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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:55 AM

The Jets have 3 real issues that will stop the top GM's from wanting to come here. The salary cap is bad (not as bad as advertised but no walk in the park to work out), our ridiculous insistence on keeping the head coach (not lobbying for him to be fired - just to allow the new GM to make that decision), and the QB from hell.

Based on this it's no wonder the top people aren't lining up - and I'm not even sure who those people might be. But here's a suggestion that the Jets might entertain. I say this only because it may also be their fallback. Hire Scott Cohen on a one year probationary status. Allow him to show the organization what he can do with this draft and work to get the cap down. If we are smart with the salary cap, we can be in a much better situation the following year as I believe we can release Sanchez or trade him with little or no consequences. We can also allow a new GM to pick his own head coach. If Cohen surprises us, we might find a very capable GM and a good draft. If he doesn't then we will be terrible and in position to draft high with hopefully a better crop of QB's coming out in 2014.

If they go this way, then we should draft OLB, ILB, S and offensive linemen in this year's draft, pay Revis his money and the following year draft a QB, TE and WR in the first 3 rounds.

If we settle for a mediocre GM then we are just making the problem that much worse. And that is something the Jets are very good at.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

The three issues:
1) Salary cap is a one year problem. Jets will be free to make moves in 2014.
2) Coach is a one year problem. Woody has only stated that Rex needs to be here in 2013.
3) Sanchez is a one year problem. He will be cut next season if he still on the Jets next season and does not perform.

First off, a one year stop gap GM is no good. You want Cohen to run the draft? Jets have the 9th pick this season. This pick should be made diligently, not just on a whim. What happens if Cohen fails? You think the new GM is going to want to deal with that mess as well?

Second, I don't get the Rex needs to be fired situation. Look at it from Woody's point of view. You have a coach and a QB who can be off the team next year if needed without any additional costs. They have made their bed together, they can leave together. What new coach is going to want to come in and deal with this mess?

Jets need to fix their mistakes and every draft counts. I don't want a guy who may not be here next year making the personnel choices. A good GM candidate is important to fix this ASAP. And honestly, what news do we really know about the GM search? Jets have supposedly made one offer (Caldwell) and are interviewing a variety of candidates (but none that can be verified). Tannenbaum joined the Jets in 1997 and became a GM in 2006. He was an integral part of the organization and it will take time to replace him properly.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 12:33 PM

View PostChaos, on 15 January 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

The three issues:
1) Salary cap is a one year problem. Jets will be free to make moves in 2014.
2) Coach is a one year problem. Woody has only stated that Rex needs to be here in 2013.
3) Sanchez is a one year problem. He will be cut next season if he still on the Jets next season and does not perform.

First off, a one year stop gap GM is no good. You want Cohen to run the draft? Jets have the 9th pick this season. This pick should be made diligently, not just on a whim. What happens if Cohen fails? You think the new GM is going to want to deal with that mess as well?

Second, I don't get the Rex needs to be fired situation. Look at it from Woody's point of view. You have a coach and a QB who can be off the team next year if needed without any additional costs. They have made their bed together, they can leave together. What new coach is going to want to come in and deal with this mess?

Jets need to fix their mistakes and every draft counts. I don't want a guy who may not be here next year making the personnel choices. A good GM candidate is important to fix this ASAP. And honestly, what news do we really know about the GM search? Jets have supposedly made one offer (Caldwell) and are interviewing a variety of candidates (but none that can be verified). Tannenbaum joined the Jets in 1997 and became a GM in 2006. He was an integral part of the organization and it will take time to replace him properly.

You are approaching this as if we have our choice of GM's. If we can have our choice then there would have been no reason for my point. Caldwell had no interest in the Jets job because a GM that comes into an organization wants to pick his head coach - not have that coach thrust upon him. And since I haven't read about any GM candidates that have had successful experience drafting and who want the Jets job, why not Cohen? Do you believe he is Tannenbaum simply because he was his assistant?

I agree with you on your 3 points. Therefore, IF WE CAN'T FIND A SOLID GM we shouldn't settle for someone. With Cohen we can see if he can rise to the occasion and if not get rid of him next year without any long term contracts.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 01:00 PM

View Postchocomag, on 15 January 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

You are approaching this as if we have our choice of GM's. If we can have our choice then there would have been no reason for my point. Caldwell had no interest in the Jets job because a GM that comes into an organization wants to pick his head coach - not have that coach thrust upon him. And since I haven't read about any GM candidates that have had successful experience drafting and who want the Jets job, why not Cohen? Do you believe he is Tannenbaum simply because he was his assistant?

I agree with you on your 3 points. Therefore, IF WE CAN'T FIND A SOLID GM we shouldn't settle for someone. With Cohen we can see if he can rise to the occasion and if not get rid of him next year without any long term contracts.


But what are you basing this on? The media has no idea who the Jets have been interviewing, they can't even put together a decent list. The fans have absolutely no clue. Who knows who the Jets have actually been looking at. Are they looking for a personnel guy? Are they looking for a cap guy? Are they looking to split the work and hire two people? No one knows. All we know is that out of the supposed list of names, the Jets have looked at both draft experience, cap experience, and individuals with both.

