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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:20 PM

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Sanchez is currently the only qualified quarterback in the league to have a sub-50.0 completion percentage.

A quarterback's Points Above Average figure measures the number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of an average quarterback. A 50.0 Total QBR is the league average.

So how badly is Sanchez performing? Since the start of the 2008 season, no quarterback has cost his team more net points than Sanchez, if replaced by a league-average quarterback. Sanchez has been worth minus-75.0 points to the Jets over the course of his career -- worse than JaMarcus Russell, Derek Anderson, Jimmy Clausen, et al.

Sanchez has overthrown or underthrown 47 passes this season, or 26.6 percent of his total attempts -- the highest percentage of any qualified quarterback.

Sanchez is completing only 47.6 percent of his passes thrown five yards or fewer downfield this season, easily the worst in the league. The next-lowest figure belongs to Josh Freeman, who has completed 58.6 percent of his short throws.

Mark Sanchez, Total QBR by Season, 2009-12:
2009: 31.6 -- 26th in NFL
2010: 48.0 -- 18th in NFL
2011: 33.6 -- 30th in NFL
2012: 33.2 -- 31st in NFL


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Posted 18 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

RK	PLAYER	RESULT	PASS EPA	RUN EPA	SACK EPA	PEN EPA	TOTAL EPA	ACT PLAYS	QB PAR	QB PAA	[b]TOTAL QBR[/b]
1	Robert Griffin III, WSH	W 38-26 vs MIN in Wk 6	4.5	7.8	-0.4	0.1	12.0	38	13.8	10.6	97.6
2	Eli Manning, NYG	W 26-3 @ SF in Wk 6	8.2	-0.3	0.0	0.0	7.9	29	9.4	7.0	96.0
3	Aaron Rodgers, GB	W 42-24 @ HOU in Wk 6	10.4	0.4	-1.0	0.7	10.6	44	14.0	10.3	95.8
4	Russell Wilson, SEA	W 24-23 vs NE in Wk 6	9.8	1.1	-1.4	0.0	9.5	35	9.2	6.3	91.4
5	Mark Sanchez, NYJ	W 35-9 vs IND in Wk 6	3.9	0.0	-0.3	0.1	3.7	21	4.7	3.0	[b]86.6[/b]
6	Sam Bradford, STL	L 17-14 @ MIA in Wk 6	8.6	3.7	-2.4	-0.9	9.0	52	9.2	4.8	77.3
7	Joe Flacco, BAL	        W 31-29 vs DAL in Wk 6	8.4	-0.4	-1.0	0.2	7.2	35	6.0	3.1	76.3
8	Ben Roethlisberger, PIT	L 26-23 @ TEN in Wk 6	5.6	3.1	-1.1	2.0	9.5	43	7.3	3.7	76.0
9	Peyton Manning, DEN	W 35-24 @ SD in Wk 6	5.4	0.0	0.0	-0.6	4.8	37	5.9	2.9	73.4
10	Tom Brady, NE	        L 24-23 @ SEA in Wk 6	10.8	0.0	-0.6	-1.3	8.8	61	9.4	4.3	72.0


qbr is weird

brady listed as 10th for week6 above
but he was the passing leader for week6
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 02:53 PM

View Postsantana, on 18 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

RK	PLAYER	RESULT	PASS EPA	RUN EPA	SACK EPA	PEN EPA	TOTAL EPA	ACT PLAYS	QB PAR	QB PAA	[b]TOTAL QBR[/b]
1	Robert Griffin III, WSH	W 38-26 vs MIN in Wk 6	4.5	7.8	-0.4	0.1	12.0	38	13.8	10.6	97.6
2	Eli Manning, NYG	W 26-3 @ SF in Wk 6	8.2	-0.3	0.0	0.0	7.9	29	9.4	7.0	96.0
3	Aaron Rodgers, GB	W 42-24 @ HOU in Wk 6	10.4	0.4	-1.0	0.7	10.6	44	14.0	10.3	95.8
4	Russell Wilson, SEA	W 24-23 vs NE in Wk 6	9.8	1.1	-1.4	0.0	9.5	35	9.2	6.3	91.4
5	Mark Sanchez, NYJ	W 35-9 vs IND in Wk 6	3.9	0.0	-0.3	0.1	3.7	21	4.7	3.0	[b]86.6[/b]
6	Sam Bradford, STL	L 17-14 @ MIA in Wk 6	8.6	3.7	-2.4	-0.9	9.0	52	9.2	4.8	77.3
7	Joe Flacco, BAL	        W 31-29 vs DAL in Wk 6	8.4	-0.4	-1.0	0.2	7.2	35	6.0	3.1	76.3
8	Ben Roethlisberger, PIT	L 26-23 @ TEN in Wk 6	5.6	3.1	-1.1	2.0	9.5	43	7.3	3.7	76.0
9	Peyton Manning, DEN	W 35-24 @ SD in Wk 6	5.4	0.0	0.0	-0.6	4.8	37	5.9	2.9	73.4
10	Tom Brady, NE	        L 24-23 @ SEA in Wk 6	10.8	0.0	-0.6	-1.3	8.8	61	9.4	4.3	72.0


qbr is weird

brady listed as 10th for week6 above
but he was the passing leader for week6

Are you honestly trying to make an assessment of Mark as a qb from one game against a bad team? And one with a rookie qb at that? Not to mention a game where he had to throw for less than a hundred yards.
This isn't a probable game for any NFL qb no matter how good the running game is. If Mark only had to throw for 86 yards every week the Jets would have the best running game and defense in NFL history by miles and the team would go undefeated and be labeled as the best team in NFL history bar far.

The point is Mark has sucked all 4 years even when the Jets had the best oline in the NFL,the best running game,the best defense, and the best corner.Mark is incapable of looking good against good teams with his arm.Only the bad.It isn't all about the numbers but after four years Mark is still one of the worst in the league every year in stats. It tells me he sucks and I see it in his play without even looking at the stats at all. The stats just help to prove what is obvious.

If anything looking at the qbr rating showing that he is way worse than when the Jets had tops in the league in most every area shows that Mark needs major crutches in many that to be even average which isn't often for any team.
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Posted 19 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 19 October 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Are you honestly trying to make an assessment of Mark as a qb from one game against a bad team? And one with a rookie qb at that? Not to mention a game where he had to throw for less than a hundred yards.
This isn't a probable game for any NFL qb no matter how good the running game is. If Mark only had to throw for 86 yards every week the Jets would have the best running game and defense in NFL history by miles and the team would go undefeated and be labeled as the best team in NFL history bar far.

The point is Mark has sucked all 4 years even when the Jets had the best oline in the NFL,the best running game,the best defense, and the best corner.Mark is incapable of looking good against good teams with his arm.Only the bad.It isn't all about the numbers but after four years Mark is still one of the worst in the league every year in stats. It tells me he sucks and I see it in his play without even looking at the stats at all. The stats just help to prove what is obvious.

If anything looking at the qbr rating showing that he is way worse than when the Jets had tops in the league in most every area shows that Mark needs major crutches in many that to be even average which isn't often for any team.


Where is the assessment of Mark in santana's post?

View Postsantana, on 18 October 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

qbr is weird

brady listed as 10th for week6 above
but he was the passing leader for week6



If anything, it's further evidence that ESPN's QBR stat is awful.
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