh but Sanchez is inaccurate". Horseshit. He can thread the needle when he trusts the WR. Look at how he performed against the Fins in OT. Putting the game on his shoulders from the start instead of waiting for the running game to fail and the defense to get tired makes more sense. Besides, our offense actually look the most effective in a 2 minute drill. Lets see if we can maintain that pace on every possession.

3. Diversify, diversify, diversify. Our offense so far has been bland. We need to run some 2 TE sets, even some 3 TE sets. Lets see what Hayden Smith can do in the red zone. Lets try to run more screens and end arounds with McKnight. Stop running up the middle every 2nd and short.

DEFENSE:

1. Coples needs to be on the field as often as possible. He was the only standout against the 9ers and he looks to be the most athletic player on our front 7.

2. Pace, BT, Harris and Scott CANNOT be on the field at the same time. That's an average of about a 5.8 40 between the 4 of them. Harris is obviously the bawse of that unit and Pace is our best OLB technique wise so they should see the same amount of snaps. We need to play more Maybin, Davis and McIntyre. The speed that they can infuse into this unit is worth the loss of "experience" when they're on the field. Maybin is obviously a pass rushing specialist, so he should basically come in on passing downs. McIntyre played the run as well as BT and he got to the QB, so he can be used any down. Davis we've only seen on special teams so we should ease him in on passing downs (him and Maybin blitzing from the same side will be fun to watch).

3. Blitz. Blitz the ever living shit out of everyone. Just go for it. Without Revis, we won't be able to shut down the pass anyway so we might as well use the Giants formula of "hit him often enough and you only have to cover for 3 seconds). Its no coincidence that when we were the highest blitzing team in the NFL, we went to the AFC Championship games. When we stopped, we stopped winning. With the additions of Landry and Bell, we have a quasi-LBer that can do what Smitty never could: get the to the QB and actually bring him down. Seriously Rex, throw the kitchen sink at them.

4. Wilson cannot be on an island against the opposing team's fastest WR. Manningham would've had 3 TDs if Alex Smith had any touch on his throws. Cro shouldn't be on the teams most physical WR. Why Cro wasn't covering Manningham and Wilson wasn't on Crabtree is beyond me.


That's it for now.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 10:28 PM

They could look at Plaxico or TO at WR for this year

Play Coples all 3 downs on defense

Hope the free agents DB's do the job on the back end

Front Seven must tackle better
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:20 AM

I say fire Rex and Tannenbaum and totally start over
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

I like defense # 3 . but we got this way because Rex had to give into the way the game is expected to be played today . stats don't count but only the W if you are a sound team paying sound football which we are not now.
I thought of Jco a few weeks ago because he is well Jco but he would never come back now. stucky or a guy like that is fine . burress is a safe bet . your thinking is good but it should not have been because we are in this position it should always be in the offensive playbook . We have no bread and butter play with Mark .
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:10 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 02 October 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

Well it's a quarter way through the season, and the Jets are up in the air. We're .500 and 2-0 in the division, that's the good news. The bad news: everything else. I'm here to fix this shit. Sit down and shut up.

OFFENSE:

1. Kill that Tebow talk. Tim Tebow will not improve on whatever weaknesses Sanchez is displaying. He cannot duplicate the running success he's had in Denver and at this point, he shouldn't get more than 3-5 plays a game.

2. Sanchez needs someone to throw to. It looks as if Holmes is going to miss a chunk of time with his currently undiagnosed boo boo and it will be a while until we see Hill as well. Keller should be back soon, but Keller and Kerley won't keep the defenses up at night. We have absolutely no depth at WR as Schillens, Turner and Gates are terrible. The Jets in their petulance to take chances, are probably looking at TO and Ocho... which is a mistake.