I personally don't want Cohen because I want someone from the outside. I'm tired of in-house candidates and Parcells pedigree. I want a fresh look in the front office.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

View Postchocomag, on 15 January 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

You are approaching this as if we have our choice of GM's. If we can have our choice then there would have been no reason for my point. Caldwell had no interest in the Jets job because a GM that comes into an organization wants to pick his head coach - not have that coach thrust upon him.


I refuse to believe that one out of only 32 job in existance, which happens to be in the biggest media market in the country which, oh by the way, also comes with an owner that is committed to winning (even if the steps he takes may be incorrect) is a hard sell. Caldwell turning down the Jets is a joke to me. Who knows why he took the Jacksonville job? Was he even offered the Jets job? This is all blown way out of proportion because the media loves to pile on.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 15 January 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I refuse to believe that one out of only 32 job in existance, which happens to be in the biggest media market in the country which, oh by the way, also comes with an owner that is committed to winning (even if the steps he takes may be incorrect) is a hard sell. Caldwell turning down the Jets is a joke to me. Who knows why he took the Jacksonville job? Was he even offered the Jets job? This is all blown way out of proportion because the media loves to pile on.


sounds accurate

media rode the jets dick for a number of years
now that its gone sour they are making the slide downwards a sensation

watch if next year the jets break out to a great start you will see all the redemption stories they will write
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

View Postsantana, on 15 January 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

sounds accurate

media rode the jets dick for a number of years
now that its gone sour they are making the slide downwards a sensation

watch if next year the jets break out to a great start you will see all the redemption stories they will write

You guys may be totally correct. But in answer to the question of what I am basing it on, it has to do with the systematic dismantling of this team by people who really didn't know what they were doing.

Teams that win regularly don't make the fiasco of the QB position that we did. Sanchez sucks and we all know it. We knew it last year didn't we? But the Jets rewarded his terrible season with a contract extension and guaranteed it to boot. Then they go after Tebow. Then they get him and never use him. The total illogic of these moves is mind boggling.

Then we lead the league for years in the fewest draft picks per year when most teams know that since the draft is a crap shoot, you need as many picks as possible so you can have some work out. Not us, we trade them for Sanchez, Tebow, Dwayne Robertson.

Did anyone out there believe Tony Sparano was the answer at OC? Constant revolving door of coaches coupled with a bad QB and cap issues doesn't spell success. What we need is a GM who comes in and takes over and rights this ship. I'm not sure that a GM of that caliber is looking for the Jets job under these circumstances. BUt I do believe that in 1 year we could get rid of our QB, cap problems and if desired the head coach.

So how do we do that. If we hire a GM from the second tier of interviews we may very well continue the slide. Anyone we hire out there is going to want a 4 year deal. But Cohen (who I wouldn't recognize if he walked past me in the street)we could probably get for 1 year on a trial basis (sort of an intern). If he succeeds we are in good shape. If he fails we then have a more desirable atmosphere to offer a top GM.

Don't forget, Rex is going to have a lot of say abut this years draft. Can't believe Woody is going to hire a GM and then tell Rex to stay out of the draft preparation. That also bothers me but it seems likely.

You're right that writers may not know anything. But 8 interviews and counting sure says something to me.

I will admit, I am intrigued with the Sundquist, the ex-GM from the Broncos who interviewed. His resume on drafting is impressive. Getting Cutler in the 1st, Scheffler in the 2nd, Brandon Marshall in the 3rd and Elvis Dumervil in the 4th is awesome. Let's see what happens. remember - my idea is a fallback if there aren't any really proven guys out there.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

I really don't see how hiring a GM
could remotely be considered a bad idea
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 15 January 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

I really don't see how hiring a GM
could remotely be considered a bad idea

I hear that the Jets are going to take Sundquist. That would be a really good thing - I hope. He has experience, has done very well in the draft and has cap experience as well.

The point I was making was that if we were settling for someone rather than finding someone we really wanted, then the 1 year stop gap made sense. Case in point. The Giants guy Ross contacted the Jets and removed his name as a returning interview. Stuff like that is concerning.

As to why hiring a GM MIGHT be a bad idea is that a GM with limited or bad talent evaluation can really hurt a team.

Take the Cowboys. They won 3 Super Bowls thanks in large part to Jimmy Johnson and their GM at the time. Then Jerry Jones (owner) decides that he should become the de facto GM. He evaluates and decides on who to draft. And the Cowboys have been mediocre ever since.

Tannenbaum - a really good guy not GM - was of the opinion that drafting fewer players but moving up in the draft was a good thing. He failed to realize that the draft is a sort of crap shoot. Therefore, the more players you draft the better your chances of finding a larger number of players that will make the team and contribute. New England lives by this philosophy and it works.

Tannenbaum also got us into cap purgatory (not really hell as advertised) by guaranteeing Sanchez' contract and back loading other contracts.

GM's are very important to a team and we need to avoid any further mistakes as we try and rectify our situation. And if we are smart that can be done in 1 or 2 years.
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