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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Why Sanchez Is Uncuttable And Will Be Back In 2013

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

You’ve been hearing a lot about how the Jets are stuck with QB Mark Sanchez for 2013 because of his contract. Here’s an explanation on why that likely is the case:

Sanchez's salary-cap number for next season is $12.8 million. If the Jets cut him, they will incur a crippling $17.1 million cap charge in 2013, according to figures obtained by ESPNNewYork.com. That bloated charge would include his $8.25 million salary guarantee. There’s no off-set in the contract, meaning the Jets are on the hook for the entire salary regardless of how much he receives from another team. They could designate him as a June 1 cut. That would spread the cap charge over two seasons -- $12.35 million in ’13 and $4.8 million in ’14. Bottom line: He’s uncuttable.

If the Jets trade Sanchez, they’d get hit with an $8.9 million cap charge in ’13, but no team in its right mind would pick up the $8.25 million guarantee. They could renegotiate the contract, the way the Rams did with OT Jason Smith before trading him to the Jets. But that still would require the Jets to pay a large chunk of the $8.25 million guarantee – and that would count on the ’13 cap. Even if another team is willing to pay half -- I'm being generous -- the Jets still would get stuck with about $13 million in “dead” money – and they’d have to write him a $4 million-plus check to go away.

Unless Sanchez is willing to make some concessions – maybe he’ll be desperate for a change of scenery – it looks like he’ll be back in 2013. We might not be able to say the same for the people who thought it was a wise move to renegotiate his contract last offseason.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:58 PM

If I was sanchez i would tell them to renegotiate my nuts
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 09 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

You’ve been hearing a lot about how the Jets are stuck with QB Mark Sanchez for 2013 because of his contract. Here’s an explanation on why that likely is the case:

Sanchez's salary-cap number for next season is $12.8 million. If the Jets cut him, they will incur a crippling $17.1 million cap charge in 2013, according to figures obtained by ESPNNewYork.com. That bloated charge would include his $8.25 million salary guarantee. There’s no off-set in the contract, meaning the Jets are on the hook for the entire salary regardless of how much he receives from another team. They could designate him as a June 1 cut. That would spread the cap charge over two seasons -- $12.35 million in ’13 and $4.8 million in ’14. Bottom line: He’s uncuttable.

If the Jets trade Sanchez, they’d get hit with an $8.9 million cap charge in ’13, but no team in its right mind would pick up the $8.25 million guarantee. They could renegotiate the contract, the way the Rams did with OT Jason Smith before trading him to the Jets. But that still would require the Jets to pay a large chunk of the $8.25 million guarantee – and that would count on the ’13 cap. Even if another team is willing to pay half -- I'm being generous -- the Jets still would get stuck with about $13 million in “dead” money – and they’d have to write him a $4 million-plus check to go away.

Unless Sanchez is willing to make some concessions – maybe he’ll be desperate for a change of scenery – it looks like he’ll be back in 2013. We might not be able to say the same for the people who thought it was a wise move to renegotiate his contract last off season.

Agree with everything you said. And I would still make him a June 1 cut. My reason is that I believe McElroy is a better QB than Sanchez and he costs us next to nothing. So putting McElroy in as the starter and a normal backup would not cost us much more than the normal QB position costs and we could at least move forward. Sanchez is not miraculously going to turn it around so every year we have him is another year down the drain. OR, we could simply switch their roles so Sanchez backs up McElroy. No change on salary cap. No matter what, we need to move forward. This organization has gone from credible to a joke very rapidly. We have a GM who can't evaluate talent consistently, a coach who can't see what everyone else sees plainly and a QB who is worse now than when he was a rookie. Not good.
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:38 PM

View Postchocomag, on 14 December 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Agree with everything you said. And I would still make him a June 1 cut. My reason is that I believe McElroy is a better QB than Sanchez and he costs us next to nothing. So putting McElroy in as the starter and a normal backup would not cost us much more than the normal QB position costs and we could at least move forward. Sanchez is not miraculously going to turn it around so every year we have him is another year down the drain. OR, we could simply switch their roles so Sanchez backs up McElroy. No change on salary cap. No matter what, we need to move forward. This organization has gone from credible to a joke very rapidly. We have a GM who can't evaluate talent consistently, a coach who can't see what everyone else sees plainly and a QB who is worse now than when he was a rookie. Not good.


But what regular backup would you bring in to challenge McElroy? There are few decent second string guys around the league who would be capable of providing much quality competition as a #2 QB, and fewer with anywhere near as much meaningful playing time as Sanchez. Anointing McElroy the starter with no viable backup would just be a huge gamble to take.

Unless we draft another QB in the early rounds of the draft - which would likely mean we neglect other equally pressing needs, then the best case scenario (or best worst given how frustrating it is not to have a settled situation under centre) both strategically and financially would be to keep Sanchez and chuck him into a true QB competition with McElroy and whoever else is on the roster. (Let's assume Tebow is out of the question here as he's not gotten close to a claim to play QB this year.)
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:25 AM

We should have Sanchez wear #6 and then people will think he is Tebow. The Tebow fans don't know what it looks like when Tebow plays, so they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostSmedsthejet, on 14 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

But what regular backup would you bring in to challenge McElroy? There are few decent second string guys around the league who would be capable of providing much quality competition as a #2 QB, and fewer with anywhere near as much meaningful playing time as Sanchez. Anointing McElroy the starter with no viable backup would just be a huge gamble to take.

