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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:57 PM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:21 PM

View PostThe Reverend, on 16 January 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:



No. He couldn't beat a rookie in Seattle that got the job cuz he can run the read-option. No thanks. No to Alex Smith as well. No to trading for anyone. Lets go with what we got and draft someone.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

View Postwichitacommish, on 16 January 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

No. He couldn't beat a rookie in Seattle that got the job cuz he can run the read-option. No thanks. No to Alex Smith as well. No to trading for anyone. Lets go with what we got and draft someone.



You say that like its a bad thing. Russell Wilson is a flat out stud.


64%, 3,118 yards, 7.93 YPA, 26 TD 10 INT, 100 QB rating. 489 yards rushing, 4 TD.

That isn't your typical rookie.


I would take a look at anyone other than Sanchez.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

Flynn or Wilson would not have done much better than Sanchez this year with the lack of Talent we have. Flynn is a gamble. We are not in a position to gamble right now.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:08 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 16 January 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Flynn or Wilson would not have done much better than Sanchez this year with the lack of Talent we have. Flynn is a gamble. We are not in a position to gamble right now.



They may have, Sanchez is terrible.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 16 January 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

They may have, Sanchez is terrible.

"Might have" is a gamble. Sanchez might have done better if we had BE or Holmes all year. Why gamble.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

I'd give up a 4th or a 5th for Flynn. He's shown some flashes and I'd like his potential over another qb drafted with a 4th or 5th rd pick in this years draft. Not sure what his salary looks like but if its manageable, I'm down. At least we know we'd finally have a qb on our roster that could beat out the "sanchize."

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:08 PM

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 05:57 PM

View Postextmenace, on 16 January 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I'd give up a 4th or a 5th for Flynn. He's shown some flashes and I'd like his potential over another qb drafted with a 4th or 5th rd pick in this years draft. Not sure what his salary looks like but if its manageable, I'm down. At least we know we'd finally have a qb on our roster that could beat out the "sanchize."

And when we once again give up draft choices do we get him for free? We already have a cap situation and with Sanchez taking up $8,250,000, the addition of Flynn would add another $5,000,000 at least to the QB position. Makes no sense. Stay with what we have in McElroy and draft a QB later on and live with it until we can get rid of Sanchez in 2014
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

View Postchocomag, on 16 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

And when we once again give up draft choices do we get him for free? We already have a cap situation and with Sanchez taking up $8,250,000, the addition of Flynn would add another $5,000,000 at least to the QB position. Makes no sense. Stay with what we have in McElroy and draft a QB later on and live with it until we can get rid of Sanchez in 2014


Read what I wrote. I said if his cap number was manageable. Flynn is still young. We need a qb. Makes sense as far as needs go.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:38 AM

View Postextmenace, on 17 January 2013 - 07:41 AM, said:

Read what I wrote. I said if his cap number was manageable. Flynn is still young. We need a qb. Makes sense as far as needs go.

The problem is that decisions like that aren't black or white. Could we fit him under the cap if that was our main goal? Sure. I could think the cap is manageable by not resigning any of our free agents and starting rookies or sub par players at both safeties, RG, Ducasse at LG (God forbid), etc. You could think it not worth it for a QB that really is unproven. If not for that one amazing game would any of us really think about Flynn?

We know we have money issues. Getting under the cap is easy. That just requires cutting people. Replacing them and there are many is the problem. Mortgaging the farm for Peyton is one thing. But for an unproven player like Flynn when we have Sanchez like a dead weight on our back is quite another.

And don't forget, he comes with the loss of draft choices.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:13 AM

View Postchocomag, on 17 January 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

The problem is that decisions like that aren't black or white. Could we fit him under the cap if that was our main goal? Sure. I could think the cap is manageable by not resigning any of our free agents and starting rookies or sub par players at both safeties, RG, Ducasse at LG (God forbid), etc. You could think it not worth it for a QB that really is unproven. If not for that one amazing game would any of us really think about Flynn?

We know we have money issues. Getting under the cap is easy. That just requires cutting people. Replacing them and there are many is the problem. Mortgaging the farm for Peyton is one thing. But for an unproven player like Flynn when we have Sanchez like a dead weight on our back is quite another.

And don't forget, he comes with the loss of draft choices.


