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ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:30 PM) So I'm glad it wasn't called
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) Hope it's changed next year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:31 PM) it's been called a ton of times, they showed a montage o ESPN last night of a bunch of times it's been called
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) just because one player made a great play, doesn't mean you can excuse someone making a bonehead play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) chancellor made a great play (remember when i wanted the jets to draft him?) but the LBer should have not illegally batted it, he could have tried to recover it or body blocked det from recovering.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:34 PM) Not sure what ESPN you had on ESPN China? I left ESPN on for 2 hours after the game and I never seen this montage you say. I'm calling you out as bullshit. Show me a video of proof
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:38 PM) Even the old ESPN official couldn't remember an instance of it being called. It isn't the same as the offense backing out of the end zone with the ball or being sacked in the end zone for a safety. Completely different rule and situation. I've never seen it called and I watch at least 6 games at a time a week. None of the ESPN announcer players, Ray Lewis, Dilfer, or Young even knew the rule and that's over 20 years of NFL experience. Yet none of them knew or understood the rule until it was explained in detail
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:40 PM) I've never once seen the ball given back to to offense so I challenge you to show me this montage you claim was on. If I didn't see it for two hours I after the game I'm calling bullshit on your end
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:43 PM) Say whatever you want but show me proof or just leave it be because I won't believe you without a bunch of video proof. I have a hell of a memory and if it ever was called maybe once or twice in the past 30 years but no way there is some montage
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:48 PM) Nether coach knew the rule either and they would know more of the rules than the players and fans. If not for a retired official bringing it up it probably would've never even been brought up at all
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 03:58 PM) I highly questionable is on now and they are even saying no one knew the rule or complained until they were told the rule.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:05 PM) I have seen plenty of games where defenders did knock the ball out of the end zone like the situation last night to prevent any possible touchdown not disputing that because that has happened a good many times. My point is I've never seen a flag thrown for it and the ball given to the offense. It's definitely an obsolete rule that should be thrown out. The NFL has made the rules so offensive friendly these days it's hard to play defense with out calls anymore. That is just one more bullshit rule to help the offense. Take the Jets Dolphins game for instance. Those bullshit pi calls against our defense for clearly uncatchable balls. Pi never should've never been called giving up like 60 yards on two calls and a td that never would've happened. At most they should've been 5 yard holding calls. Never would've been mad if they just called them holding calls.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:06 PM) Anyway I'm tired of all these offense friendly rules these days screwing over the defenses. It's starting to get like non touch flag football for the defenses.
ROBJETS Icon : (06 October 2015 - 04:11 PM) You know it too. Our team has been a defensive team for well over a decade and so many bullshit calls have been called against our defense because of the new offensive friendly rules. So I say screw Detroit. I'm glad it wasn't called and a defense gets a break
Jetsfan115 Icon : (06 October 2015 - 06:37 PM) call em a liar if you want, but I seen it man
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:52 AM) guess I should enable a character limit for the shoutbox
santana Icon : (07 October 2015 - 12:53 AM) getting a bit out of hand
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Today, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Today, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:52 PM



It’s a good thing the Jets aren’t a circus.

To cap a day in which multiple Jets said backup quarterback Tim Tebow is “terrible,” coach Rex Ryan called out the unnamed critics as cowardly, and Tebow expressed sadness at the situation, running back Shonn Greene went the other way, suggesting that maybe the clocks should finally be set to Tebow Time.

“Something’s got to change,” Greene told Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports. “When you get to the point where you’re 3-6, and losing and losing, a couple of guys are like, ‘Oh, what would happen [if Tebow played]? But guys at the same time have faith in Mark, so it’s kind of an up-and-down thing.

“You feel bad for Mark, but at the same time you want to win games. We’re not here to protect people’s feelings. If you want to win games, you’ve got to try something. If somebody’s not getting the job done, you see if somebody else can do it. It’s the same with coaching, or any position. You don’t mean to belittle someone or say ‘he sucks.’ That’s just the harsh reality.”

The problem is that it’s now too late to switch to Tebow. If it works, and if the Jets actually start winning, it likely will be too late to help them get to the playoffs. Which would serve only to invite questions regarding why the Jets didn’t make the change sooner.

The bigger problem is that the Jets appear to have the beginnings of a schism. Yes. Schism.

And it possibly wasn’t an accident that Greene included coaching in his list of things that may need to be changed for the team to become successful.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:28 PM

Lets start with the RB position.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:41 AM

Joke of the NFL??? more like the the joke of all sports :banghead:

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 01:55 AM

View PostMikeGangGreenFan2, on 15 November 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

Joke of the NFL??? more like the the joke of all sports :banghead:

I don't know about all that.

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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.

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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

View PostMr_Jet, on 15 November 2012 - 01:55 AM, said:

I don't know about all that.

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Fortunately for them, their championships, history, and just sheer luck covers up their current stupidity.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:55 AM

Rest of the article: http://sports.yahoo....tim-tebow-.html


Jets RB Shonn Greene is right: Time for team to hand ball to 'terrible' Tim Tebow

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Eight months ago, the New York Jets made a significant organizational decision, outbidding two other franchises to land quarterback Tim Tebow in a high-profile trade.

