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santana Icon : (02 January 2017 - 02:19 PM) but he would be ideal if the jets were to flush bowles out
santana Icon : (02 January 2017 - 04:36 PM) http://www.nj.com/je...trol_of_je.html
azjetfan Icon : (05 January 2017 - 09:54 PM) Sean Payton will get another HC gig. Obrien would be good.
azjetfan Icon : (09 January 2017 - 11:18 PM) Howard from Alabama seems legit. #88 TE
azjetfan Icon : (09 January 2017 - 11:20 PM) Williams the WR from Clemson looks like they are out to get him. He has taken some huge hits
vjdbbq Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:12 AM) We'll take Williams in the first round .
Chadforpresi... Icon : (10 January 2017 - 10:48 AM) I'd love Howard in the 2nd round if he's still there. I like Williams a lot as well, but I just don't see WR being big enough of a need, and there should be better talent on the board at 6
Jetsfan115 Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:21 PM) Raiders OC Musgrave not expected to return to OAK. what do you think about getting him? he did wonders with the oakland offense this year
Chadforpresi... Icon : (10 January 2017 - 07:39 PM) Definitely an appealing choice given with his history of progressing Carr. We need someone with a track record of grooming young QBs
MikeGangGree... Icon : (12 January 2017 - 12:36 PM) I want Watson now! after what he did Monday night I'm sold on him at QB. He moved the ball all night on Alabama and after hurts scored that TD he just told his team "Lets end this"
Jetsfan115 Icon : (12 January 2017 - 06:31 PM) An Ohio prosecutor says he wants to know what punishment Cincinnati Bengals player Adam "Pacman" Jones faces from the NFL before deciding how to proceed over Jones' latest arrest, Dan Sewell of the Associated Press reports..

Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters tells WKRC-TV he's asking "what is the normal" for a player with multiple offenses and who's been suspended before.

An NFL spokesman said on Thursday that Jones' case is "under review" and declined to comment further.

Jones was jailed Jan. 3 on charges he head-butted police and spit on a nurse after his arrest for assault. Authorities say he was so combative he had to be placed in a restraint chair.

Jones says he anticipates the charges will be dismissed.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (12 January 2017 - 06:32 PM) we wont get watson. he's going 1st overall to the browns
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:06 PM) Is Watson a product of Clemson's staff and supporting cast? Taj Boyd also put up some decent numbers if I remember correctly but he couldn't even make a scout team in the NFL.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:11 PM) From what I have read (although limited) he is not the highest ranked QB in the draft.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:11 PM) "No quarterback in this draft -- not Mitch Trubisky, not Watson, not DeShone Kizer -- is considered a sure thing. The folks at Scouts Inc. rank Trubisky, Watson and Kizer as the 21st, 38th and 46th prospects on their big board, respectively." ESPN
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:12 PM) If we can get a decent return for Richardson we may be able to make a move into the mid teens to early 20s if the Brass really likes Watson.
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 09:13 PM) Personally I don't think the jets have a clue on who they will take. We still have to hit FA and manage our roster
azjetfan Icon : (12 January 2017 - 11:46 PM) Jets to interview Broncos assistant Studesville for OC
Jetsfan115 Icon : (13 January 2017 - 01:28 PM) Why? seems like a weird choice
Jetsfan115 Icon : (13 January 2017 - 01:29 PM) Leonard Williams replacing Khalil Mack in Pro Bowl
Chadforpresi... Icon : (13 January 2017 - 09:49 PM) I'm not buying Watson, even after that championship game. Dude threw too many picks in his day
Chadforpresi... Icon : (13 January 2017 - 09:49 PM) I'm really curious to see what we get for Richardson, but I have a bad feeling his value is at an all time low between his crap season and bad attitude
azjetfan Icon : (14 January 2017 - 12:16 AM) I agree. He is a first round talent but a fourth round headache. We will be lucky to get a 2nd
Chadforpresi... Icon : (14 January 2017 - 08:41 AM) Yeah precisely. 2nd rounder would be a huge stretch. 3rd or 4th is more likely
vjdbbq Icon : (14 January 2017 - 02:18 PM) Send Sheldon someplace he will never see the playoffs ; like Jacksonville ; then he will have time to find da ho's .
azjetfan Icon : (14 January 2017 - 07:25 PM) R Sherman is getting torched by the Falcons.
vjdbbq Icon : (16 January 2017 - 09:37 AM) Pats vs Pitt - root for injuries
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 January 2017 - 12:36 PM) GB-ATL game is gonna be a hell of a shootout. that throw rodgers made on 3rd and 20 with 12 seconds left in a tied game was ridiculous. 35 yards rolling out to his left a perfect placed ball on the sideline.
azjetfan Icon : (16 January 2017 - 10:50 PM) Winters resigned to 4 year deal. $7 million per year
Chadforpresi... Icon : (16 January 2017 - 10:51 PM) Seems like a slightly steep price but overall cool with it, he's turned into a good player and is still young. Just needs to stay healthy.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (17 January 2017 - 04:12 PM) seems like a good deal. they were saying he could have earned over 8 million in the open market
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) Where's Rob ?
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) Is he looking for a new ass ?
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:12 AM) :saythat:
vjdbbq Icon : (18 January 2017 - 08:13 AM) :trink39:
Jetsfan115 Icon : (18 January 2017 - 01:32 PM) 4 years 29 mil 15 mil guarenteed. so 7.25mil a year for winters. a nice bargain. he took a hometown discount. seems like a good guy. well done winters and mac
Jetsfan115 Icon : (18 January 2017 - 04:33 PM) Jets hire Dennard Wilson as defensive backs coach
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 January 2017 - 04:01 PM) Trump to name Jets' owner Woody Johnson U.K. ambassador
vjdbbq Icon : (19 January 2017 - 06:04 PM) Maybe Woody will take the Jets with him to London . PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Jetsfan115 Icon : (20 January 2017 - 11:13 AM) Mark Gastineau says he has dementia, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 07:54 AM) f***ing Pats again
vjdbbq Icon : (Yesterday, 07:54 AM) :sterb003: Tom Brady
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 03:00 PM) If the pats manage to win again I hope they cow tip goodell right at the podium
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:00 PM) in 2 weeks i'm gonna be the biggest falcons fan for a day LMAO
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Offseason Moves Repairing the Jets