It is almost certain that next year will be the last season we'll ever have to see sanchez wearing a jets uniform. The organization knows its going to be in the market for a QB. While flynn is an unproven commodity, he has shown some flashes. Do I think he would be the answer? Honestly, No. I do not think so but I am just saying that this team needs a QB. Might as well take a risk in a year that will more than likely be a bad year anyways. This years QB draft class is one of the worst in years...the jets will need to bring in someone via free agency or trade because there isn't a scenario where they will let sanchez play any more than the first 2 or 3 games of the season playing like he did this year (He'll be lucky to get that). Regardless, Trading for a guy like flynn, while unproven, isn't exactly mortgaging the future. The guy has 2 years left on his contract. It's not like he is in his 2nd year of a 6 year, 40 mill guaranteed contract. Matt Moore, Jason Campbell, Hasselbeck, Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn. Those are going to be your 5 best options as far as adding a veteran QB goes heading into next offseason. You know what you have in the other 4, flynn is still a bit of an unknown. None of the other guys mentioned will stick around long term, flynn still has that unknown factor. I'd rather bring in a guy where there is some potential, rather than bringing in a guy we know for certian we'll have to replace. As you can see in todays NFL...the QB position is the most important position in the NFL. If you have a good QB, you have a competitive team. If the price is right,take the risk and bring him in.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

View Postextmenace, on 16 January 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I'd give up a 4th or a 5th for Flynn. He's shown some flashes and I'd like his potential


What flashes? He's played ONE MEANINGLESS GAME IN HIS NFL CAREER AGAINST AN OPPONENT THAT QUIT ON THE SEASON! Flynn is a huge unknown. It's the same as trading for a guy after a big game in the preseason. For all we know, he's another Brett Ratliff. HELL NO TO FLYNN.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

View Postextmenace, on 17 January 2013 - 10:13 AM, said:

It is almost certain that next year will be the last season we'll ever have to see sanchez wearing a jets uniform. The organization knows its going to be in the market for a QB. While flynn is an unproven commodity, he has shown some flashes. Do I think he would be the answer? Honestly, No. I do not think so but I am just saying that this team needs a QB. Might as well take a risk in a year that will more than likely be a bad year anyways. This years QB draft class is one of the worst in years...the jets will need to bring in someone via free agency or trade because there isn't a scenario where they will let sanchez play any more than the first 2 or 3 games of the season playing like he did this year (He'll be lucky to get that). Regardless, Trading for a guy like flynn, while unproven, isn't exactly mortgaging the future. The guy has 2 years left on his contract. It's not like he is in his 2nd year of a 6 year, 40 mill guaranteed contract. Matt Moore, Jason Campbell, Hasselbeck, Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn. Those are going to be your 5 best options as far as adding a veteran QB goes heading into next offseason. You know what you have in the other 4, flynn is still a bit of an unknown. None of the other guys mentioned will stick around long term, flynn still has that unknown factor. I'd rather bring in a guy where there is some potential, rather than bringing in a guy we know for certian we'll have to replace. As you can see in todays NFL...the QB position is the most important position in the NFL. If you have a good QB, you have a competitive team. If the price is right,take the risk and bring him in.

I hear you about Flynn as compared to the others you mentioned. I also agree given that mix I would go after him as well. Where we have a bit of a disconnect is that we would have to pay this man $5 million and give up draft choice(s). Since he is unproven, why not take a rookie in the second round (or third) and spend next to nothing and give up no draft choices? Personally, I would love to see us draft EJ Manuel from Fla ST. Not sure if we could get him in the 3rd but very possible. Almost definitely in the 2nd round and maybe even trade down and pick up an extra pick. Smith, Glennon, Barkley, Wilson, Nassib and the kid from Miami Ohio will all go ahead of him - probably. But this kid may be another Russell Wilson. Love his accuracy, foot speed and elusiveness and he seems to throw hard.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

While I'd consider a move for Flynn, I'd much rather go for a veteran free agent with starting experience like Matt Moore, largely because we won't have to give up draft picks to get him. Whoever our new GM is, I hope they value mid-round selections more than Tannenbaum did in order to add the depth this team needs.
Flynn's deal was just under $20 million (with $10 million) for 3 years. There's certainly no guarantee he'd be the answer to our QB riddle and that's a relatively hefty deal to take on. Factor that in, along with say a 4th or 5th rounder and is it really worth it, especially considering you could get a reasonable QB stopgap without having to sacrifice a draftable player, whoever that may be?
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