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HarlemHxC814 Icon : (26 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) I'm just glad there aren't anymore greedy bastards on the team to deal with
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (26 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) Or street thugs
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (26 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) f*** a CB problem
Jetsman05 Icon : (26 August 2014 - 03:49 PM) need 1 more in the fantasy league
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:33 PM) Dimitri suspended for the rest of preseason. I'm sorry, I know we are bone dry at corner these days but they should have cut this prick on the spot . He's going to get torched regardless this year and I'd rather cut ties with any potential cancerous attitutudes before the season even starts.
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:34 PM) Where I come from you take responsibility for your actions. Not showing up for a game is cowardly and selfish. f*** him
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 08:36 PM) Also he doesn't know what the acronym AWOL means so he's also an idiot. No wonder he's never been anything but a journeyman corner is this league.
azjetfan Icon : (26 August 2014 - 09:11 PM) So how do you really feel?
RetireChrebet Icon : (26 August 2014 - 11:18 PM) I think my last three posts pretty much summarize how I feel haha. He's making 1.5 mill this year and no call no shows because his feeling are hurt. Would rather you play corner azjetfan than this guy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 08:12 AM) Need 1 more for FFB!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 08:39 AM) Stephen Hill is going to get cut, guy sucks. Greg Salas is a better football player and deserves a spot over him
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 11:27 AM) So when do we show up to 115s house with pitchforks, tar and feathers?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 12:03 PM) i'd rather see idzik go then hill. fire idzik
bleedsgreen Icon : (27 August 2014 - 12:21 PM) Hill is such a disappointment. I really was hopping for so much when he scored 2 TDs his first game
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:11 PM) We need to get the J-E-T-S chant back this year to the way it was
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:13 PM) idk if any of u guys went to any of the games last year[Im sure some of u did] but im not a fan of the drumline leading the chant
MikeGangGree... Icon : (27 August 2014 - 03:14 PM) its not the same as 70,000 people doing it during every kickoff and after every score
Jetsfan115 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 05:43 PM) injuries and poor QB play aren't good for a WR to develop
Jetsman05 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 06:08 PM) 115 and Hill. Lol!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (27 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) the excuses, Hill is just a terrible football player. no debate, just a fact. guy is soft as shit as well
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:43 AM) right cause all our other WRs were lighting it up
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:04 PM) Hill is useless bro lol
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) All I can say I streamed this game and if anyone thinks about recording it from NFL Network at 4pm Eastern Saturday.....DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:07 PM) This game was pure sh1t. Even though it was back up players the Jets got totally destroyed in this game. After seeing this game Im really worried about the Jets starting core because these backup guys looked like they shouldn't have even been on the field at all. I just hope the starters are 3000 times better than these guys that played in game 4
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) The Jets got horse f*cked by the Eagles in this game.
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:24 PM) we are hosed in the secondary
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:26 PM) we need to cut this assclown patterson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (Today, 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
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Strategy In Draft May Leave Jets Short Of Depth

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

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Strategy in Draft May Leave Jets Short of Depth

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Behind the desk in Mike Tannenbaum’s office, a three-sided whiteboard hangs on the wall. It is loaded with magnets, one for each player on the Jets’ roster — a visual representation of the underperforming and the overachieving, the injured and the fit, and everybody in between.

In truth, that board is more than a depth chart. For Tannenbaum, it is a daily puzzle to solve and a stark reminder of the decisions he has made during his six and a half years as general manager.

Only two current Jets, Sione Po’uha and Brandon Moore, predate Tannenbaum’s tenure, which began in February 2006. Everyone else has arrived under his watch, a team created in his image, built to his, and Coach Rex Ryan’s, specifications. Not long ago, they reached two straight A.F.C. championship games. But now the Jets, after a disastrous finish to 2011, are reeling again, even at 2-2. They are struggling to score, pass, run, defend, tackle and keep their fans’ interest, which waned in the second half of a 34-0 home defeat last week to San Francisco.

Their flaws — a paucity of offensive playmakers, a meager pass rush and an erratic quarterback — are no less obvious in October than they were in August or June or April, long before season-ending injuries claimed Darrelle Revis and Santonio Holmes. At the Jets’ season-ending news conference in January, Tannenbaum vowed that he would field a better team. He was asked in an interview last week whether he had fulfilled that mission.

“Absolutely,” Tannenbaum said. “I still think we have a chance to accomplish everything we want to.”

That is, the Super Bowl. The expectations have not changed, even if by any realistic measure they should. On Monday night, the Jets will play undefeated Houston with Clyde Gates, Lex Hilliard, Konrad Reuland and Jason Hill in line to play significant roles on offense. None were with the team in training camp.

Roster-depleting injuries are inevitable, and the Jets — with Holmes, Revis, Dustin Keller and Stephen Hill — have endured a disproportionate share. But there are teams who seem better equipped to overcome them.

