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MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:50 PM) 4 turnovers and a Punt return TD
MikeGangGree... Icon : (05 October 2015 - 01:58 PM) If fitz can be smart with the ball and Marshall Decker and Ivory and stay healthy I think we can beat anyone
santana Icon : (05 October 2015 - 02:36 PM) http://www.sun-senti...1005-story.html
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:16 PM) I get it to a point why everyone is making a big deal about that missed call because difference between a win and a loss but I have never seen that call made in over 30 years of watching NFL so I guarantee that none of the fans , coaches or players new the rule. Yes the refs should know all the rules but they aren't computers and it's impossible for them to remember all the 1000's of rules. Especially an old rule no one but the officials ever heard of before. 22 new officials didn't help either. It took an old long time official now retired from officiating to tell the world the rule. Everyone and the officials will remember that rule from now on after all the media
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) Lions fans are b*tching like hell about it. We would be if it happened to us but I think it's a bad rule any way and should be scrapped. If the defense causes the offensive player to fumble in the end zone because the defense makes a good play I personally think it would be bullshit to give the fumbling team the ball back. If the ball went out of bounds on its own or if a player tried to recover it and the ball went out of the end zone it's not a penalty. Both cases are a touchback so I feel that giving the ball back to the offense that fumbled it because of the defense batting the ball out of the end zone if the offense recovered the ball it would be a td so it would be bullshit to give them the ball back because of a simple ball bat. Rule should really be changed
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) It's ok for the offense to deliberately take a safety to prevent a TD and only give up 2 points an benefit themselves so yeah I think it is an old out of date rule that should be thrown out. If the d makes a great play they shouldn't have to give the offense the ball back because of a stupid rule
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:41 PM


October 18, 2012 · by SportsGeek33 · in New York Jets
The talk of the town in New York has been the same for some time now, and for month-upon-month one question has hung heavily over the skyline like smog over Los Angeles: “What’s the big idea with Tim Tebow?”

To arrive at an understanding of how that question might best be answered by saying: “The idea is for him to change football as we know it,” let’s take a moment to head down south to Florida where we’ll find an oddly compelling story involving a High School mascot, Bill Parcells, Tony Sparano, and last but not least, a now all-but forgotten QB called Pat White.

But before we get into that particular tale, let’s first take a quick refresher course on what the Wildcat is and why it was ever designed in the first place.

Tebow and Sparano: Planning to revolutionize the Wildcat?
The key thing to understand when looking at the Wildcat (which is named after the mascot of La Centre High School in Washington state – its birthplace in 1998) is that in regular defensive schemes no defender is ever assigned to cover the QB. This simple fact gives a numerical edge to the defense in that it can normally use its 11 men to outnumber the opposition’s 10-plus-the-QB. Or to put it in very basic terms, under normal circumstances the defense always has a “spare man.”

Generally speaking, defense is all about math, and until a few years ago all defensive coordinators built their gameplans around the assumption that they would have the “spare man” at their disposal. By way of example, nobody would have expected a defense to consistently stop the run by having each defender beat his blocker – instead it would be more likely that the defense might walk a safety up to the line of scrimmage, thereby putting eight players in the box so as to gain a numerical advantage.

The sole purpose of the Wildcat was to wipe out this advantage by forcing the defense to assign a man to cover the QB, and this was achieved by simply having him and a WR swap places.

Hugh Wyatt – the pioneering former coach of the La Center High Wildcats
Immediately this gives the defense a headache – for example, if the CB who is covering the WR follows him as he lines up where the QB should be, there is now nobody out wide to cover the QB (who has effectively become a WR) and he will be literally wide open for a simple 8 to 10+ yard lob-and-catch on each down. But if the defender stays where he is, then not only is the recently moved WR unaccounted for, but the defense is also effectively wasting the CB by having him cover a ‘receiver’ who is really no threat at all!