Now, with the Jets (3-6) in freefall and starter Mark Sanchez struggling, many outsiders are wondering whether Tebow can somehow save the season. In the wake of a 28-7 defeat to the Seattle Seahawks in which Sanchez completed 9 of 22 passes for 124 yards, with a red-zone interception and a fumble, at least some people on the inside are advocating a quarterback switch as well.

Tim Tebow has thrown six passes this season. (Getty Images)"Something's got to change," Jets running back Shonn Greene told Yahoo! Sports. "When you get to the point where you're 3-6, and losing and losing, a couple of guys are like, 'Oh, what would happen [if Tebow played]?' But guys at the same time have faith in Mark, so it's kind of an up-and-down thing.

"You feel bad for Mark, but at the same time you want to win games. We're not here to protect people's feelings. If you want to win games, you've got to try something. If somebody's not getting the job done, you see if somebody else can do it. It's the same with coaching, or any position. You don't mean to belittle someone or say 'he sucks.' That's just the harsh reality."

While Greene's opinion is obviously not unanimous — on Wednesday, the New York Daily News ran a story in which Jets guard Matt Slauson said "we don't really have a choice" but to keep playing Sanchez and an anonymous defensive starter described Tebow as "terrible" — it's closely aligned with mine.

Like Greene and, in all probability, the others in the locker room who've expressed similar sentiments to the running back, I have no desire to bash Sanchez. I like him as a person and admire the way he helped guide the Jets to AFC championship appearances in his first two seasons, and I still believe he can be a standout NFL quarterback.

I also understand some of the reasons that coach Rex Ryan would be hesitant to bench Sanchez, from the team's financial commitment to the fourth-year passer (his 2013 base salary of $8.25 million is fully guaranteed) to the fact that Tebow tends to stink it up in practice, which hardly inspires confidence.

One line of thought I don't buy for maintaining the status quo is that, by giving Tebow a shot, the Jets would crush Sanchez's confidence and prevent the possibility that he could be their franchise quarterback of the future.

For one thing, I don't think Sanchez is that soft. Quarterbacks as accomplished as Joe Montana (the greatest of all time), Phil Simms and Kurt Warner have survived and thrived after being yanked, which was a testament to their competitive drive and fortitude. And if it turns out Sanchez really is that fragile, it will prove that he wasn't cut out to be the Jets' franchise quarterback in the first place.

Instead of needlessly fretting over what this might mean for the future, the Jets' powerbrokers — Ryan, general manager Mike Tannenbaum and owner Woody Johnson — need to take a cold, hard look at the short-term. Actually, they should first harken back to their collective mindset last March, when they reacted to Tebow's sudden availability — after the Denver Broncos signed Peyton Manning — by going out and getting him.

They did not do this at gunpoint. To pry the world's most polarizing quarterback (and a seventh-round draft pick) from the Broncos, the Jets gave up fourth- and sixth-round selections — and the right to act surprised when the outside started viewing him as a viable option should Sanchez and/or the team struggle.

Ryan and Tannenbaum may have sold the move as an attempt to turn Tebow into a threat out of the Wildcat offense and to serve as a change-of-pace artist who'd spell Sanchez in specific situations, but they also understood the larger ramifications.

The potential for Tebow Time meant pressure on Sanchez, intensive media and fan interest and, inevitably, the kind of locker-room curiosity in the event of unmet expectations that Greene's comments suggest.

The Jets went out and got Tebow for a reason. For all of his obvious flaws, including poor mechanics and a seeming lack of aptitude for reading defenses, he did something momentous in 2011. Tebow stepped in for Kyle Orton at a time when the Broncos' season was essentially slipping away and helped spur his team to an unlikely run of dramatic victories, including a last-minute triumph over the Jets almost exactly a year ago.

While there seemed to be supernatural forces at work, be they spiritual or coincidental, during many of Tebow's triumphs, his performance in the Broncos' first-round playoff upset of the Pittsburgh Steelers, which included 316 passing yards and a dramatic, game-winning touchdown throw in overtime, was decidedly legit.

I can understand why the Jets would prefer Sanchez over Tebow if the team was still contending for a playoff spot, or if the quarterback was performing at a reasonably high level. Right now, neither of those things is true. New York has lost three consecutive games and five of its last six to slip to 3-6 — technically still in the playoff hunt, but in need of the type of shocking turnaround that Tebow provoked in Denver last season.

Sanchez ranks 14th in the AFC with a 70.4 passer rating. He is completing just 52 percent of his passes and has thrown a mere 10 touchdowns, against nine interceptions. He has his share of legitimate excuses, from the season-ending injury to top wideout Santonio Holmes to the pressure caused by the team's defensive struggles (and another season-ending injury to the Jets' best player, cornerback Darrelle Revis). Yet the bottom line is that he hasn't been very good.

There seems to be a sense that if Sanchez is benched he'll never be able to recover, but I don't think the majority of people in the Jets' locker room see it that way.

