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azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
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Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:22 AM

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Rex likely will stay, Tannenbaum could be reassigned

Posted by Mike Florio on December 6, 2012, 7:22 PM EST

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Changes are likely coming to the Jets if (when) another season ends without a playoff berth. Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News shed some light during Thursday’s PFT Live on what could happen.

Mehta firmly believes that coach Rex Ryan will be back for a fifth season. So what about G.M. Mike Tannenbaum, who presumably is ultimately responsible for an actual or perceived lack of talent?

Mehta believes that Tannenbaum, who like Ryan is under contract for two more years, will be reassigned. Which is a kind way of saying demoted.

It wouldn’t be unprecedented. When Tannenbaum became the General Manager, the team’s former G.M., Terry Bradway, was reassigned. Which was a kind way of saying demoted.

If Mehta’s presumably educated hunch is accurate, it means that the team would need a new G.M., possibly someone with a background in scouting.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out. And it was interesting to hear for the first time the possibility that both Ryan and Tannenbaum will stay, but that Tannebaum’s job duties will change.

You can hear it for yourself by checking out the segment from Thursday’s PFT Live.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:28 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 07 December 2012 - 01:22 AM, said:


He was brought here by Parcells to be in charge of the cap and was good at it. Clearly he is in over his head as GM. Aside from Wilkerson, he has had very little success in the draft since 2007. I just wonder if anyone would want the job given the depth of problems and circus like environment.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

My problem with this is that if we keep Rex for one more year, but hire a new GM, what happens in a year? Is Rex going to have to win for his job in 2013? If so, isn't he at a disadvantage seeing as how he must win with the squad that was deemed bad enough to get it's chief architect "reassigned"? Also, shouldn't we be a little concerned that if we go this route, hiring a new GM next year and looking for a new HC in 2014, we'll be disqualifying ourselves from the top coaches who often want to be their own GMs?
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:09 AM

I think that would be a good overall move. Personally I think if you give Rex a solid (does not have to be great) team he will win games. The team we have now is pretty bad from a talent standpoint and the fact we guaranteed Sanchez's deal baffles me. No one on this site nor any reporter knows what is going on behind closed doors so this could be some of Woody's responsibility as well. I think keeping Tanny in a cap role is a good move. That is his claim to fame. The question is will another team make a move for him?
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:47 AM

View Postazjetfan, on 07 December 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

I think keeping Tanny in a cap role is a good move. That is his claim to fame. The question is will another team make a move for him?


:hysterical:

His reputation is the guy that ruined a franchise qb. I don't think his agent's phone will be ringing off the hook.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:52 AM

Manish doesn't know what hes talking about most of the time, so I'll believe it when I see it. It would be awesome if Tannenbaum was put back in a salary cap role and we got a real football mind at GM.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 07 December 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

:hysterical:/>

His reputation is the guy that ruined a franchise qb. I don't think his agent's phone will be ringing off the hook.

I don't know if that is accurate. Sanchez, Shitty and Rex have to be at blame as well. He is a cap guru and has made some great trades and won some players in FA like Pace, Faneca, Tomlinson ect... He has skills he just does not know how to evaluate talent.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 02:50 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 07 December 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

he just does not know how to evaluate talent.


Hence why his agent's phone will not be ringing off the hook
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 07 December 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Hence why his agent's phone will not be ringing off the hook

He wont be going to a top tier team like the Steelers, Pats, Ect, but teams like the Browns, Bengals Bucs, Phins would make a run at him IMO. I never said his phone would be ringing off the hook, but he would have teams interested if we just fired him. He should stay with us at a lesser role or even one where he does not have final say in players
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:26 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 07 December 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:

He is a cap guru and has made some great trades and won some players in FA like Pace, Faneca, Tomlinson ect... He has skills he just does not know how to evaluate talent.


Lets be honest, his best trade was to his buddy Mangini for the Sanchez pick. Outside of that, he gambles on players that wore out their welcome on their teams with the hope of turning them around. He lucked out with Cro, he bombed with Holmes. He usually gives up mid round picks for malcontent players with production. It's the BB formula, except BB stockpiles picks so when these trades don't work out, the Pats move on fairly quickly. Tanny forgot that part so when he trades picks away, those players better work out, otherwise we're stuck with guys like Chaz Schillens and Clyde Gates.

