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JETS LACK OF REDZONE OFFENSE STILL CURSING THE DEFENSE
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) Catch the f***ing ball nelson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) it all comes down to this
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) David ha ha Nelson is a bum
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) why didn't they talk about Kyle Fuler when torched for 51 yards by Salas?
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Bullshit
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) f***
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How the f*** is that not interference
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) That's flag 101 never looking back and pushing the WR
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) How is that not PI?
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:41 PM) Never looked for the ball for a second
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) Fuck this game fuck the refs fuck this team fuck the season. I'm over this shit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) That's bullshit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:43 PM) On the bright side we get to play Detroit, San Diego, NE and denver in our next 4 games
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:44 PM) Oh look the refs gave the Jets another timeout. A timeout the Jets didn't even have. SMDH
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Until we get rid of geno smith we are going nowhere. Bottom line. Dude is more erratic than romo
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) I'm really not feeling Geno Smith.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) Or any other QB in the league. Trade for Sanchez Now!
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) We'd be 3-0 with Sanchez
SokeSleezy Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Geno's needs to work on his accuracy,Stafford gonna kill us next week smh
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Yeah gonna go with a good old f*** Geno this week. He is still playing better than last year though
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) People saying Sanchez sucks keep in mind he never had a chance to play in morningwegs system. He was held back by shottenheimer
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:47 PM) This team will never have a franchise QB. We can't draft them and when we sign or trade for them, they're past their primes.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) well
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) Because we destoy any promise in our young QBs with our elite offensive support talent.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) another game next week
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 3-0 with Sanchez? Oh god...we've gone there already?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) jets need more talent on O
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) and some god damn DBs
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) Morninweg's system is get the offense going then throw a monkey wrench into things by putting the backup QB in there and f***ing up the offense's rhythm.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:50 PM) Yes I went there. Geno spots these teams 7-10 points weekly and has turned the ball in the redzone 3 games in a row. If not for 2 dropped ints geno would have 4 picks. Dude sucks at best
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:51 PM) Then we got Chris ivory running like marshawn lynch out there and they sit him on the bench the whole fourth quarter
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) I'd like to use the same excuse I used for Sanchez. QB can't really do shit when your best WR would be a #3 if he was lucky on any other team
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) yeah but sanchez was shell shcoked
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) jets werent fixing him
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) Geno will be to after another year or two of this shit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) What's kerleys contract like
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) because if he's underpaid I don't see him sticking around
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) he only looks good because our O is so bad.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) I bet a lot of teams have their eye on him
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:56 PM) Decker doesn't need to play until he is completely healthy
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:58 PM) FIRE IDZIK
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:08 PM) How big was the Sheldon Richardson fumble recovery not being a TD. We quickly went three and out after that
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 PM) Idzik better not be stingy this offseason and address the biggest issues we have WR and Secondary
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:47 PM) King mo says he's ok, injury is minor
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:08 PM

View PostChaos, on 25 November 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

No. No. I do not want Schottenheimer round 2 here. Bill Polian will only result in Chris Polian after a season and that's a big no. I want to hire someone to run the team, not to set his son up for a job.


You act as if Chris Polian would give the team herpes.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:50 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 25 November 2012 - 10:08 PM, said:

You act as if Chris Polian would give the team herpes.


We had this conversation in the shout box a while back. Why hire a guy who will be here for a season and then leave the team in the hands of someone that the ownership didn't hire? Like we saw with the Schottenheimers, son does not equal father. I don't want to replace Tanny for the sake of replacing him. Why not bring Bradshaw back at that point? I want the Jets to hire a true evaluator of talent. Papa Polian has an established history, what does his son have? Three years of experience with the Colts that resulted in him getting fired after a 2-14 season? Here are the drafts he's had:

2009: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html
2010: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html
2011: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html

I rather get a guy with experience, not a name.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:15 PM

View PostChaos, on 25 November 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

We had this conversation in the shout box a while back. Why hire a guy who will be here for a season and then leave the team in the hands of someone that the ownership didn't hire? Like we saw with the Schottenheimers, son does not equal father. I don't want to replace Tanny for the sake of replacing him. Why not bring Bradshaw back at that point? I want the Jets to hire a true evaluator of talent. Papa Polian has an established history, what does his son have? Three years of experience with the Colts that resulted in him getting fired after a 2-14 season? Here are the drafts he's had:

2009: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html
2010: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html
2011: http://www.profootba...olis-colts.html

I rather get a guy with experience, not a name.


