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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 01:47 PM

I love Rex but if continue to lose, How long before we start hearing rumors about.. Bill Cowher
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 02:14 PM

I would love to hire Bill Cowher, but I say the chances he would come here are low...
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 04:17 PM

Come on ride the train the choo choo cha'rain!!!
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:01 PM

I like Rex but I'm also starting to go against him now and wanting him gone.
Rex is to much about loyalty to his players and either refuses to or takes to long to make tough decisions because of that loyalty. A head coach cant be loyal to his players. Loyalty is great and all but not for a head coach of a sports team. If Rex cant put a side his deep sense of loyalty then he shouldn't be a head coach anywhere.

Now I dont know if Rex was just speaking with passion or if he was totally serious and means it but one recent statement basically showed me what he is about.

Now you all know I'm not a Sanchez fan but I dont care if Rex made the statement about any player on the team, Mangold,Keller,Revis,Greene, Ducasse etc...

Basically for those that dont know...Rex made the statement that Sanchez is going to be the starting qb as long as he is here head coaching in NY.

As a head coach you never make a statement saying this or that player is going to be my starter as long as I'm here. That is total idiocy. So basically Rex`s career is being bet on a player and if it cost him his career then so be it.

If Rex is serious about a statement like that he is incapable of being a head coach because no head coach can ever be loyal no matter who the player is. Its their job to win. For instance ...The 49rs trading Montana, Cowboys trading Emmit Smith, Favre and also teams basically forcing players to retire like the Vikings Chris carter, Miami`s Marino,etc...

Just saying no matter how great a player is to a team even if they are a future HOF`r as a coach you have to make hard decisions and you never involve loyalty even if you love the player like family.

I'm not so sure Cowher wouldn't come here. Pittsburgh is a pretty rough place and they are used to winning. Im not really a big fan of him and I still believe he only got his Superbowls due to Rapelesberger being his qb but I will say one thing. the Steelers almost always had a playoff spot with him as the coach and the man wasn't afraid to do whatever was necessary including benching players if they weren't producing.

If Rex has loyalty issues then he needs to gtfo of NY.
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Posted 11 October 2012 - 08:16 PM

What Ryan says is meaningless, and people should realise that I don't mean that in a I-disregard-what-he-says way, but that anytime he says something in support of someone, it is undermined by later actions. Schottenheimer, Eric Smith, Hunter, etc. All guys Ryan said he believed in and who almost immediately were gotten rid of. He is a clown, a buffoon and he does nothing for this team someone else, not anyone else, but others wouldn't do better. Sometimes people repeatedly get passed up for promotions and it isn't fair, but a lot of the time there is a reason for it.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:17 PM

Bill Cowher would not be doing a better job than Rex. The difference would be Bill would keep his mouth shut. Bill was an average coach that was fortunate enough to land a job with a very good franchise. The franchise improved after he left. We do not have the players to be a contender. Very little talent and none in the important positions.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 12 October 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Bill Cowher would not be doing a better job than Rex. The difference would be Bill would keep his mouth shut. Bill was an average coach that was fortunate enough to land a job with a very good franchise. The franchise improved after he left. We do not have the players to be a contender. Very little talent and none in the important positions.


How did the franchise improve with Cowher leaving? All I see is that Tomlin won with Cowher's team and got to enjoy Roethlisberger hitting his prime years, if Cowher had Roethlisberger at QB for his coaching career he would have won more than just 1 SB.

Facts are he has a .623 winning percentage, 149-90, a .571 winning percentage in the playoffs, 12-9. And he has had mediocre QBs most of his career.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 09:56 PM

Cowher would absolutely coach better and would represent the franchise better.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:03 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 12 October 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

How did the franchise improve with Cowher leaving? All I see is that Tomlin won with Cowher's team and got to enjoy Roethlisberger hitting his prime years, if Cowher had Roethlisberger at QB for his coaching career he would have won more than just 1 SB.

Facts are he has a .623 winning percentage, 149-90, a .571 winning percentage in the playoffs, 12-9. And he has had mediocre QBs most of his career.


And when Cohwer took over it was Chuck Nolls team which he did little with. Before that it was Bill Austin So what. The fact is the team has done better without him. The Steelers FO knows how to build a football team and how to win year in and year out. Tomlin could retire tomorrow and the next coach would win too. Stats represent the team not a single person. If he was a HC of more than one team I may give Bill more credit. He was just in a good place having solid built teams in an era where QBs were not as important until the end of his career.

The difference between the Jets and the Steelers is way more than whats on the field. They just do things right. We on the other hand sign guys like Calvin Pace to a big contract as a FA because we were scared of MIA and Parcells getting him. We sign Bart Scott to a monster contract when we had Eric Barton on the cheap. Trade draft picks for Brett Favre to come play here for a year ETC... If Woody would stop trying always to be in the headlines and just draft well and sign solid players and follow teams blueprints like the Steelers, Ravens, and Packers we would do better. Woody lets the Media and fan base drive the bus instead of building a team. He thinks he can use smoke and mirrors.
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Posted 12 October 2012 - 11:05 PM

View PostA1elbow, on 12 October 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

Cowher would absolutely coach better and would represent the franchise better.


