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Greg Mcelroy......... Wonderlic

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

While Wonderlic scores for qb`s dont always mean much according to how QB succeeds in the NFL a high Wonderlic score cant be a bad thing. Some of the qb`s listed here scored low and are HOF`rs or future HOF`rs but on it looks like on average qb`s with the higher qb seem to have better chances of doing well.
While this doesn't mean Mcelroy is the future or anything more than a game manager his score is something to marvel at.Personally Ive always thought Marks brain doesn't work fast enough to ever be a good NFL qb and Ive said it many times.But hell Mark still scored higher than Chad on the Wonderlic.Either way there is no denying that Mcelroy is really smart with a score few have managed to achieve.Most of the highest scores look they come from guys from Harvard.

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Although Wonderlic scores aren't widely distributed, Greg McElroy is believed to have the highest score in six years. (AP Photo)

While Auburn QB Cam Newton was showing himself off as an athlete at the NFL Scouting Combine on Sunday, a rival quarterback proved he has a quick mind.

Former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy, who led the Crimson Tide to the national championship a year before Newton did it with the Tigers, aced his Wonderlic test, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. The exam is used to test players' mental aptitude, and McElroy correctly answered 48 of the 50 questions correctly in the 12-minute allotted timecframe.

The fact McElroy, unable to participate in Sunday's on-field workout because of an undisclosed injury to his throwing hand, tested so well should not be a surprise because he was a Rhodes Scholar finalist.

Although Wonderlic scores aren't widely distributed, McElroy is believed to have the highest score in six years, matching the score of Bills QB Ryan Fitzpatrick (Harvard). Previously, Chiefs wide receiver Kevin Curtis (Utah State) and Browns tight end Benjamin Watson (Georgia) also had scored a 48. All four men are unofficially tied for third place behind legendary Combine workout warrior Mike Mamula (49) and former Harvard and Bengals punter Pat McInally (50).

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Wonderlic scores of 2010 NFL starting quarterbacks and NFL draft QB prospects


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An NFL source told the Post Wednesday that former Florida Gators quarterback Tim Tebow scored a 22 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test, a 12-minute, 50-question exam given at the NFL Combine that assesses a person's learning and problem-solving abilities.

The score falls slightly below the average score for an NFL quarterback, which is 24.

The average for 30 quarterbacks slated to start in 2010 is even higher, at 28.5. And the average score among the past seven Super Bowl winners is a 30.1.

Wonderlic scores for the NFL's projected starting quarterbacks:

1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48

2. Alex Smith 40

3. Eli Manning 39

4. Matt Stafford 38

5. Tony Romo 37

6. Aaron Rodgers 35

6. Matt Leinart 35

8. Tom Brady 33

9. Matt Ryan 32

10. Matt Schaub 31

11. Philip Rivers 30

12. Matt Hasselbeck 29

12. Marc Bulger 29

12. Brady Quinn 29

15. Mark Sanchez 28

15. Peyton Manning 28

15. Drew Brees 28

18. Josh Freeman 27

18. Joe Flacco 27

20. Carson Palmer 26

20. Jay Cutler 26

20. Kyle Orton 26

23. Ben Roethlisberger 25

24. Jason Campbell 23

25. Brett Favre 22

25. Tim Tebow 22

25. Chad Henne 22

28. Bruce Gradkowski 19

29. Vince Young 15

30. Donovan McNabb 14

30. David Garrard 14

Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore

Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft

Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36

Colt McCoy, Texas 25

Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23

Tebow 22

Other Wonderlic scores of note:

Brian Griese 39

Drew Bledsoe 36

Steve Young 33

John Elway 29

Chad Pennington 25

JaMarcus Russell 24

Mark Brunell 22

Trent Dilfer 22

Michael Vick 20

Daunte Culpepper 18

Dan Marino 15

Randall Cunningham 15

Jim Kelly 15

Terry Bradshaw 15

Chris Leak 8

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

I am suprised to see Chad so low.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:03 AM

McElroy's smarts mean he's not likely to make a ton of mistakes, which is great for a backup. But I'm pretty sure his Wonderlic score isn't going to be the main determinant of whether he can make the jump from dependable backup to solid starter. Yesterday he wasn't asked to do too much, but saying that the touchdown drive he led was well orchestrated. He passed his first minor test, but he'll really show what he can do when he is (and if he is) asked to make downfield throws in critical situations.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:02 PM

View PostSmedsthejet, on 03 December 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

McElroy's smarts mean he's not likely to make a ton of mistakes, which is great for a backup. But I'm pretty sure his Wonderlic score isn't going to be the main determinant of whether he can make the jump from dependable backup to solid starter. Yesterday he wasn't asked to do too much, but saying that the touchdown drive he led was well orchestrated. He passed his first minor test, but he'll really show what he can do when he is (and if he is) asked to make downfield throws in critical situations.