If Woody Johnson were to hire Bill Polian I'm sure knowing what happened in Indy he (Woody) would make it clear how long Bill would have to stay with the team. And if Bill were really looking to get his son a job, he'd agree to Woody's terms however long he (Bill) would have to stay. Remember it's Woody's team at the end of the day. If Woody wants Bill and not Chris than that's the way it will be or Bill won't come at all. But if Woody is willing to accept Bill for 3 or 4 years and then let Bill hand off the reigns to his son, than that would be Woody's decision. Just like it was Irsay's decision. The buck stops with Woody. And as I said in the shoutbox even if that were the case, we do not know that Chris Polian would be a bad GM. He wasn't in charge in Indy long enough to make that determination. And really are you going to blame Chris Polian for the Colts 2-14 record when Peyton Manning spent the entire season injured? Come on.

You talk about the Schottenheimers but they're not different. Neither of them could get to the Super Bowl and they were both extremely conservative in crucial games or crucial moments. So that's one case of the son being like the father. But in reality the Schottenheimers or the Ryans or the Rooneys or the Irsays, nothing they've done or haven't done has anything to do with picking the right players on this team going forward. If Chris Polian were to eventually become the GM of this team he has shown no indication that he'd be a bad GM. Is this more fear of the unknown or rather fear that because one father and son tandem didn't work out in NFL history (Marty and Brian) then that must mean all father and son tandems are doomed? I'm not going to be afraid of the Polians because of something the Schottenheimers did or didn't do. Different people, different situations. Only thing they have in common are they are both a set of father and son who worked in the NFL.

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Plus the only reason the Polians were able to do that in Indy was because the Colts were contenders every year. If under Bill Polian the Jets were not contenders after 2 or 3 years, I really doubt Woody would let Bill hand the reigns to his son. They'd both be gone. It was Indy's years of success that made it possible for Irsay to go along with Bill handing it off to his son.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:34 AM

Not wanting Bill Polian is laughable, no matter your reason.
"My first thought was I looked and I saw who was second and [thought], 'Hey, I finally beat Belichick at something. I got him. I knew it would take time, but I finally got him.'"
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 23 November 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

I'm a Rex Ryan fan. I think that 15 years ago, he'd be a Top 5 HC. His style and his defensive expertise are top notch. Unfortunately, he's coaching in the wrong era. The three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offense that he wants to run are a relic in the NFL. If you look at the teams who won playoff games last season, you'll see every single one being coached by a guy who cut his teeth on the offensive side of the ball (with the exception of John Fox). Is this a coincidence? I doubt it. We are in the era of the QB and the spread offense. Not only is Ryan a poor fit in that sense, it's also painfully clear that he's lost this team (again). Given Woody's traditional short leash on coaches, I'd be shocked if Rex is here in 2013. He'll be fired the Monday after the last game just like Mangini was.


Ryan's problem isn't his preference for running the ball. When the Jets have run the ball well, they've played well. Solid defense and ball control through pounding the ball are still viable. It might not be the greatest strategy, but it obviously can work since that is what got us to two AFC Championship games (also, look at team's like the Ravens who play better when Rice is the focus and not Flacco).

Ryan's problem is he believes the league is still a play-with-your-heart league. You win games in the NFL using your mind. The Jets are never prepared, so they always fall behind immediately and lose.

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1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:26 AM

View Postsexyrexy, on 26 November 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

Not wanting Bill Polian is laughable, no matter your reason.


Bill Polian is approaching 70. He has been in NFL management capacity from 1986 until he was fired in 2011. He has spent 25 years of his life doing this and has won the Super Bowl twice and been there six/seven times. I am not here to decide what he does with his life or how long he continues, but I do not want to hire someone as a temp. I want a GM that is here to do the job and I want someone who has time to implement his vision. Bill was President of the Colts association and hired his son to be GM from 2009 onwards. I do not know what level of control each individual had, but the fact that his son was GM for three years leads me to think that he was handing off the reins to his son and bowing out. I want a guy who is here to do the job, bring in talent and establish something. I'm not sure hiring Bill Polian would be doing that.