“I think there are some teams whose last eight or nine guys are pretty darn strong,” said Daniel Jeremiah, a former scout for three N.F.L. teams who now works for NFL Network. “I don’t think this is the case here.”

When last season ended, the Jets were like a house in disrepair. They needed to fix the boiler (right tackle), paint the walls (proven receiver) and refinish the floors (impact pass rusher). They wound up spackling holes, replacing the well-worn carpet (safety upgrades with LaRon Landry and Yeremiah Bell) and buying an HD television for a guest bedroom (Tim Tebow). However much the Jets adore Tebow and value his versatility, so far he has been little more than a decoy and a distraction.

“I’ll give him a grade of incomplete,” Tannenbaum said. “Let’s have that discussion in December.”

A discussion could have been held about Wayne Hunter’s poor performance last December, when the Eagles exposed him. The Jets misjudged his ability to replace Damien Woody, and it took eight months — seven, counting their failed trade for Jeff Otah — before the situation became so untenable that, after allowing two and a half sacks in a preseason game against the Giants, Hunter was shipped to St. Louis.

Realizing that he needed to infuse the offense with younger, faster players, Tannenbaum drafted Stephen Hill, longing for packages that would include Hill, Holmes, Keller, Jeremy Kerley and, at running back, Bilal Powell or Joe McKnight.

By failing to add an established No. 2 complement to Holmes, the Jets heaped responsibility on Hill, who was rarely thrown to in a triple-option offense. Hill had a strong debut, but before being sidelined by a hamstring injury, he dropped two passes in Miami, including a potential touchdown.

“The lack of explosive players at the skill positions on offense, that’s what jumps out at me,” Jeremiah said. “You’d like to have one dynamic weapon on the outside, which I don’t necessarily think they have. You’d also like to have a running back capable of hitting a home run, and they don’t have that.”

That back would be Shonn Greene, who has been disappointing this season. Tannenbaum moved up to take Greene in the third round in 2009, an aggressive strategy that helped him select Keller, Revis, Mark Sanchez and David Harris but one that contrasted sharply with the methodology that Tannenbaum lauded as a senior at the University of Massachusetts.

There, he wrote a paper — which earned an A, according to his professor, Lisa Pike Masteralexis — exploring how to construct a championship team. Analyzing the 49ers, Tannenbaum asserted that Bill Walsh’s preference for trading back to amass a high volume of selections built San Francisco’s core.

Tannenbaum favors quality over quantity, often using his picks to trade up — or to acquire players with troubled pasts: Antonio Cromartie, Braylon Edwards, Holmes — while filling the back of his roster with practice-squad signings (Austin Howard) and waiver claims (Gates and Reuland). It can be a risky tactic. Of the 65 players on the Jets’ roster as of Friday, 26 were acquired through the draft, the ninth-lowest percentage in the N.F.L., according to the Elias Sports Bureau. “They have not, in my estimation, done a very good job of selecting players,” said the former Dallas executive Gil Brandt, who analyzes college players and the draft for NFL.com. Assessing their strategy, Brandt mentioned Bill Belichick of New England: “Why do you think Belichick trades and gets so many draft picks? Would you rather have two chances to win the lottery or one?”

Tannenbaum has presided over seven drafts. The first three, with Eric Mangini as coach, produced a prominent bust in Vernon Gholston but also cornerstones like Revis, Nick Mangold and D’Brickashaw Ferguson, and valuable pieces like Brad Smith, Eric Smith and Leon Washington.

In Ryan’s four drafts, the Jets have made 21 picks — tied with New Orleans for fewest in the N.F.L. Nineteen of the league’s 32 teams drafted a Pro Bowl player in that time, with three (Packers, Patriots, Steelers) taking multiple, but the Jets are not one of them. None of their players acquired for picks have been so honored, either.

Recent selections like Muhammad Wilkerson, Kerley and Powell have revealed promise, but it is unclear whether their most prominent pick, Sanchez, will ever perform at a level worthy of being chosen fifth over all. Vlad Ducasse has yet to validate his second-round grade, and although the first-round pick Quinton Coples has fared capably at defensive end, he has yet to register the impact of Chandler Jones of New England, selected five spots later, who was named the A.F.C.’s top defensive rookie in September.

Since Ryan’s arrival, the Jets have added several players with character issues, believing that he can reform them. It worked with Cromartie but not Holmes, whose petulance created a locker room rift. The Jets aspire to squeeze every drop of production out of a player before discarding him, though they have not always found suitable replacements for players considered replaceable: a dependable blocking tight end like Ben Hartsock; a reliable possession receiver like Jerricho Cotchery; a vertical threat like Edwards, though Hill is a raw approximation.

“The best organizations that show sustainable success are the ones that can make the hard decisions,” Tannenbaum said.

When Tannenbaum examines that whiteboard, he sees the results of those decisions. It is only going to get harder.


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