Yup, that is the difference between a starting QB and backup QB. A good backup QB can come in and not make mistakes, manage the game. A good starting QB can win you games. I am interested to see McElroy play an entire game, but I do not think he has the talent to win a game and be a starting QB. Rex claims that Greg has improved his arm strength over the last year or so, but we'll see.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:28 PM

McElroy was in on 28 plays... 21 of those were running plays. I think he is very limited, more so than Pennington was. His only deep ball travelled about 4 seconds in the air.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:03 PM

I will say, Eli and Peyton were the first two QB's to prove that arm strength CAN be improved. Both started throwing the ball much harder as they matured in the NFL.

They used to say you couldn't do it before that.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 03 December 2012 - 04:03 PM, said:

I will say, Eli and Peyton were the first two QB's to prove that arm strength CAN be improved. Both started throwing the ball much harder as they matured in the NFL.

They used to say you couldn't do it before that.

Scouting reports questioned Tom Brady's arm strength as well coming into the NFL, he improved it and is throwing harder than ever.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:41 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 03 December 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Scouting reports questioned Tom Brady's arm strength as well coming into the NFL, he improved it and is throwing harder than ever.


Another one that did the same thing.

Those 3 are the ones who changed thoughts on arm strength.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 03 December 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

McElroy was in on 28 plays... 21 of those were running plays. I think he is very limited, more so than Pennington was. His only deep ball travelled about 4 seconds in the air.

He came in with like 4:17 left in the 3rd and the running game was solid with him behind center. He was what 5 for 7? One in-completion was deliberately thrown away and the other the receiver was over thrown. The only one that was bad was the one when the receiver was held leading to the penalty and without the wr being held I'm pretty sure he would have been in the area of the balls path.

He may have only thrown for 29 yards but he showed more mental aptitude and understanding for the game in the 1 1/4 quarters he was in than Mark shown in almost 3 quarters and most of the games this season.

Also are you seriously going to judge a qb that has had absolutely zero work with the starting offense and almost no work in practice the whole season????

On some other sites some of the Jets fans that went to training camp said he Mcelroy looked better than than Tebow and Sanchez and was the only one that could hit the trash can at all and he did it with accuracy and consistently with a pretty spiral.

Also he easily outplayed the other qbs in preseason both years and once again the 4th preseason game is a game that has value because most of the players have made the team and you have some 1st stringers and a lot of 2nd stringers playing.

Is he going to be average or great? I have no idea but I'm quite sure he will be much better than Mark right off the bat if he is given the chance. Every time he has played he looked good.You dont come into a game with no practice and play that well without having some skill.Ive seen flaws in Sanchez since the first year and have been pointing them out since his second year and none of them have been corrected. Sanchez isn't better and he isn't worse. Mark just doesn't have an amazing team around him anymore to cover up his flaws so they are wide open for everyone to see so Mark just seems worse. Mark isn't NFL caliber and never will be.

No disrespect but I would never ever trust your assessment of a qb`s talents. You are the one than talked all this crap to all the members after the first game of the year totally reaming and disrespecting everyone that doubted Sanchez and was literally shouting that Sanchez had totally become elite level and you knew he was going to be great and the rest of us that had any doubts were stupid....among other things. I dont remember even one other Sanchez supporter that even went even close to going that far.Hell you even upset other Sanchez supporters with that rant and got a one day ban because of the belligerence.

I'm just saying clearly you dont have an eye for judging a qb`s talents.


Give the kid a chance. Mark had 4 years with 4 years of 1st team practice. Mcelroy had 19 minutes playing with almost no practice time and zero first team practice.
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:06 AM

some of you are seeing a lot more from mcelroy then imaginable
i don't know where you are getting some of this stuff from rob
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:14 AM

Now let's hold off before we start slobbering on McElroy's junk. It was what 31 rushing plays out of 38 total plays after McElroy entered the game? Last I heard having a good rushing attack, a great defense, and having a QB that's just managing the game is a bad thing. Or has that changed since yesterday?
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:22 AM

View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

He came in with like 4:17 left in the 3rd and the running game was solid with him behind center. He was what 5 for 7? One in-completion was deliberately thrown away and the other the receiver was over thrown. The only one that was bad was the one when the receiver was held leading to the penalty and without the wr being held I'm pretty sure he would have been in the area of the balls path.