View PostMr_Jet, on 25 November 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

If Woody Johnson were to hire Bill Polian I'm sure knowing what happened in Indy he (Woody) would make it clear how long Bill would have to stay with the team. And if Bill were really looking to get his son a job, he'd agree to Woody's terms however long he (Bill) would have to stay. Remember it's Woody's team at the end of the day. If Woody wants Bill and not Chris than that's the way it will be or Bill won't come at all. But if Woody is willing to accept Bill for 3 or 4 years and then let Bill hand off the reigns to his son, than that would be Woody's decision. Just like it was Irsay's decision. The buck stops with Woody. And as I said in the shoutbox even if that were the case, we do not know that Chris Polian would be a bad GM. He wasn't in charge in Indy long enough to make that determination. And really are you going to blame Chris Polian for the Colts 2-14 record when Peyton Manning spent the entire season injured? Come on.

You talk about the Schottenheimers but they're not different. Neither of them could get to the Super Bowl and they were both extremely conservative in crucial games or crucial moments. So that's one case of the son being like the father. But in reality the Schottenheimers or the Ryans or the Rooneys or the Irsays, nothing they've done or haven't done has anything to do with picking the right players on this team going forward. If Chris Polian were to eventually become the GM of this team he has shown no indication that he'd be a bad GM. Is this more fear of the unknown or rather fear that because one father and son tandem didn't work out in NFL history (Marty and Brian) then that must mean all father and son tandems are doomed? I'm not going to be afraid of the Polians because of something the Schottenheimers did or didn't do. Different people, different situations. Only thing they have in common are they are both a set of father and son who worked in the NFL.

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Plus the only reason the Polians were able to do that in Indy was because the Colts were contenders every year. If under Bill Polian the Jets were not contenders after 2 or 3 years, I really doubt Woody would let Bill hand the reigns to his son. They'd both be gone. It was Indy's years of success that made it possible for Irsay to go along with Bill handing it off to his son.


It is a fear of the unknown. I understand that Chris may turn out to be a great GM but I rather the Jets sign a guy with some sort of tangible track record, not a guy whose mistakes could be masked by one of the greatest QBs to play the game. I don't think Bill will be here for the long haul. He may have the resume but if he's not going to stay, what's the point? Jets need a long term fix with continuity, not a guy to right the ship a little bit and then head off. What happens if Bill fixes the ship within a year or two and then Woody agrees to hand it off to his son? No track record and we're back to square one hoping he continues what his father established. Would you be okay with hiring Chris Polian this offseason with no Bill Polian coming with him?
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

View PostChaos, on 26 November 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

Bill Polian is approaching 70. He has been in NFL management capacity from 1986 until he was fired in 2011. He has spent 25 years of his life doing this and has won the Super Bowl twice and been there six/seven times. I am not here to decide what he does with his life or how long he continues, but I do not want to hire someone as a temp. I want a GM that is here to do the job and I want someone who has time to implement his vision. Bill was President of the Colts association and hired his son to be GM from 2009 onwards. I do not know what level of control each individual had, but the fact that his son was GM for three years leads me to think that he was handing off the reins to his son and bowing out. I want a guy who is here to do the job, bring in talent and establish something. I'm not sure hiring Bill Polian would be doing that.



It is a fear of the unknown. I understand that Chris may turn out to be a great GM but I rather the Jets sign a guy with some sort of tangible track record, not a guy whose mistakes could be masked by one of the greatest QBs to play the game. I don't think Bill will be here for the long haul. He may have the resume but if he's not going to stay, what's the point? Jets need a long term fix with continuity, not a guy to right the ship a little bit and then head off. What happens if Bill fixes the ship within a year or two and then Woody agrees to hand it off to his son? No track record and we're back to square one hoping he continues what his father established. Would you be okay with hiring Chris Polian this offseason with no Bill Polian coming with him?


