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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:26 PM) i'd be happy if he kicks the shit out of miami and NE every year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:41 PM) I believe the rivers stuff is all speculation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:39 PM) So Many smokescreens this time of year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:09 PM) my money is we'll take a pass rushing OLB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 PM) Yup, unless they trade up.
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Mangini As Gm

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

The topic was broached on another Jets board. I said "I heard this a few times and I have no idea why people say this. What did Mangini do on a personnel level that warrants this?".

In reply, someone linked this article..

I did a little bit of googling, and found this out:

I'm going disregard the "Nnamdi is much better than Revis and it's not even close" comment.

In 2006, Mangini was a first time coach fresh off one season as a D Coordinator. I highly doubt how much "pull" he had in the draft room that season. Considering that Rex had virtually none and came with a much more established resume, I'm guessing Mangini wasn't at the head of the table. In 2006, we took the "safe" picks. Magold was a no brainer. Brick was the first OT taken and the only one in the 1st round. In the 2nd and 3rd round, we missed completely with Clemens and Anthony Schlegal. Two terrible picks. The 4th round was a good one with Brad Smith and Leon.

In 2007, we drafted Revis and Harris. Anytime you get a Revis in the draft, that's a win.

In 2008 all that goodwill from Revis pick went down the toilet when we drafted Gholston. That was just awful. Even if Keller eventually learns how to block, that draft was a monumental fail.

Mangini's involvement in the draft is debatable. Whats not debatable is his involvement in the Jets 2009 draft where he gave us the 5th overall pick for 17th pick, the 52nd pick (used on David Veikunu, currently with the CFL), Abram Elam (on the Chiefs), Brett Ratliff (out of football) and Kenyon Coleman (Cowboys). He traded our #17 to the Bucs (who used it on Josh Freeman) for the 19th pick and a 6th rounder (used on Coye Francies currently on the Raiders). The 19th pick was then traded by Manging to the Eagles (who used it on Maclin) for the 21st overall (Alex Mack) and their 6th rounder (used on a RB who is out of football).

To recap, 4 years after Cleveland gave Mangini the reins to the 5th overall pick, he rewarded them with a C and not a single other player that's still on their roster. In the process, he passed on two franchise QBs (regardless of how you feel about Sanchez, he's better than any QB the Browns have had in the past 4 years) and Maclin. Mangini also managed to draft 2 other players in the 2nd round that year, WRs Massequai and Robiskie (waived, currently on DET).
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:36 AM

In year two he drafted Haden, Ward, Hardesy, McCoy, and Lauvao. That means over two drafts Mangini took two starting offensive linemen and a top tier CB and took five players still with the team. Sound familiar?

Anyway, what anyone does with the Browns doesn't matter. Horrible franchise players don't want to play for.

Also, the 2009 draft sucked. Looking through it there have been nine pro-bowlers from it. Compare that to fifteen from the 2010 draft and fourteen from the one in 2008 (or twenty-six from 2007's).

View PostClemens11, on 12 August 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 23 November 2012 - 10:43 AM

None of us know how much sway Mangini or Ryan do or do not have. What I do know, is that there has certainly been a philosophical shift in how this organization drafts between Mangini and Rex Ryan.

Under Mangini, the Jets went after smart, hard working, high character players. Players like Darelle Revis, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, David Harris, Leon Washington, Brad Smith, Eric Smith, etc. These are the players that formed the backbone of the good Jets teams a few years ago. During Rex's tenure, the Jets have gone for "athletes" over football players...

Whoever was responsible for the drafts during Mangini's era...the Jets need to get back to that.
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Posted 23 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

The Mangini era delivered us Gholston, you can say that Tannenbaum's drafting was heading downhill with or without Mangini.I think the only difference is that Rex hasn't been afraid to take players with questionable characters.

I don't want Mangini back or Tannenbaum,if we start fresh I want Woody Johnson to pony up the money and get Bill Cowher, bring in any new GM hes comfortable working with.
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