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:55 PM

Okay, so I know I don't talk on here very often, but I am willing to try to engage in a productive debate on some offseason moves. I know some people's feelings in here, so I ask you speak with facts and leave everything else out. You have something productive to add, add it. if not, I just won't respond.

So, based on if we get the 7th overall pick in the draft, this is what I would like to see to improve the Jets. (All draft selections are based on my opinion of players in the round they are projected to go in by McShay and http://www.cbssports...ctrankings/2013 so I am not randomly selecting round, I just am picking players based on their CURRENT values).


First things first. Cut/Let Go list: Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Bryan Thomas, Clyde Gates, Chaz Schilens, Matt Slauson, Rueland, Hadyn Smith, and of course Sparano and TANNY! Can't do any of this with them.

Trades (Here is where I know it will get ugly.)

1. Sanchez to ANYWHERE for a 5th: We will pay at least half his salary, but a pick is better than nothing.


2. Tebow, Green, 2013 4th rd., and 2014 conditional pick for Maurice Jones-Drew: Jones-Drew wants out, but Jags won't give up the face of their Franchise. So give them a bigger face of the Franchise, publicity-wise, in Tebow and add on a back who should be comming off of back-to-back 1k yard season (could have been 3 in a row if he played the last game a couple years ago), and some draft picks and its a fair trade. We all know Green isn't great but that's how the Jets have to sell him to the Jags FO. Jones-Drew being injured most of the season makes this possible, otherwise we would have to give a much higher pick in this years draft.

Free Agents: NONE! not none as in no one but NONE as in no one of significance. Sign a cheap depth player here of there but dont bother with Free Agency this year. Jets have done enough FA moves over the past few years to last them a decade, and none of them had the overall picture in mind. O-line depth should be the priority.


Re-sign:
Keller, Landry, Edwards.

Draft:

1st. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame: We need ILB's that can cover, and with 7 ints this season, he has proven he has great coverage ability for a LB. He is also the leader of a stout Notre Dame defense that is one of the best in the country, especially against the run(which the Jets need help desperately at stopping), including making 2 crucial goal-line stands that put them in the National Title game. He can bring leadership, youth, attitude, and coverage ability that is desperately needed in the defense.

(Trade 5th and 2nd to move up in 2nd) 2nd. Qb Aaron Murray Georgia: Expect him to move up but right now he is listed as a 2nd rounder and 4th qb overall. Also, this is not a big qb class so I don't expect many teams to try to take qbs early. Murray has done well against the speedy defenses in the SEC and has a very solid TD-INT ratio, currently 31-8. Tack on an impressive performance in the SEC championship game and it shows he can perform in big games. I personally don't see him as a great right now, but then again I did not think that Matthew Stafford would do much and he is showing some promise so I trust the Georgia Staff's ability to develop qbs. This is a chance for the Jets to do things right with a young qb.



3rd. WR Stedman Bailey WVU: Bailey is not big, 5'10" but the Jets went for big last year and look where that got them. The Jets need a playmaker and the 2nd team All-American Bailey is definately that. I have no idea how he is only projected as a 3rd rounder by multiple sources, but his playmaking ability is something the Jets DESPERATELY need. He would also provide a reliable target for Murray to grow up with. He has back to back 1,200 + yard, double digit td seasons, with over 100 grabs, 15k yards and 24 tds this season.