70 years old is not ancient. Ronald Reagan was 69 when he became president. If Bill Polian were the GM for 4 or 5 years that should be enough time to build a championship contender. If it is taking more than 4 to 5 years to build a championship contending team then Woody should let Bill Polian go and Chris Polian wouldn't even get a chance to takeover. And if it's fear of the unknown then nobody new would get a chance. Nobody would be able to work there way up the ladder. New blood has to get a chance at some point. We can't have Bill Polian still in the GM's chair when he's 85. Now that would be too old. At some point Bill Polian would have to step down and in this day and age how likely is it that a GM of any team at any age would stay with one team more than 10 years anyway. Plus there is no evidence that Woody would even go along with something like that. If Woody were to let something like what you think would happen to happen, that decision would have to be based off of Colts like results. If Bill Polian in 4 years were able to build a championship contending team like the Colts were for the better part of the last decade, if he were able to luck up on getting the "elite QB" that so many folks around here are salivating for. Then yes I would be willing to support Bill handing off his duties to his son at that point if he wanted to retire again. Like I've said before Chris Polian has shown no indication that he'd do a bad job. He's learned from one of the best and his dad even in retirement would still be an unofficial adviser. He'd only be a phone call away. But if I were Woody I wouldn't deny myself of the opportunity of hiring a great GM with a proven track record just because in a few years he might want to hand off his duties to his son. Chris Polian for all we know could be better than his father just as easily as he could be worse than his father. Sometimes you have to take a chance on the unknown.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:18 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 23 November 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

<br />Sean Payton won't come here. The #1 guy I want is Bill Cowher, he demands respect. I don't believe in there is only one way to win a SB, we got damn close to a SB without a elite QB. The problem is that we suck at running the ball and aren't good on defense either. You don't think Cowher would adjust to a elite QB? He did adjust with Big Ben during that one playoff run and won a SB. The problem is, you have to have a elite QB to be successful throwing it all of the time. The great coaches know how to win without a great QB. I think Cowher would have won another SB or 2 if he kept on coaching, he finally had a great QB. When you have a inconsistent QB running the ball is the best way to cut down on their mistakes that kill you. <br /><br />I rather not hire another rookie HC, that is all Woody Johnson has ever done.<br />


Bill Cowher would have never won anything if he came here, he would have been tossed out after 1 bad season. It took Cowher 15 years to win a SB, no one in the NY area has that kind of patience.

The Jets went to the Championship game twice with Rex and now when there's a bad season the media/fans are ready to toss him to the curb. Do you think Cowher would want to leave his cushy job to come here and put up with that? I doubt it. Jets fans are their own worst enemy.
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View PostMr_Jet, on 26 November 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

70 years old is not ancient. Ronald Reagan was 69 when he became president. If Bill Polian were the GM for 4 or 5 years that should be enough time to build a championship contender. If it is taking more than 4 to 5 years to build a championship contending team then Woody should let Bill Polian go and Chris Polian wouldn't even get a chance to takeover. And if it's fear of the unknown then nobody new would get a chance. Nobody would be able to work there way up the ladder. New blood has to get a chance at some point. We can't have Bill Polian still in the GM's chair when he's 85. Now that would be too old. At some point Bill Polian would have to step down and in this day and age how likely is it that a GM of any team at any age would stay with one team more than 10 years anyway. Plus there is no evidence that Woody would even go along with something like that. If Woody were to let something like what you think would happen to happen, that decision would have to be based off of Colts like results. If Bill Polian in 4 years were able to build a championship contending team like the Colts were for the better part of the last decade, if he were able to luck up on getting the "elite QB" that so many folks around here are salivating for. Then yes I would be willing to support Bill handing off his duties to his son at that point if he wanted to retire again. Like I've said before Chris Polian has shown no indication that he'd do a bad job. He's learned from one of the best and his dad even in retirement would still be an unofficial adviser. He'd only be a phone call away. But if I were Woody I wouldn't deny myself of the opportunity of hiring a great GM with a proven track record just because in a few years he might want to hand off his duties to his son. Chris Polian for all we know could be better than his father just as easily as he could be worse than his father. Sometimes you have to take a chance on the unknown.


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