The easiest way to fix our offense (ei move the fuckin ball) is to put the running game on the backburner and go no huddle. The pass protection is decent enough to allow Sanchez 3 seconds at a time, which is more than enough for any WR to run a dig, a short curl or a slant. That's right, go back to West Coast. One name out there that no one mentioned so far is Chansi Stucky. He's a FA and he's basically the same type of player as Kerley. You take the two of them, Keller and either Hill (when healthy) or Schillens and what you have is a deep threat to keep the safety at bay, a TE to clear out the middle and two quick guys that can get 7-12 yards a play every play. Throw Powell or McKnight into the backfield and boom, instant speed that will keep the defenses from blitzing. I wouldn't even mind if we go shotgun half the time. Spread the defense out and keep it going 7 yards at a pop. It almost worked with Pennington except the defenses never had to worry about the deep pass so we played against the safeties 8 yards from the LOS.

I know what everyone is going to say "Oh but Sanchez is inaccurate". Horseshit. He can thread the needle when he trusts the WR. Look at how he performed against the Fins in OT. Putting the game on his shoulders from the start instead of waiting for the running game to fail and the defense to get tired makes more sense. Besides, our offense actually look the most effective in a 2 minute drill. Lets see if we can maintain that pace on every possession.

3. Diversify, diversify, diversify. Our offense so far has been bland. We need to run some 2 TE sets, even some 3 TE sets. Lets see what Hayden Smith can do in the red zone. Lets try to run more screens and end arounds with McKnight. Stop running up the middle every 2nd and short.

DEFENSE:

1. Coples needs to be on the field as often as possible. He was the only standout against the 9ers and he looks to be the most athletic player on our front 7.

2. Pace, BT, Harris and Scott CANNOT be on the field at the same time. That's an average of about a 5.8 40 between the 4 of them. Harris is obviously the bawse of that unit and Pace is our best OLB technique wise so they should see the same amount of snaps. We need to play more Maybin, Davis and McIntyre. The speed that they can infuse into this unit is worth the loss of "experience" when they're on the field. Maybin is obviously a pass rushing specialist, so he should basically come in on passing downs. McIntyre played the run as well as BT and he got to the QB, so he can be used any down. Davis we've only seen on special teams so we should ease him in on passing downs (him and Maybin blitzing from the same side will be fun to watch).

3. Blitz. Blitz the ever living shit out of everyone. Just go for it. Without Revis, we won't be able to shut down the pass anyway so we might as well use the Giants formula of "hit him often enough and you only have to cover for 3 seconds). Its no coincidence that when we were the highest blitzing team in the NFL, we went to the AFC Championship games. When we stopped, we stopped winning. With the additions of Landry and Bell, we have a quasi-LBer that can do what Smitty never could: get the to the QB and actually bring him down. Seriously Rex, throw the kitchen sink at them.

4. Wilson cannot be on an island against the opposing team's fastest WR. Manningham would've had 3 TDs if Alex Smith had any touch on his throws. Cro shouldn't be on the teams most physical WR. Why Cro wasn't covering Manningham and Wilson wasn't on Crabtree is beyond me.


That's it for now.


Your scheme is so whacked that I love it. But please don't kid yourself by believing Sanchez is an accurate passer. He is far from that. Of ocurse every QB in the league can hit receivers if they have all day and the plays are designed to have the receiver either stopped or10 yards away. Sanchez does not have the consistency to hit receivers on the run by throwing to a spot downfield. I still believe McElroy has more talent given the chance.

As for speed, it would be fun to see Davis out there. I guess we have to assume he isn't talented enough. If speed was the only thing we could draft based solely on that. It does seem clear that Tanny is not an astute drafter. We almost never have a real playmaker come out of the draft like a Pierre Paul or Victor Cruz. Coples looks to have a lot of talent but they don't play him.

One thing is for sure. If we play our normal style of football we aren't going to win more than5 games. So why not try your system. At least we would get Powell at RB instead of Greene who is 2 yards and out.
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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:29 PM

Certainly agree with the need to be aggressive on defense. Without Revis coverage was bound to be much weaker, and we didn't help Wilson by getting zero pressure on Alex Smith other than a pair of sacks in quick succession during the first half. When you have a player with little starting experience at one of the toughest positions on the field to play, you need to do all you can to help him. Sure he may get beat if we blitz and can't give him safety help, but I'd rather take those kinds of risks and be in a better position to potentially force a turnover off a sack-fumble or pick because the throw was rushed.
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