5th: OG Sam Brenner Utah: Brenner has only allowed 2 sack in the past 2 years and is a second team all-conference player. Brenner could greatly upgrade the pass protection at LG, a spot in desperate need of that with the mental and physical ineptitude of Slauson, which has plagued the Jets over the past couple seasons.

6th: OLB Michael Mauti Penn State: A high intensisty player that has a high motor, is decisive, and is a big hitter. He can make an immediate impact on special teams while adding much needed youth and depth to the position. He reads plays well, reacts well, and plays the game with passion and intensity. He is exactly what the Jets need and could fall to us here due to injury.


7th: TE Joseph Fauria UCLA: Fauria is a huge target at 6'7" that can help the Jets redzone woes. He is not a physical blocker but he would be the 3rd te at the start of his career anyway. He has the size to block so if the Jets can develop him, he could become an all around TE. But with little expectations out of a 7th round pick, his size, athleticism, and pass catching abilitiy, makes him a desirable target in the redzone that any qb, especially a rookie, would love. His 12 td catches this year is a testiment to how much he helps his team finish drives.


2013 Starting lineups:

Offense

QB: Aaron Murray, McElroy

Rb: Maurice Jones-Drew, Powell, McKnight

FB: Lex Hilliard

WR: Holmes, Edwards Kerely, Stedman Bailey, Hill

TE: Keller, Cumberland, Jospeh Fauria

Lt: Dbrick LG: Sam Brenner C: Mangold RG: Moore RT: Howard


Defense: Rex continues to move closer to a 4-3 base defense, even though the base defense is rarely on the field anyway, so objections to this style should take that into consideration.

LE: Mo Wilk NT: Pouha DT: Devito Re:Coples

Will: Harris Mike: Manti Te'o Sam: McIntyre

CB: Revis, Cro, Wilson, Trufant, Lankster

FS: Landry SS: Bell, Smith



Harris' lack of speed wouldn't be as much of a problem at weakside linebacker, and he would see less blockers comming at him. This way he can hopefully return to a good form with less responsibility and only the short side of the field to cover against the pass.

McIntyre continues to impress with every game and has earned a starting spot. when we go to nickle you can take out Devito and move McIntyre to a pass rushing position. Michael Mauti will be waiting in the wings as depth for whichever OLB lacks in efficency.


If this were all to happen, however unlikely it is, The defense will have so much added youth, speed, and be better against both the pass and the run. Hopefully Coples and Wilkerson continue to develop to make a pass rush, and McIntyre continues to help out in that area. The offense also is improved by adding pass-blocking at LG, while still giving the OLINE continuity and a chance to improve things, as well as adding a much needed playmaker in Stedman Bailey, adding a rushing attack with a premeire back, adding a redzone target in Joseph Fauria, and providing a qb of the future in Murray.

Murray would have a great back to handoff too, hopefully an improved line to protect him, established veterans in Edwards, Holmes, Kerley and Keller to throw to, as well as adding two targets to grow up with in the league in Bailey and Fauria.


And all this happened in one offseason, with only one big contract added (Jones-Drew) and while getting rid of several big contracts. It might not make the Jets Super bowl Champs, but it will provide a solid foundation to build upon. One or two things might be a little unrealistic, but there is always room for hope, and its hard to tell how things will pan out until the draft is set and every game has been played.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:03 PM

Almost forgot: The WR situation allows the Jets to at least try and develop Hill, or buy him a pair of hands.


And if the Jones-Drew Trade cant go down, Still get rid of Green, Trade tebow to the Jags for any pick you can get, and make Steven Jackson your one big splash offseason signing of the year to please Woody.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:51 PM

Greene is in the last year of his contract so I don't think a move like that for MJD is going to happen (wouldn't be opposed to it though if they can pull off something similar). I do think they need to get an experienced QB in there instead of trading up for another rookie project. I really do not want this team to go through these growing pains for the foreseeable future. I disagree on the approach to FA also, they really do need to spend some money this FA period on the offense. I don't want Howard going into the season as the starting RT next season. Honestly, I think they should move D'Brick to RT and sign someone like Clady to take over at LT. The mismanagement of money is gonna screw with this teams approach to signing talent for the next couple of years, but they need experienced vets on offense and they need to rely on the draft for the defense.
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 10:35 PM

If whoever the GM is can steal a 5th rounder for Sanchez while only covering half his salary, he's automatically the front runner for GM of the year.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:40 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 29 December 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

Greene is in the last year of his contract so I don't think a move like that for MJD is going to happen (wouldn't be opposed to it though if they can pull off something similar). I do think they need to get an experienced QB in there instead of trading up for another rookie project. I really do not want this team to go through these growing pains for the foreseeable future. I disagree on the approach to FA also, they really do need to spend some money this FA period on the offense. I don't want Howard going into the season as the starting RT next season. Honestly, I think they should move D'Brick to RT and sign someone like Clady to take over at LT. The mismanagement of money is gonna screw with this teams approach to signing talent for the next couple of years, but they need experienced vets on offense and they need to rely on the draft for the defense.