His record with FAs is shitty to say the least. Out of the guys he "lured", he basically paid more than anyone else. He lured them in the same way that Steinbrenner "lured" players to the Yankees: paying them more than what they were worth. Pace and Faneca were made the highest paid players at their respective positions at the time of their signings. He "lured" Bart Scott by giving him an extra year on his contract (which the Ravens refused to do)... and now we're stuck with him because he has outlived his usefullness. LT was a decent signing I guess, but what was the market for him?
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 04:54 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Lets be honest, his best trade was to his buddy Mangini for the Sanchez pick. Outside of that, he gambles on players that wore out their welcome on their teams with the hope of turning them around. He lucked out with Cro, he bombed with Holmes. He usually gives up mid round picks for malcontent players with production. It's the BB formula, except BB stockpiles picks so when these trades don't work out, the Pats move on fairly quickly. Tanny forgot that part so when he trades picks away, those players better work out, otherwise we're stuck with guys like Chaz Schillens and Clyde Gates.

If we are being honest lets do that. Bombed with Holmes???? WTF are you talking about. We gave a 4th for a starting WR. Its not his fault Mark can't get him the ball. Yea he may be mouthy but he was right. Lucked out on Cro???? Come on man give credit where its due. I am by no way saying the man is doing a great job but outside of this year we have had a competitve football team under him. Your draft pick point is accurate. He has mishandled picks, Although thats easy to say in hindsight. Our drafting has been weak since Mangini left. Although I think most Jets fans agreed at the time giving a 4th for Tebow was stupid. My opinion is Tanny saw this team was shitty and needed to sell tickets and jerseys.

We did not pay Pace more than The Dolphins offered. Do you remember the whole Bill Parcells VS. Tanny bit? Faneca at the time was the best LG in the league and not only played well for a couple years but helped mentor Brick and Mangold as rookies. When he was cut what was the cap hit? Well worth it. Tomlinson was also considering the Vikings, Miami, 49ers and Raiders. We did not overpay for him.

And after all this we are not even taking into the fact that this is a business and there are other factors involved.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

43 yrs without a super bowl contending team with 100,000 tangibles and counting . they need to change the goal to another 43 yrs to not have a non contending Team set as the goal .
it could not hurt . or send the team to another city where coaches would actuallly want to come to and Be a Jet coach .these are 2 tangibles that have not been attempted Jersey doesn't count.
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Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 07 December 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

If we are being honest lets do that. Bombed with Holmes???? WTF are you talking about. We gave a 4th for a starting WR. Its not his fault Mark can't get him the ball. Yea he may be mouthy but he was right. Lucked out on Cro???? Come on man give credit where its due. I am by no way saying the man is doing a great job but outside of this year we have had a competitve football team under him. Your draft pick point is accurate. He has mishandled picks, Although thats easy to say in hindsight. Our drafting has been weak since Mangini left. Although I think most Jets fans agreed at the time giving a 4th for Tebow was stupid. My opinion is Tanny saw this team was shitty and needed to sell tickets and jerseys.

We did not pay Pace more than The Dolphins offered. Do you remember the whole Bill Parcells VS. Tanny bit? Faneca at the time was the best LG in the league and not only played well for a couple years but helped mentor Brick and Mangold as rookies. When he was cut what was the cap hit? Well worth it. Tomlinson was also considering the Vikings, Miami, 49ers and Raiders. We did not overpay for him.

And after all this we are not even taking into the fact that this is a business and there are other factors involved.


There is a big difference between being a #1 receiver good teams want and a #1 receiver for the Raiders-level teams. The Jets and Redskins considered Santana Moss a #1...do you think the Patriots did?

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1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:10 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 07 December 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

If we are being honest lets do that. Bombed with Holmes???? WTF are you talking about. We gave a 4th for a starting WR. Its not his fault Mark can't get him the ball. Yea he may be mouthy but he was right. Lucked out on Cro???? Come on man give credit where its due. I am by no way saying the man is doing a great job but outside of this year we have had a competitve football team under him. Your draft pick point is accurate. He has mishandled picks, Although thats easy to say in hindsight. Our drafting has been weak since Mangini left. Although I think most Jets fans agreed at the time giving a 4th for Tebow was stupid. My opinion is Tanny saw this team was shitty and needed to sell tickets and jerseys.

We did not pay Pace more than The Dolphins offered. Do you remember the whole Bill Parcells VS. Tanny bit? Faneca at the time was the best LG in the league and not only played well for a couple years but helped mentor Brick and Mangold as rookies. When he was cut what was the cap hit? Well worth it. Tomlinson was also considering the Vikings, Miami, 49ers and Raiders. We did not overpay for him.

And after all this we are not even taking into the fact that this is a business and there are other factors involved.


I think that the Holmes trade bit us in the ass. Hindsight is 20/20, but how has Holmes helped Sanchez? Yes he was a reliable target for one year, then he was a cancer for another year and now he's hurt and may not be ready until next summer. The thing about the Steelers trade is that they knew he was a cancer, they basically kicked him off the team. We "traded" for him only because Pittsburgh didn't want him. They didn't want a diva who thinks he's a #1 WR with one year left on his rookie deal who's going to be looking for a contract soon and doesn't have the production to warrant the kind of payday he'll seek. Tanny got him for a 4th rounder because the risk was high. Bad attitude guy, history of suspensions, looking for a new contract. Yea he's a good WR. Was he worth a 4th rounder? Yes. Was he worth a 4th rounder with the intention of giving him $9 mil per year (avg)? No.