"The light always shines brighter on a quarterback," linebacker Bart Scott said Wednesday afternoon. "When a team isn't winning, the most popular person is the backup quarterback. If they do it this way [keeping Sanchez as the starter], we need to find a way to win games. If they do it the other way, they do it the other way, and we still have the same challenge.

"At the end of the day, we all have ups and downs. We all have good seasons and bad seasons. It's part of football, and we all move on and keep fighting."

In other words, if this were a debate about whether to make a change at inside linebacker, few people would be worrying about the potential damage to Scott's psyche.

I realize that franchise quarterback is a different animal, but I'm also baffled as to why the Jets would have traded for Tebow had they not been prepared for the possibility of playing him. The rest is just noise: That whole Wildcat thing hasn't been much of a game-changer, and while making Tebow the up-back on the punt team was intriguing — and despite Ryan's glowing portrayal of the move's effect on the Jets' net-punting average at his Wednesday press conference — it all seems a little underwhelming.

Tebow, like it or not, is a quarterback. He's a quarterback who has had success in the NFL, specifically when it comes to bringing a team back from the brink. At this point, wouldn't Ryan and Tannenbaum want to give him a shot and see if he has another revival in him? If not, what would it take to make a switch?

Had Sanchez gotten injured, we might already have seen whether Tebow was capable of giving this stagnant offense a spark. Asked specifically what his confidence level in Tebow would be if the backup were thrust into action under such circumstances, Ryan said, "I think it would be extremely high. Here's a guy that took a team to the playoffs with him leading [it to a 7-4 record] when he was in [a starting] role. That's another reason we got him — we were confident [in him] if something were to happen to Mark. … In that case, I think we could win with Tim."

Obviously, something doesn't add up. One possibility is that Ryan is flat-out lying — that he doesn't have much faith in Tebow and shudders at the possibility of having to start him. It's even plausible that, in the event of an injury to Sanchez, Ryan would instead turn to third-stringer Greg McElroy and keep Tebow in his specialist role.

If this is the case, Tebow's notoriously poor presentation in practice could certainly be impacting Ryan's mindset. It's not as if the coach and the Jets' other players haven't noticed the way the backup quarterback sometimes struggles on the practice field. Shonn Greene has rushed for 567 yards and five TDs in '12. (Getty Images)"He does," Greene confirmed. "I'm not gonna lie. His mechanics, his throwing … not looking like a normal NFL quarterback. But you know what? He's a football player. He makes stuff happen."

To expand upon Greene's point: Tebow looked lousy in practice last year, too. Given that this wasn't exactly a secret, the Jets' powerbrokers had to know this when they made the trade. Thus, if Tebow still looks shaky during the week, this shouldn't have any impact on how they feel about him. With Tebow, the magic is supposed to happen during game time — that's the whole point.

For what it's worth, Scott doesn't share Greene's assessment. "I don't think he looks bad in practice," the linebacker said of Tebow. "We all have hiccups. Wednesday practice is always sloppy — we're dealing with new game plans and learning as we go. You get refined by Friday; that's why we call it Fast Friday. I think he's like the rest of us."

Another theory as to why Ryan isn't playing Tebow is that the coach may never have been on board with the decision to acquire him in the first place. Some believe that Johnson, the owner, spearheaded the move as a potential boon to marketing and ticket-sales.

If this was indeed the case, then it's time for Johnson to step up and ensure that his new toy gets a test drive. While ordering one's coach to make a change at the sport's pivotal position is bad form —yeah, Bud Adams, I'm talking to you — there are ways of influencing the situation without issuing an explicit decree.

Simply put, if Johnson made it known to his coach that he was highly interested in seeing what Tebow could do, Ryan would be savvy enough to pick up on the vibe and make the quarterback change his idea.

Usually, when Johnson wants something badly, he is not subtle about trying to exert his influence.

To Ryan's credit, he is demonstrating his loyalty to a quarterback he still seems to believe is capable of achieving great feats for the franchise. Certainly, Sanchez is appreciative of the support.

"Hey man, it's all part of it," Sanchez said of the recent talk about his job security. "I'm good, all things considered. My teammates know I'm gonna stay positive, keep working and fight for the guys in this locker room."

I suspect Sanchez's teammates also believe that, if he does get benched, he'll try to channel his disappointment and frustration into something positive down the road, rather than shriveling up and bemoaning his fate. As Greene said of his quarterback's ability to deal with outside drama, "He handles it real, real well, but just seeing it from my perspective, it has to be hard — playing for a New York team, the media, the pressure to win right away. … It has to be hard, but he's good at blocking stuff out."

As for Tebow, whose relentlessly positive personality was on full display in his comments to reporters on Wednesday, I have a feeling that even the Jets who throw around words like "terrible" to describe him have to be at least a little bit curious about what the NFL's most celebrated backup might be able to do if given a chance.

"If he plays," Scott said, "we're gonna rally behind him."

Switching to Tebow could spark the Jets, or it could cause an even more conspicuous flameout. Ryan, Tannenbaum and Johnson knew those possibilities existed eight months ago, and they eagerly stepped up and traded for a player whose true value is yet to be determined.

It's time to find out how much Tebow is worth to this franchise, no matter whose feelings it might hurt.


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