[Jetsman05]

Mr_Jet, on 05 October 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

We'll see how much better shape they will be in after a couple of years of Brian Schottenheimer. And there is no proof yet the Sam Bradford will be any better than Sanchez is right now.

Fair enough.

But I love especially what they're doing on defense, along with Bradford's undeniable (go ahead, deny it) potential. They love their RB's, they have solid WR's, etc. And the biggest plus is the man in charge. A solid HC, who will keep them competitive.

[Mr_Jet]

Jetsman05, on 05 October 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Fair enough.

But I love especially what they're doing on defense, along with Bradford's undeniable (go ahead, deny it) potential. They love their RB's, they have solid WR's, etc. And the biggest plus is the man in charge. A solid HC, who will keep them competitive.

I know that I'd much rather have Stephen Jackson than Shonn Greene. 50% of Jackson is still better than 100% of Greene.

[Jetsman05]

Mr_Jet, on 05 October 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

I know that I'd much rather have Stephen Jackson than Shonn Greene. 50% of Jackson is still better than 100% of Greene.

And they let Jackson change his contract so he can opt out next season - They love Daryl Richardson and Isiah Pead.

[A1elbow]

Mr_Jet, on 05 October 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

And that's what it comes down to you never liked him in the first place. Doesn't matter what he did or didn't do, he was always the wrong person for the job. Just like Mangini and Edwards and probably the next guy after Rex Ryan.

Well you can go live in the world of misery. I'm just saying I'm going to wait for more than just four games before i start whining and saying it's time to fire everybody (as if that would do any good).

Sort of how you always think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so since you already decided how I think and thought you can feel superior to me?

Check your facts, no one was more disgusted by our firing of Mangini than me. Edwards sucked.

[Mr_Jet]

A1elbow, on 05 October 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

Sort of how you always think you're right and everyone else is wrong, so since you already decided how I think and thought you can feel superior to me?

Check your facts, no one was more disgusted by our firing of Mangini than me. Edwards sucked.

Sort of like how you do the same thing? This is like the pot calling the kettle black here. I'm not the only person around here that can come off as a little sanctimonious at times. Because you can definitely give me a run for my money in that department.

What you thought of Mangini and Edwards is irrelevant considering my point is they both were shown the door just like Rex Ryan could be after this season. Then a new guy will get hired and he'll be gone 4 years from now. This franchise has had no stability, yet it somehow has had more success than some other teams. That's why I'd rather be a Jets fan than a Chiefs fan or Bills or Dolphins fan. They are worse teams and that was the original question.

But when it comes to Rex Ryan I will not judge his performance as HC THIS season based on just 4 out of 16 games. And I damn sure won't factor in my personal feelings towards the man either. To hell with my personal feelings for the man I just want him to be successful, because that means the Jets are successful. If he isn't successful after more than just 4 games this season, then he can be shown the door just like Edwards and Mangini were.

[Jetsman05]

He wasn't successful after 16 games last season either.

[Jetsfan0099]

Jetsman05, on 06 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

He wasn't successful after 16 games last season either.

You said that Fisher was a good coach, hes only had 6 winning seasons out of 17 years as a coach.

[Jetsman05]

Jetsfan0099, on 06 October 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

You said that Fisher was a good coach, hes only had 6 winning seasons out of 17 years as a coach.

I said he was a solid coach.

One who doesn't have the baggage (no pun intended) that Rex carries with him. Completely different when you have a HC who is not only losing, but also continually (I'll give him credit he's realized he's not helping himself by talking) makes the organization look stupid.

We're routinely unprepared, undisciplined and lacking adjustments.

Jeff Fisher pisses on Rex Ryan as a HC.

[Mr_Jet]

Jetsman05, on 06 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

He wasn't successful after 16 games last season either.

Well if we're talking about past seasons he was in 2009 and 2010.

[Jetsman05]

Mr_Jet, on 06 October 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Well if we're talking about past seasons he was in 2009 and 2010.

Yeah, lets skip the last season and go back 2 seasons.

That matters a ton.

[Mr_Jet]

Jetsman05, on 06 October 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Yeah, lets skip the last season and go back 2 seasons.

That matters a ton.

And how does what happened in 2011 have anything to do with this season? 2011 is just as relevant (or irrelevant) as 2010 is.

[A1elbow]

Mr_Jet, on 06 October 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

And how does what happened in 2011 have anything to do with this season? 2011 is just as relevant (or irrelevant) as 2010 is.

The team has gotten worse and less cohesive under Ryan. Nuff said. This isn't just what he has done, counting all three years. The Jets lost to the Colts in the AFC championship game because of injuries in game. The next year they came out 100% flat in the first half and were dominated by Pitt. Last year the team totally fell apart and this year the team looks worse. Want to wait to make that determination? Fine, but I won't because I thought we stunk heading into the season based on my objective opinion, and not just because I'm a Debbie Downer (what the Superfans want to label anyone who doesn't predict the team to go 19-0).

The Keller injury was unfortunate since he actually contributes, but the Holmes injury doesn't mean squat. I'd take Hill (whatever is going on with him) and Kerley with Keller over Holmes and Hill and Kerley. Revis is the sucker punch. Ryan has built this defense to be dependent on the D's best two players, and in particular Revis, a player he didn't have any part in bringing in. Now, with almost solely players that have been added under Ryan (and no one can tell me they don't honestly think Ryan approved or had the majority say in what defensive players came in) we'll see what this defense is made of. But so far they don't stop the run and Wilson is inadequate to stepping in as a starter, so I don't have much hope there.

If your performance declines, your boss notices. Factor in earlier performance, but most jobs base evaluations quarterly or yearly, so let's not act like the NFL shouldn't be any different.