Faneca was a great player, but he was a LG. OGs are generally the least paid OLs yet Tanny made him the highest paid OL in football, not the highest paid OG, but the highest paid OL. He threw the kitchen sink at him, and I think it was worth it. He was a great player for us for all the reasons you mentioned... but making someone the highest paid ever isn't good negotiating... it's just the willingness to be the last guy with your hand up.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:09 AM

It was a fifth round pick and the Steelers were lucky to get that. They wanted to do anything to get rid of him.

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1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:21 AM

View Posta1elbow2.0, on 08 December 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

It was a fifth round pick and the Steelers were lucky to get that. They wanted to do anything to get rid of him.


Exactly.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

View Postgmany3k, on 07 December 2012 - 06:52 PM, said:

43 yrs without a super bowl contending team with 100,000 tangibles and counting . they need to change the goal to another 43 yrs to not have a non contending Team set as the goal .
it could not hurt . or send the team to another city where coaches would actuallly want to come to and Be a Jet coach .these are 2 tangibles that have not been attempted Jersey doesn't count.
3rd maybe a have a reality TV contest like American Idol except for Coaches & GM. Kenny Mane could probable do this better than Me. :)

Things suck but send the team to another city??? Drink some more.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:13 PM

View Posta1elbow2.0, on 07 December 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

There is a big difference between being a #1 receiver good teams want and a #1 receiver for the Raiders-level teams. The Jets and Redskins considered Santana Moss a #1...do you think the Patriots did?

If holmes had Brady or Manning throwing to him everyone would want him. Look at Welker, Woodhead Dallas Clark ect... All average players but with a QB are much better. Holmes has Sanchez throwing him the ball.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 07 December 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

I think that the Holmes trade bit us in the ass. Hindsight is 20/20, but how has Holmes helped Sanchez? Yes he was a reliable target for one year, then he was a cancer for another year and now he's hurt and may not be ready until next summer. The thing about the Steelers trade is that they knew he was a cancer, they basically kicked him off the team. We "traded" for him only because Pittsburgh didn't want him. They didn't want a diva who thinks he's a #1 WR with one year left on his rookie deal who's going to be looking for a contract soon and doesn't have the production to warrant the kind of payday he'll seek. Tanny got him for a 4th rounder because the risk was high. Bad attitude guy, history of suspensions, looking for a new contract. Yea he's a good WR. Was he worth a 4th rounder? Yes. Was he worth a 4th rounder with the intention of giving him $9 mil per year (avg)? No.

I see your points although disagree with his talent level and value at the time of trade. His injury this year is irrelavant to the trade value or contract since non of us have a crystal ball. Your question about what has he done for Sanchez? I would reverse that, because Sanchez has done nothing for Holmes. Yea he is a diva but worth a 5th rounder all day. His new contract does not even put him in the top 10 for WRs. http://www.numeroten...011-in-the-nfl/ . The structure of his deal is the problem. He is gauranteed next years money. But without him who is left on the roster? Kerley? A number 3 at best. Hill? We will see but so far looks like an average player at best. Jury is still out. His value for the Jets is high.

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Faneca was a great player, but he was a LG. OGs are generally the least paid OLs yet Tanny made him the highest paid OL in football, not the highest paid OG, but the highest paid OL. He threw the kitchen sink at him, and I think it was worth it. He was a great player for us for all the reasons you mentioned... but making someone the highest paid ever isn't good negotiating... it's just the willingness to be the last guy with your hand up.


I think you are missing the point about what he brought to the team. His value with us was more than just a LG. Like a I said IMO he was brought here to help Brick and Mangold become what they are today as much as play LG. Imagine id Mangold or Brick went the other direction. His contract was not much more than Hutchinson's deal the year before. What one team sees value in a player may not agree with another team. We not only needed a LG but we needed a guy to mentor. At the time he was worth it.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:52 PM

2013 Super Bowl is at MetLife. I'm sure Woody isn't going to want to clean house a season before the big game in his own home. It's possible for the Jets to contend next year IF they are able to get some talent in during the draft and free agency along with a healthy Revis and Holmes. Rex has given himself some leeway with the team's performance during his first two years (whether you agree with the sentiment or not is a different story). This is probably the best course of action for now. See how Rex and Sanchez perform with the extra and final year (their contracts end together in 2013). If they bomb yet again, give them the boot. The new GM gets his pick (HC & QB) and the Jets start all over...again :vava:

It's not the most popular sentiment but, in my eyes, it's the only one that makes sense.
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