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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
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How About This Trade?

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

Alright, last retarded hypothetical trade that will never ever happen in real life. I promise.

Revis & Sanchez to the Chargers for Rivers?

Why the Chargers would do it: New management is not tied to Rivers. Rivers is on the last year of his contract and has obviously regressed the last 2 years. SD is not winning anything in the AFC West until Peyton retires, so they probably will work on a 3 year plan. Revis automatically becomes the face of the franchise and is the best player in the NFL at the biggest hole on the Chargers: pass defense (and when you play Peyton twice a year, you need better than average pass defense). Sanchez can be sold to the fans as a reclamation project that got shafted by bad management in NYC and now has the opportunity to flourish with a big WR core and back in South Cal.

Why the Jets would do it: we're treading water as far as the cap goes and Revis will want a new max deal in a year. We simply cannot afford him. Considering that we finished 5th in pass defense without him, it's safe to assume that he's a luxury. The money earmarked for him can be better spent by locking up Landry and looking to maybe get a cheaper FA ball hawking safety as well as just having some money so we don't have guys off the street at key position come November. Getting rid of Sanchez and his contract is self explanatory. Getting Rivers is a gamble, but at this point, what's better? Going all in with Rivers or drafting and developing a QB that may or may not work out? Rivers, at his best, is the best QB in the history of the franchise. Rivers at his worst is basically Brett Favre when he hurt his arm but refused to stop throwing into triple coverage. Either way, he's better than anything we can get in 2013.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 17 January 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

Alright, last retarded hypothetical trade that will never ever happen in real life. I promise.

Revis & Sanchez to the Chargers for Rivers?

Why the Chargers would do it: New management is not tied to Rivers. Rivers is on the last year of his contract and has obviously regressed the last 2 years. SD is not winning anything in the AFC West until Peyton retires, so they probably will work on a 3 year plan. Revis automatically becomes the face of the franchise and is the best player in the NFL at the biggest hole on the Chargers: pass defense (and when you play Peyton twice a year, you need better than average pass defense). Sanchez can be sold to the fans as a reclamation project that got shafted by bad management in NYC and now has the opportunity to flourish with a big WR core and back in South Cal.

Why the Jets would do it: we're treading water as far as the cap goes and Revis will want a new max deal in a year. We simply cannot afford him. Considering that we finished 5th in pass defense without him, it's safe to assume that he's a luxury. The money earmarked for him can be better spent by locking up Landry and looking to maybe get a cheaper FA ball hawking safety as well as just having some money so we don't have guys off the street at key position come November. Getting rid of Sanchez and his contract is self explanatory. Getting Rivers is a gamble, but at this point, what's better? Going all in with Rivers or drafting and developing a QB that may or may not work out? Rivers, at his best, is the best QB in the history of the franchise. Rivers at his worst is basically Brett Favre when he hurt his arm but refused to stop throwing into triple coverage. Either way, he's better than anything we can get in 2013.

I wouldn't make that trade even if it was possible. To begin with, a team doesn't lose money against the cap because they trade someone. So Revis and Sanchez would still count heavily. Secondly, I am not a Rivers fan at all. Yes - he is better than Sanchez (everyone is) but I don't think you realize how important Revis is. This year we didn't blitz, and were much more susceptible to the run because we couldn't isolate the other teams best receiver and take him out of the game. That used to leave us with an extra man to blitz, play an 8 man front or whatever.

In the last season before this one (2011) Revis graded out to 24.5 in a rating system of all players. Don't ask me how they get these numbers or what they mean other than to show effectiveness. The second highest rated cornerback graded out at 17.5! Normally there are tenths of a point difference between players. This difference is unheard of. He is by far the best CB in the league and if his injury doesn't destroy him, he will eventually go down as maybe the best of all time.

And we're going to consider giving him up for Rivers?
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

Rivers is a hugely overrated QB. No way. He is a better Cutler. A physically talented player who isn't much of a leader.

And I think a big part our pass defense being highly ranked was how bad our run defense was. When you can't stop the run teams don't need to throw.

View PostClemens11, on 12 August 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

1 int for every 4 tis is a pretty nice ratio to me


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Posted 17 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

View Postchocomag, on 17 January 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

To begin with, a team doesn't lose money against the cap because they trade someone.


How can that be? If Player A is owed $4M and he's traded, that $4M is traded with him. No?
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:57 AM

1. Why are we wanting to trade Revis????

2. I would rather have mark then have rivers :saythat:
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:20 PM

I think that trade would be terrible idea. Revis is one of the all time elite at his position.

We know nothing about Rivers now. He had a bad 2012. Could it be the quality of teammates?? Yes it could but it could also be that Rivers is starting to go down hill.If Rivers was at the top of his game the trade might make some sense but not at this point.

Its to much of a risk even though an aging Rivers would still be a big upgrade over Sanchez.

If Revis is involved in a trade it had better be for the first draft pick for and almost sure bet or an equally elite player in return.


With all that said I do think the chances of Revis retiring as a Jet are very slim unless he ends his career over an injury. As long as he is at the peak of his game and playing levels above the rest of the cb`s in the league and the money he costs he will always be trade bait.

In this day and age almost no one stays their whole career with one only team. After qb`s the chances of a player in any other position staying with one team their whole career is very very slim. I'm pretty sure most hof`rs played with more than one team and its a definite for most current and recent players that are future Hof`rs.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 05:53 PM

Regardless, with the newest hires, if the Jets are getting a new QB, the most likely ones are Flynn and Vick.
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