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azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (09 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (09 October 2015 - 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) jets and giants players hang out all the time
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:29 AM) i'm sure they dont care lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:24 AM) well bills won, we need a win this week to stay inn 2nd
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:25 AM) at least miami is pretty much done but we have to compete with NE and buffalo still
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:26 AM) as santana said, it's probably all in fun. most of these guys in the NFL are friends with players form other teams. I'm sure some jets/giants players are friends with each other
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Offense Has Missed Keller

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:50 AM


Jets' offense has sorely missed tight end Dustin Keller

In his mind’s eye, Dustin Keller is stationed in the slot and, by design, he is running a post pattern on the upcoming play. The receiver outside of him is running the same route, only deeper. The ball is spotted in the middle of the field and each of the receivers have a man covering them while a safety sits overhead.

As he continues with the hypothetical, Keller explains that he is not the primary receiver on this play, but that he is about to help break it open — an example that has often played out in reality over the last three seasons, showing why he is one of Mark Sanchez’s most reliable targets and why his absence has had such an effect on the Jets offense.

“Normally I would take my angle to make myself open,” Keller said. “But there, I’ll angle it just inside (the safety’s) shoulder so it grabs his attention away from where the ball needs to go.”

It took him a little more than a year with Sanchez to learn that creating opportunity for others is just as valuable as a reception, and that enduring a double team can be a weapon.

Keller said he now views it as part of his job description, one that has been responsible for a large portion of a functioning Jets offense. Of Mark Sanchez’s 26 touchdowns last season, Keller directly effected 15 of them, based on a coach’s film view of every play.

Whether it was catching the touchdown (five), drawing a double-team on the same side of the field as the receiver who caught the touchdown (six), drawing a triple-team while another receiver was able to break completely free in the end zone (two), selling a play action to keep a linebacker from dropping into coverage (one) or altering a route to draw a corner out of covering the backfield (one), he managed to operate in strength behind the scenes.

“Somebody is either running to cover him, or he’s finding a way to get open,” Sanchez said. “That’s just the way he plays.”

Sunday, the Jets offense takes on the Colts looking to break from its recent spell of anemia.

Without Keller, who played just 29 snaps before injuring his hamstring in the season opener, the Jets (2-3) are 28th in total offense, averaging 284.4 yards per game. Over the past four weeks, he has bounced in and out of the team’s game plan as the hamstring seemed to heal, then quickly recoil again. Now he is finally expected to make his return.

Keller joked that Sanchez said he missed him. It’s easy to see why.

“A tight end that can play the way he plays or Jason Witten plays or Rob Gronkowski plays, they cause matchup problems for a defense,” offensive coordinator Tony Sparano said. “It’s a nightmare. You always have a guy on your scout team wearing that guy’s jersey.

“Do you put a corner over there? Do you put a safety over there? How do you match up with that guy?”

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Sparano had tried to answer that question as a head coach for the Dolphins, where Keller torched his Miami defense for 328 yards and four touchdowns over four seasons.

When he became the Jets offensive coordinator, Sparano took all the footage from last season and mashed together a cut-up of all the team’s plays that netted 20 or more yards.

He figured it was the best way to evaluate the quarterback and his relationship with certain receivers.

Keller was targeted the seventh-most times by a tight end in the league last year (109).

“The No. 1 guy on the team was Dustin,” Sparano said. “His role on the team is very valuable.”

Siphoning an offense through the tight end is a strategy Sparano likes because over time it opens things up for wide receivers to catch more passes.

Keller, though, began drawing attention rapidly to the point where his presence in the lineup was necessary — especially this season.

During his four-week absence, aside from the initial week after the injury, coaches would pencil him in as a starter and began to make alterations to the game plan based on how he was feeling.

As the hamstring condition continued to bother him, they would replace his name on the personnel board with one of three different options — Konrad Reuland, Jeff Cumberland or Dedrick Epps.

“You have to go under the assumption that Dustin is playing when you’re game planning,” Sparano said. “We need to put the game plan up accordingly, the ball has to run through guys like him.”

They miss that consistency and comfort that comes with knowing he’s on the field — only three passing touchdowns were completed when he was on the bench in 2011, according to an unofficial review of last season’s game film.

But more than anything, they miss the moments in action like the second Buffalo game last year when the team was trailing by seven points just before the half.

With Plaxico Burress split out to his left, Keller burst into his route with a linebacker in coverage and a strong safety spying overhead. When he hit the break on a 10-yard out, both of them followed and Drayton Florence, the cornerback covering Burress, flinched in Keller’s direction.

In that split second, Burress gained almost 2 yards of separation and hauled in the pass. Keller had his helmet off and was on his way to resting on the bench following the score when Burress finally got done receiving a horde of high-fives and hip checks.

“I know when there’s a route and I see certain coverage, I’ll turn from being the primary receiver to just making sure I grab a couple (defenders),” Keller said.

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On the sideline, Sparano looks for players he can trust to come off the field and speak to him like a coach; explain the things he cannot see in terms that can lend to crucial alterations.

Keller will talk about the leverage certain cornerbacks and safeties are playing and where there are openings on the field. He would keep up the practice during daily team workouts, coaching Sparano on what situations he’s more likely to get open looks.

“The good ones … they’re the guys who don’t come to you on the sidelines and say ‘I was open on that play,’ ” Sparano said. “I say this jokingly but everybody is open on every play. But he knows ‘I’m drawing this coverage and I can take two here.’ ”

But as the injury continued to gnaw at him, Keller stopped watching from the sidelines and came to the team suite. He would stop in at halftime and tell his teammates what he was seeing, but it wasn’t the same.

When the team was on the road, that feeling of being unplugged felt worse.

“It was miserable,” Keller said.

On the field the offense reflected as much. Defenses were able to pick and choose as an inexperienced corps of wide receivers tried to sort it all out.

They were missing the one player who could get them open even if they didn’t know it. The one who could make an offense flow by just being on the field.

“It’s huge,” Sanchez said when asked about Keller’s return. “Huge.”


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:45 AM

Continuity and consistency is what QB's need. Who the guy that has been with Sanchez the longest? KELLER. There's your continuity. Why do they work well together? because of the continuity they've practiced to be in unison on the field which leads to consistency.

The very thing this organization and fiddled and f*cked with since he's been here. The WR position which I think is the #1 top reason his play has been hurt by the most. Oh course him he and the offense misses Keller.


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Posted 17 October 2012 - 01:17 PM

When I saw Sanchez complete a pass for a 1st down, I was like, SWEET!....Then I saw it was Keller, I was like..oh shit, Keller is back!

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