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ROBJETS, on 17 November 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:
It really amazes me that Mark gets any votes. Statistically he is one of the worst qualified qb in rankings in many years.
Ken Obrien was easily the most complete qb the Jets ever had with a balanced skill set period.But the young bucks never seen him play so all they know is the new guys.
If you want to throw skills out the window and just count playoffs that is the only way I could put Mark in the topic. If Ken Obrien, Testaverde,or even Pennington,or Nameth would have had the defense and running game Mark had the Jets would've 100% won the Superbowl. Mark was and has been nothing more than a game manager. Not how that puts him in the discussion of being the best.
If you want to go by talent and what they have done with it
1)Ken Obrien (total all around skill-set above average qb,not many weaknesses, just not elite)(2 time pro-bowler 124 tds and almost 24,000 yards thrown)playoffs 85,86
2)Chad Pennington (great skill-set, extremely accurate...weak arm leading to int`s..injury prone)(Most accurate qb ever)4 playoff years...3 with Jets
3)Testaverde (amazing competitor, accuracy erratic...interception machine due to bad accuracy,never out of games,durable) voted for greatest game in NFL history in comeback win,21 seasons played,2 pro-bowls 1 with Jets,3 playoff appearances..2 with Jets)
4)Nameth (Nameth could be ranked anywhere from the top to the bottom because of the time period he played in but I'm just going by today's game and ranking him 4th.)(Always in games.great competitor,very bad accuracy,interception machine) (Only Jets Superbowl win or appearance,Only Jets qb in HOF)(again he could be ranked anywhere on the list but he played in a different era. Many question his skill-set which is the debate).
Ken Obrien was easily the most complete qb the Jets ever had with a balanced skill set period.But the young bucks never seen him play so all they know is the new guys.
If you want to throw skills out the window and just count playoffs that is the only way I could put Mark in the topic. If Ken Obrien, Testaverde,or even Pennington,or Nameth would have had the defense and running game Mark had the Jets would've 100% won the Superbowl. Mark was and has been nothing more than a game manager. Not how that puts him in the discussion of being the best.
If you want to go by talent and what they have done with it
1)Ken Obrien (total all around skill-set above average qb,not many weaknesses, just not elite)(2 time pro-bowler 124 tds and almost 24,000 yards thrown)playoffs 85,86
2)Chad Pennington (great skill-set, extremely accurate...weak arm leading to int`s..injury prone)(Most accurate qb ever)4 playoff years...3 with Jets
3)Testaverde (amazing competitor, accuracy erratic...interception machine due to bad accuracy,never out of games,durable) voted for greatest game in NFL history in comeback win,21 seasons played,2 pro-bowls 1 with Jets,3 playoff appearances..2 with Jets)
4)Nameth (Nameth could be ranked anywhere from the top to the bottom because of the time period he played in but I'm just going by today's game and ranking him 4th.)(Always in games.great competitor,very bad accuracy,interception machine) (Only Jets Superbowl win or appearance,Only Jets qb in HOF)(again he could be ranked anywhere on the list but he played in a different era. Many question his skill-set which is the debate).
Totally agree. If the jets would have had a good line and defense, they would have won with O'Brien. He did have two of the best WR's in jet history together at the same time; not to mention Mickey Shuler. Kenny got my vote but I wish I was young enough to not remember him!!!
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