Eventually defensive coordinators cottoned onto the idea that although it would never be possible to regain the numerical advantage, they could effectively counter the Wildcat by taking advantage of its predictability (because it prevents the defense from putting eight men in the box, it is a run-oriented offense) while also ensuring they subbed in the right players at the right time by carefully watching which personnel the offense was putting onto the field during any given play.

Another weakness in the system was identified by former Jets QB Chad Pennington. When he was playing in Miami, Pennington was asked how he felt about the prospect of lining up at WR in the Wildcat. He responded by briefly talking about how much defenders love having a chance to hit QB’s really hard and then added: “I don’t think you would last very long.”

All of which leads us neatly on to the ill-fated story of ex-Dolphins Wildcat guru (now present-day Jets offensive coordinator) Tony Sparano, and former West Virginia QB Pat White.

When the Dolphins announced that they were using the 48th overall pick of the 2009 draft to acquire White, eyebrows were raised right across the country. Sure, he was a decent QB who had enjoyed a reasonable career at college level, but to most people that was exactly the kind of prospect that he was – a reasonable one. Additionally it was felt that White was physically ill-equipped to handle life as an NFL QB, and as such he was expected to be taken long after the second round had been and gone.

Former Dolphins “quarterback” Pat White officially quit the game before the 2011 season began.
But what the world at large didn’t know at the time was that when Sparano (who was then in charge of the Dolphins offense) looked at Pat White, what he saw was a vision that many observers believe has since become an obsession: White, he felt, was the missing ingredient that would make the Dolphins Wildcat completely unstoppable.

Before drafting White, Sparano (who first introduced the NFL to the Wildcat back in 2008) had been running the system with RB Ronnie Brown at the helm. But despite its early promise, teams soon began to realise that Brown’s throwing ability was limited at best, and so defenses began to key on the run with considerable success.

The obvious solution to this problem was to replace Brown with a genuine QB who could also be taught how to catch the ball, thereby creating a Wildcat package that was a threat both in the air and on the ground at one and the same time. White seemed to be the ideal man for the job.

Unfortunately for Sparano, things didn’t quite pan out that way. In order for this version of the Wildcat to succeed, the Dolphins needed their regular QB Pennington to be on the field at the same time as White and so when he went down with an injury, that was just the beginning of the problems.

Former Dolphins VP of Football Operations Bill Parcells explained in 2011: “At the time, we were thinking we could expand the Wildcat, you know. But it turns out he [White] wasn’t accurate enough and didn’t throw it well enough. We learned from that.”

The last part of that statement seems particularly relevant to present-day Jets fans. Exactly what did Sparano learn from the Pat White fiasco? Did he give up on the idea of revolutionizing the Wildcat, or has he just been waiting for the right player to come along? So far this season the Wildcat offense has been conspicuous by its absence from the gameplan. Yes, it’s been seen on the odd occasion, yet in the grand scheme of things it’s hardly been displayed at all. But why?

There are obviously many potential answers, but perhaps the most tantalizing one can be found by revisiting the seemingly comical moment earlier this season when – against the Dolphins of all teams – Sanchez aimed a pass at Tebow only to see it bounce off the back of his helmet.

Tebow looks to haul in the pass from Sanchez against the Dolphins in Week 3.
In light of what we now know about Sparano and Pat White, maybe we should reconsider that moment from a slightly more serious perspective and ask if it might just be possible that by calling that play in a “live” situation, Sparano was slowly and cautiously taking the first step towards implementing the lessons that he learned during his time in Miami.

If it is, then the football world had better prepare itself for an offensive revolution of the first order, because if Sparano and his receiving coach Sanjay Lal can turn Tebow into a throwing, running, and receiving triple-threat Wildcat freak, then the game as we know it will soon be changed forever.

Indeed, behind the closed doors of the Jets’ Florham Park training facility, it may well be the case that it already has.


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

Very interesting article. I wonder how long a team would practice a 'Wildcat' Senario before implementing it in a game?

I am not a huge believer of the 'Wildcat', but Tebow has converted 4 First Downs from the punt formation. Sporano's idea or Westoff?

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