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Keeping Ryan Worst Move Of 2012 Great read - Adam Schein

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

http://m.nfl.com/new...t-move-of-2012/
Sal Paolantonio commenting on the difference in the Ryan and Mangini atmospheres in the building:
"It's like going from Alcatraz to Dorney Park."

It is better to destroy than create what is meaningless, so the picture will not be finished.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:29 PM

How about the Jaguars keeping Mike Mularkey as HC and firing their GM? Mularkey went 2-14 with the Jaguars and sucked with the Bills.



Just realized that Adam Schein wrote that, no surprised he said that its stupid to fire a GM and keep the HC.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

View PostThe Reverend, on 01 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:


I happen to agree with Schein. But even if you don't think his points are valid, there is one inarguable point that he missed. By announcing to everyone that Ryan will be the coach next year he effectively eliminated all of the top GM's out there from having any interest in the Jets. Any decent GM would require their being able to hire their own coach. So now we have to go after a GM with no or limited experience or success.

It amazes me that successful people like Woody JOhnson, Jerry Jones, Jeffrey Lurie just don't get it.

What the Jets needed to do was clean house. New GM, new head coach, new offensive coordinator, new QB. For cap reasons Sanchez needs to stay on the Jets but as a back up only.

Then we dump both Smiths (Jason and Eric), Scott, Pace, and Tebow (didn't deserve the treatment he got). That knocks $32 million off the cap which we are over. Then try and resign free agents Landry, Bell, Devito, and Moore (assuming he comes cheap based on age and averageness). We say goodbye to Keller (too expensive to keep for the results), Greene and Thomas.

In the draft we go for a pass rusher (preferably a linebacker) in the first round, a tackle in round two and a guard and maybe another linebacker and safety in later rounds. Then spend some money on a QB like Matt Moore to get us through the year (if McElroy fails).

Nothing will make us a power next year but that would be a start.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

Keeping Rex period is stupid as f***
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Keeping Rex as coach carries over some continuity. Rex is on a hot seat going into next season. If a GM is given full control, why would he not come here? Keep Rex and Sanchez for another year and try to acquire maximum talent. If they do not perform a massive turnaround, GM gets to fire both and start off fresh. Why bring in a new coach and keep Sanchez? Those two are a combined package. I think it's a smart move. Gives the new GM a freebie year to do what he wants. I like the move.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

I think the only reason Rex is here is because Woody doesn't want to eat his contract. He'll be gone next season.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:26 PM

Doesn't he know that Rex isn't involved in anything negative about the team (just like a good leader)?

View PostClemens11, on 12 August 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:11 PM

View Postchocomag, on 01 January 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

It amazes me that successful people like Woody JOhnson, Jerry Jones, Jeffrey Lurie just don't get it.

It's amazes me how people always think they know more than people who do this for a living. Do you really think you know more than them? Really? My guess is they get it much more than any of us.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:15 PM

Rex would be hired tomorrow if he were fired by us and we would look back on this as a bad call. The NFL and Jets know what he brings to the table. This article is just media BS. Keeping him does not reduce any chance of hiring any GM.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:20 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 01 January 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

It's amazes me how people always think they know more than people who do this for a living. Do you really think you know more than them? Really? My guess is they get it much more than any of us.


Woody Johnson is not like the others. He was born into his billions and after reading a piece of Bob Kraft's autobiography, I can safely say that NE will dominate us for a long while.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 01 January 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Woody Johnson is not like the others. He was born into his billions and after reading a piece of Bob Kraft's autobiography, I can safely say that NE will dominate us for a long while.

Robert Kraft was not? Thats funny. I bet we all have more Kraft products than J&J in out house right now. I am glad you read a book made to sell, and now have a clear view on our future though. If not for Mo Lewis The Pats would not be the team they have been.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:34 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 01 January 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

It's amazes me how people always think they know more than people who do this for a living. Do you really think you know more than them? Really? My guess is they get it much more than any of us.


Should we copy and paste this next time you question the team? You think the team doesn't have talent, but the team brought them in, so you must be wrong and actually the Jets are awesome.

Also, we'll copy and paste your prediction that a fired Ryan is rehired immediately next season after we suck again and he gets fired.

View PostClemens11, on 12 August 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:44 PM

View Posta1elbow2.0, on 01 January 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Should we copy and paste this next time you question the team? You think the team doesn't have talent, but the team brought them in, so you must be wrong and actually the Jets are awesome.

Also, we'll copy and paste your prediction that a fired Ryan is rehired immediately next season after we suck again and he gets fired.


I am talking right now so your next year is not relavent. The team not having talent on O is factual. That is as clear as it gets. If you cant see that your ot looking. Our lack of depth at key positions has been silly. Comments where people try to say that they know more than the people who do this for a living is just stupidity at its finest. No one is perfect but that kind of comment is 100% untrue. But yes copy and paste all you like.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:47 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 01 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

I am talking right now so your next year is not relavent. The team not having talent on O is factual. That is as clear as it gets. If you cant see that your ot looking. Our lack of depth at key positions has been silly. Comments where people try to say that they know more than the people who do this for a living is just stupidity at its finest. No one is perfect but that kind of comment is 100% untrue. But yes copy and paste all you like.


I just like the "they know more than you" argument you put out there because it suited your argument. If they know more than choco, they probably know more than you, so why do you get to question their moves but not him?

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1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

View Posta1elbow2.0, on 01 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

I just like the "they know more than you" argument you put out there because it suited your argument. If they know more than choco, they probably know more than you, so why do you get to question their moves but not him?

Wow! you missed the whole point huh? He said

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It amazes me that successful people like Woody JOhnson, Jerry Jones, Jeffrey Lurie just don't get it.

So he is saying they dont understand there job and he does. He is not questioning any particular issue. As I have said many times they know more than anyone on this board about what they are doing and I am part of this board. So your point is invalid
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 11:54 PM

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

View Postazjetfan, on 01 January 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

Robert Kraft was not? Thats funny. I bet we all have more Kraft products than J&J in out house right now. I am glad you read a book made to sell, and now have a clear view on our future though. If not for Mo Lewis The Pats would not be the team they have been.


Read the part about the decision making process that Kraft put into hiring BB. It's amazing. He had the vision, foresight and patience. Really earned my respect.

Yes, Mo Lewis knocked out Bledsoe. How come when the Testaverde ripped his achilles or Penny broke his everything we didn't have a HOFer waiting in the wings? Luck, right?
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 10:47 PM

This article is bull$hit. I'm not even going to waste my time reading it. Anyone saying that Rex Ryan deserves to be fired is an idiot & obviously hasn't been a Jets fan for very long.

You have to go back to the days of the fvcking AFL to see the last time any coach other than Rex Ryan has taken the Jets to one game away from the Championship. You guys seriously think having ONE losing season is reason to be fired? Wow. Woody Johnson forced Tim Teblow down his throat to sell PSL's & merchandise & we ended up with the first losing season under Rex.

Who would you prefer be the coach? The bum Bill Parcells that couldn't do what Rex did? He took us to the AFC Championship only once & then pus$ied out & left. Bill Cowher? 14 seasons & only 1 visit to the promise land on the backs of Jerome Bettis & Dick Lebeau. Chucky? Who? If you can't name someone better, be happy that we actually have someone that brought a sense of pride back into the damn team.
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