Yea, the flip side to that is that he completed 5 passes for a total of less than 30 yards. That's less than 6 yards per completion. Remember the last 2 years with Chad? Deadly accurate within 10 yards, except when the defenses know you can't punish them, they all play within 8 yards of the LOS and all those completions don't mean squat because they're basically dump offs. Since all you're doing is dinking and dunking, the safeties come up and now your running game isn't going anywhere either because you're constantly playing against 7 in the box. We've been down this road before.


View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

He may have only thrown for 29 yards but he showed more mental aptitude and understanding for the game in the 1 1/4 quarters he was in than Mark shown in almost 3 quarters and most of the games this season.


I didn't see any mental aptitude. I saw a QB hand the ball off 21 times on 28 plays. I saw him float a pass to an uncovered TE. I'm not knocking him, but he played against probably the worst QB to ever play an NFL game (Francesa's description of Lindley) so it wasn't that hard to look competent.


View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Also are you seriously going to judge a qb that has had absolutely zero work with the starting offense and almost no work in practice the whole season????


I'm judging his arm and nothing more. I don't care how many reps he has with what team, when a 30 yards pass attempt travels 4 seconds through the air, you have a shitty arm. I'm not sure how reps will improve that. He looks like he just had Tommy John surgery last week.

View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

On some other sites some of the Jets fans that went to training camp said he Mcelroy looked better than than Tebow and Sanchez and was the only one that could hit the trash can at all and he did it with accuracy and consistently with a pretty spiral.


That's horseshit because I went to training camp. Sanchez is terrific in practice and it's not even close. McElroy looked "okay" but Tebow was god awful. I wrote a big post about it in the summer.


View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Also he easily outplayed the other qbs in preseason both years and once again the 4th preseason game is a game that has value because most of the players have made the team and you have some 1st stringers and a lot of 2nd stringers playing.


Robbie, everyone knows that the 1st stringers are given the 4th week of the preseason off. McElroy looked good against guys that are working in Toyota dealerships right now. His preseason numbers are no where as good as Brett Rattliff's.


View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Is he going to be average or great? I have no idea but I'm quite sure he will be much better than Mark right off the bat if he is given the chance. Every time he has played he looked good.You dont come into a game with no practice and play that well without having some skill.Ive seen flaws in Sanchez since the first year and have been pointing them out since his second year and none of them have been corrected. Sanchez isn't better and he isn't worse. Mark just doesn't have an amazing team around him anymore to cover up his flaws so they are wide open for everyone to see so Mark just seems worse. Mark isn't NFL caliber and never will be.


I don't understand what was so amazing about McElroy's game. He came in, totalled 29 yards and handed the ball off 21 times. I mean, seriously, how low is our bar? I'm not comparing him with Sanchez... first off, I expect a shit ton more from Sanchez than a 3rd stringer, second of all, Mark's body of work is a weighted average with all his recent clusterfucks weighting heavily on his prior successes. I'm not saying that Mark is having a great year, but for everyone to be so excited about a guy who came in and basically just handed the ball off to Greene is insane.

View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

No disrespect but I would never ever trust your assessment of a qb`s talents. You are the one than talked all this crap to all the members after the first game of the year totally reaming and disrespecting everyone that doubted Sanchez and was literally shouting that Sanchez had totally become elite level and you knew he was going to be great and the rest of us that had any doubts were stupid....among other things. I dont remember even one other Sanchez supporter that even went even close to going that far.Hell you even upset other Sanchez supporters with that rant and got a one day ban because of the belligerence.

I'm just saying clearly you dont have an eye for judging a qb`s talents.


I'm also the one that constantly compared Mark to David Carr so lets not act like I'm a Sanchez fanatic.

View PostROBJETS, on 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Give the kid a chance. Mark had 4 years with 4 years of 1st team practice. Mcelroy had 19 minutes playing with almost no practice time and zero first team practice.


In today's NFL, you need a QB that can throw for 300-400 yards in order to win games against good teams. The era of the defenses is gone, that's why the 9ers switched to Kaepernick. You need a QB to keep the safeties deep. You need to be able to spread the defenses out and be able to throw outside the numbers. McElroy is simply not going to cut it. The best case scenario for all of this is that maybe this will be the fire that Sanchez needed. Worst case (and much more likely) we don't have a QB and will bring in Vick next season to compete with Sanchez for the starting job.
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