I agree with represent the team better. I just never really thought he was a great coach. He was good not great.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 12:47 AM

Bill Cowher is overrated. Chuck Noll had success with the Steelers before him and Mike Tomlin after him. The Steelers success has more to do with the Rooneys and the front office IMO. Is he a better head coach than Rex Ryan, he likely is. But I wouldn't look at him as some coaching genius either. I mean I think if you put Rex as the Steelers HC from 1992-2006 he would've won a Super Bowl at some point too. I don't see Bill Cohwer as a Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells franchise changing HC. Cowher just had the luxury of having great ownership, a front office that has a great eye for talent, and a devoted fanbase in a small market. There were some years in the mid-90s when the Steelers were pretty mediocre and we already know we don't have the most patient fanbase in the world and the New York media is much more harsh than the Pittsburgh media is.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 05:08 AM

View Postazjetfan, on 12 October 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

I agree with represent the team better. I just never really thought he was a great coach. He was good not great.


I agree, Cowher is just a respectably above average coach. And that is better than a lousy coach.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 11:53 AM

View PostA1elbow, on 13 October 2012 - 05:08 AM, said:

I agree, Cowher is just a respectably above average coach. And that is better than a lousy coach.

So are you saying Rex is a lousy coach?
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:16 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 13 October 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

So are you saying Rex is a lousy coach?


Head coach? Yes. DC? He's good.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:36 AM

View PostMr_Jet, on 13 October 2012 - 06:47 AM, said:

Bill Cowher is overrated. Chuck Noll had success with the Steelers before him and Mike Tomlin after him. The Steelers success has more to do with the Rooneys and the front office IMO. Is he a better head coach than Rex Ryan, he likely is. But I wouldn't look at him as some coaching genius either. I mean I think if you put Rex as the Steelers HC from 1992-2006 he would've won a Super Bowl at some point too. I don't see Bill Cohwer as a Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells franchise changing HC. Cowher just had the luxury of having great ownership, a front office that has a great eye for talent, and a devoted fanbase in a small market. There were some years in the mid-90s when the Steelers were pretty mediocre and we already know we don't have the most patient fanbase in the world and the New York media is much more harsh than the Pittsburgh media is.


I don't think the owner, the current head coach or any prospective future head coach should concern themselves too much with the patience of the fanbase or the reactions of the local media when it comes to making decisions. The other team in town certainly haven't been pre-occupied with media talk or boos raining from the stands at certain junctures and sticking with Tom Coughlin and riding through the rough years with Eli Manning has helped deliver two Super Bowl titles. In reality, only the dynamic within the organisation should figure in their minds when it comes to finding answers to questions such as who to start at QB and who to employ as head coach.
The reason why those teams are successful for a long time is because they make rational rather than rash decisions. Too often in recent years the Jets have done the opposite, whether it be trading for Favre for a one year fix, sending a pair of draft picks for Tim Tebow. I'd rather those with power make a reasoned decision at the end of this season on whether to go ahead with Rex or to pursue other options. But I don't want that decision to be made with haste or seemingly in reaction to media talk.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostSmedsthejet, on 14 October 2012 - 11:36 AM, said:

I don't think the owner, the current head coach or any prospective future head coach should concern themselves too much with the patience of the fanbase or the reactions of the local media when it comes to making decisions.

I agree 100%. However when the point of owning a team is to make money (which is the problem) instead of winning you worry about a fickle fan base who either stops being a fan and or stops purchasing items (profit).



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The other team in town certainly haven't been pre-occupied with media talk or boos raining from the stands at certain junctures and sticking with Tom Coughlin and riding through the rough years with Eli Manning has helped deliver two Super Bowl titles. In reality, only the dynamic within the organisation should figure in their minds when it comes to finding answers to questions such as who to start at QB and who to employ as head coach.
The reason why those teams are successful for a long time is because they make rational rather than rash decisions. Too often in recent years the Jets have done the opposite, whether it be trading for Favre for a one year fix, sending a pair of draft picks for Tim Tebow. I'd rather those with power make a reasoned decision at the end of this season on whether to go ahead with Rex or to pursue other options. But I don't want that decision to be made with haste or seemingly in reaction to media talk.

I hate to say it but the Giants have a bigger loyal core fan base. Of course they have their fair share of bandwagoners and what not but they have a huge core fan base. I dont know if anyone has done any research on this but I bet the core fans of the Giants have a higher income level as well. The Giants do not have the same needs as the Jets. This is not even taking in account any debts the Jets have. Keep in mind The Giants have been family owned since...... Where as Woody bought the Jets and more than likely still has debt due to the purchase. I guess what I am saying is even though the two teams share a city and stadium their needs are very different for many reasons.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:26 PM

Cowher is absolutely overrated. He rode Dick LeBeau's defense to fame. He made the playoffs 10 of 15 years. Okay. Nice. In a division where he had to play Cleveland and Cincinati 4 games a year during their down years. Why do you think he hasn't been able to be hired anywhere since leaving Pittsburgh? People HAVE approached him sure, BUT he basically demands to be the GM at the same time as being HC & teams know better than to allow him to do that. Remember the Kordell Stewart experiment? Do you really want that here? I thought we already tried that with Brad Smith and it went NOWHERE so fast, he never became a starter.
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