This is not meant to sound like a jerk at all, I honestly want your input to these questions then.


Who do you want at qb?

Where are we getting the money for the FA's?

What FA's do you want to sign?


And how would that approach land us in any different position than the one we find ourselves today?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 08:20 AM

View PostTebow15, on 30 December 2012 - 01:40 AM, said:

This is not meant to sound like a jerk at all, I honestly want your input to these questions then.


Who do you want at qb?

Where are we getting the money for the FA's?

What FA's do you want to sign?


And how would that approach land us in any different position than the one we find ourselves today?


1. I honestly have no idea who i want at QB, but nothing is going to get done regardless unless they get another OT (and that's no knock against Howard). I would like a QB though whose feelings don't get hurt and understands business. If I remember correctly nobody here expected the Jets to trade for Brett Favre

2. It isn't like they have NO money to spend right now. We can all agree Sanchez's contract extension was asinine but they can spend some money. It isn't like FA is the only way to fix a team, but they need to get some veterans in here who know what they're doing on the offensive side of the ball

3. I don't know with all certainty what the salary cap figures look like but through FA or trade they need too look into getting players like Clady, Bowe/Wallace, MJD/Mendenhall. Additionally this team is severely lacking depth from all the trading up (which gives you players like Revis and Harris, but also gives you Kellen Clemens and Sanchez. They need some big draft classes within the next few years to fix this. Tannenbaum mismanaged money terribly and the team is going to be affected by that for the next couple of years.

4. What approach? The approach of not neglecting the offense?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 12:03 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 30 December 2012 - 08:20 AM, said:

1. I honestly have no idea who i want at QB, but nothing is going to get done regardless unless they get another OT (and that's no knock against Howard). I would like a QB though whose feelings don't get hurt and understands business. If I remember correctly nobody here expected the Jets to trade for Brett Favre

2. It isn't like they have NO money to spend right now. We can all agree Sanchez's contract extension was asinine but they can spend some money. It isn't like FA is the only way to fix a team, but they need to get some veterans in here who know what they're doing on the offensive side of the ball

3. I don't know with all certainty what the salary cap figures look like but through FA or trade they need too look into getting players like Clady, Bowe/Wallace, MJD/Mendenhall. Additionally this team is severely lacking depth from all the trading up (which gives you players like Revis and Harris, but also gives you Kellen Clemens and Sanchez. They need some big draft classes within the next few years to fix this. Tannenbaum mismanaged money terribly and the team is going to be affected by that for the next couple of years.

4. What approach? The approach of not neglecting the offense?


To answer your question, the approach that was taken did neglect the offense, but its main approach was to buy high priced veterans at that only had a couple good years left in them, and stick them with a rookie qb and HOPE that it could all work in that two year span. Dumb.


The Jets need to rebuild. We need youth and a team that is mostly homemade. That is how the up-and-comming teams are doing it. Look at the Seahawks. They drafted or have had most of their players for years, and they make a good trade or signing here or there, see Sidney Rice and Marshawn Lynch. Look at what the Colts did. They took apart their team and built it up with young talent to grow up together and they can even win now because they have come together so well. Is that the expectation? no, its the exception. However thats a way you build a promising team, and avoid the disfunction the Jets have.


My Suggestion addressed the offense. What are the Jets major needs? Pass protection, a real running back, a playmaker, and a redzone threat. If you go back and read every single need was addressed. 4 out of the 6 selections in the draft were on offense for a reason. You add a Pro Bowl RB as one major change and you have a team that can start to rebuild and develop. We arent going to become a stable and great team in one offseason, we are way to broken for that. But if a similar plan to the one I suggested is put in place, the Jets will be on the right track to being a great team. then in the next year's draft, you build it up even more and have those rookies buy into a functional, winning culture.


Buying mercenaries doesn't work, unless you are the Yankees and you can buy everyone. But they don't have a cap and they have a culture and team enviornment that doesn't put up with what the Jets do, and has the leadership from key players to make sure it doesnt. The Jets have tried to still make it work and failed miserably, as seen this seasonThe Jets need leaders, so time to start drafting guys who grow up Jets but will be leaders, like a Jeter, Mariano, etc.

You cannot rebuild without tearing down what you have and starting over. If the Jets continue to try to fix things mostly through FA, what do you think is going to happen? There is a phrase one of my professors had that is one of the truest statements I have ever heard, "If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."
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