Unless we draft another QB in the early rounds of the draft - which would likely mean we neglect other equally pressing needs, then the best case scenario (or best worst given how frustrating it is not to have a settled situation under centre) both strategically and financially would be to keep Sanchez and chuck him into a true QB competition with McElroy and whoever else is on the roster. (Let's assume Tebow is out of the question here as he's not gotten close to a claim to play QB this year.)

To begin with we have to understand there is no ideal answer to any of this. We have management that for some reason that eludes me felt it necessary to reward Sanchez last year for having a bad season and for them not being able to lure Manning to this disorganization. Once that was done, unless he proved worthy (and we all know he didn't - get that Rex - HE DIDN'T and WON'T) we were screwed. So, drafting another QB relatively high would be stupid as this years crop on paper is not good and we have too many other holes. I say we proceed with McElroy and leave Sanchez on the bench as the number 2. David Carr was horrendous and he is the number 2 of the Giants. We can live with that for Sanchez. But if we want to bring someone in to challenge McElroy then we are not settling things down but making them more fluid. That's something this team doesn't need right now. The kid won a National Championship. Build the defense, release Scott, Thomas and MAYBE Pace, sign Landry and get our guys healthy. On offense, keep Edwards, Holmes, Kerley and Keller/Cumberland, as our mainstays. Keep Powell and McKnight and let Greene go (hate to but he is a free agent and Powell is better)and draft LB's that can pressure the passer. With a healthy Revis to go with Bell, Cromartie and Landry and our front 4, we are a Von Miller typw away from a very very good defense. Then McElroy would have to manage the offense and he should be excellent at that.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

View Postchocomag, on 18 December 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

To begin with we have to understand there is no ideal answer to any of this. We have management that for some reason that eludes me felt it necessary to reward Sanchez last year for having a bad season and for them not being able to lure Manning to this disorganization. Once that was done, unless he proved worthy (and we all know he didn't - get that Rex - HE DIDN'T and WON'T) we were screwed. So, drafting another QB relatively high would be stupid as this years crop on paper is not good and we have too many other holes. I say we proceed with McElroy and leave Sanchez on the bench as the number 2. David Carr was horrendous and he is the number 2 of the Giants. We can live with that for Sanchez. But if we want to bring someone in to challenge McElroy then we are not settling things down but making them more fluid. That's something this team doesn't need right now. The kid won a National Championship. Build the defense, release Scott, Thomas and MAYBE Pace, sign Landry and get our guys healthy. On offense, keep Edwards, Holmes, Kerley and Keller/Cumberland, as our mainstays. Keep Powell and McKnight and let Greene go (hate to but he is a free agent and Powell is better)and draft LB's that can pressure the passer. With a healthy Revis to go with Bell, Cromartie and Landry and our front 4, we are a Von Miller typw away from a very very good defense. Then McElroy would have to manage the offense and he should be excellent at that.


Awesome! Agree with everything you said except one thing. Trade Revis for draft picks.....There done. We are competitive and potentially a pleasure to watch with a lot of new talent... Well provided Tanny can find some.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:57 PM

Are we really on this trade Revis for draft picks bullshit again?
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:59 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 18 December 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Are we really on this trade Revis for draft picks bullshit again?


Yea. I love watching Kyle Wilson in coverage. We need to draft a G and a TE so to hell with the best guy to come around in a generation to play CB.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 18 December 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

Yea. I love watching Kyle Wilson in coverage. We need to draft a G and a TE so to hell with the best guy to come around in a generation to play CB.


It's funny, I said it before...all these older Jets fans always want to bitch and moan about never hitting it big on a player, and when the team finally gets someone who will go down as one of, if not the best player to play his position, they want him traded
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 18 December 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Are we really on this trade Revis for draft picks bullshit again?


I wish I could tie people who say "trade Revis" to a chair and make them watch every play the Jets ever had on defense during the Herm Edwards era.

View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:48 PM

now I know why fireman ed said nope no more
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:33 AM

View Postwichitacommish, on 18 December 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Awesome! Agree with everything you said except one thing. Trade Revis for draft picks.....There done. We are competitive and potentially a pleasure to watch with a lot of new talent... Well provided Tanny can find some.

I think you believe if we traded Revis for draft picks we would get a boatload and they would all turn out to be starters. Think about how many draft picks never pan out against possibly one of the greatest corners to ever play the game. I say possibly because he hasn't played long enough and he is coming off that knee.

But I for one would not trade him (see Adrian Peterson and his knee as he attempts to break the all time rushing record). he is not just a great player but a leader and heaven knows we need some of that.

I say we should face reality and draft defense plus a tackle and work with McElroy. Change GM's and that will stabilize the franchise for the year and allow us to evaluate talent rather than jump to stupid conclusions as the Jets did more than once.
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