[HarlemHxC814]

Went to the optometrist today...still can't find any glasses that are Revis colored

[Mr_Jet]

HarlemHxC814, on 20 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Went to the optometrist today...still can't find any glasses that are Revis colored

I think they sell them at Wal-Mart between the invisible guns and the internet muscle barbells.

[HarlemHxC814]

Yall just mad Revis is stylin on you -realtalk-

[azjetfan]

FlyHiJets, on 20 February 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Little risk he will come back 100%? What data can you provide to back this statement? Considering Revis couldn't even return from his own holdout at 100%, I'm very interested to know what facts you bring to the table.

I've said time & time again that he does hold trade value, so we should get something for him rather than lose him to the highest bidder because we all know the word loyalty is completely foreign to him when it comes to the Jets. He's asked for more money 4 times in 6 years.

I'd rather trade him to get something for him while he's worth it rather than throwing 16-20 mill at a question mark only to win 6 or 7 games each season before he cries for a new contract again in the 2014 off season.

I am not sure what you mean by data. Medical science is not physical info. It's not like if you throw a brick through a window and you can see it physicaly break. At some point in our lives we have to use our common sense. Some people still believe that smoking does not cause health problems because they can't see the actual burning chemicals and drugs doing damage but common sense and historical data would show it does.

When you look at athletes who have gone through this in the past 10years or so just about all of them came back to 100%. Of course there is always the exception but we have no reason to believe that is the case here. From a quick google search here are some players who experts say have come back to 100%

NBA
Al Harrington
Al Jefferson
Baron Davis
Davis West
Jason Smith
Jamal Crawford
Cory Brewer
Bonzi Wells
Kendrick Perkins
Kyle Lowry

NFL
Wes Welker
Adrian Peterson
Jamal Charles
Tom Brady
Willis Mcgahee
John Elway

I guess I could go on but the point is most of these guys get the best care from the best people. Revis will be fine.

[FlyHiJets]

azjetfan, on 20 February 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

I am not sure what you mean by data. Medical science is not physical info. It's not like if you throw a brick through a window and you can see it physicaly break. At some point in our lives we have to use our common sense. Some people still believe that smoking does not cause health problems because they can't see the actual burning chemicals and drugs doing damage but common sense and historical data would show it does.

When you look at athletes who have gone through this in the past 10years or so just about all of them came back to 100%. Of course there is always the exception but we have no reason to believe that is the case here. From a quick google search here are some players who experts say have come back to 100%

NBA
Al Harrington
Al Jefferson
Baron Davis
Davis West
Jason Smith
Jamal Crawford
Cory Brewer
Bonzi Wells
Kendrick Perkins
Kyle Lowry

NFL
Wes Welker
Adrian Peterson
Jamal Charles
Tom Brady
Willis Mcgahee
John Elway

I guess I could go on but the point is most of these guys get the best care from the best people. Revis will be fine.

We can throw out every name you listed for the NBA because its a different game & they don't take the beating NFL players take. Mcgahee, elway, brady all have NOT returned 100%. Brady plays scared & is still off on his throws regardless of what you think. A.P. is just a freak. Jamal Charles was simply dedicated & is another anomaly. Same with Welker. So 3 out of how many hundreds if not thousands made it back. And they didn't have the predisposition to hurt themselves returning from time away. Revis does. His own people said it and past experience proves it. Is there a chance that he can return to the same guy who takes away almost half the field? Yes there is & if he stays a Jet, then I pray he does, but is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so & MANY people including those same "experts" excluding some racist Walker agree with me. You know as well as I do that unless we overpay him to extend him, he's GONE after the season & the ONLY thing that will matter to him is the figure that would hit his bank account. Nothing more. Hell.....we may as well make him part owner of the team according to some of you since in your minds, it's Revis & then everyone below him is substandard. He already acts like he's the entire team. So why not do it?

Rather than working out in Arizona with the same trainer that couldn't keep him ready during his holdout, maybe he should be working with the Andrews institute to rehab like Peterson & Charles did in order to come back ready. Instead, he's doing the same old thing & is going to wind up with the same old results. If he's ready for the season opener, I'm willing to bet he's pulling up lame by the end of game 2.

[MlorinczJ]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 08:48 AM, said:

We can throw out every name you listed for the NBA because its a different game & they don't take the beating NFL players take. Mcgahee, elway, brady all have NOT returned 100%. Brady plays scared & is still off on his throws regardless of what you think. A.P. is just a freak. Jamal Charles was simply dedicated & is another anomaly. Same with Welker. So 3 out of how many hundreds if not thousands made it back. And they didn't have the predisposition to hurt themselves returning from time away. Revis does. His own people said it and past experience proves it. Is there a chance that he can return to the same guy who takes away almost half the field? Yes there is & if he stays a Jet, then I pray he does, but is the risk worth the reward? I don't think so & MANY people including those same "experts" excluding some racist Walker agree with me. You know as well as I do that unless we overpay him to extend him, he's GONE after the season & the ONLY thing that will matter to him is the figure that would hit his bank account. Nothing more. Hell.....we may as well make him part owner of the team according to some of you since in your minds, it's Revis & then everyone below him is substandard. He already acts like he's the entire team. So why not do it?

Rather than working out in Arizona with the same trainer that couldn't keep him ready during his holdout, maybe he should be working with the Andrews institute to rehab like Peterson & Charles did in order to come back ready. Instead, he's doing the same old thing & is going to wind up with the same old results. If he's ready for the season opener, I'm willing to bet he's pulling up lame by the end of game 2.

LMFAO, did you just write off HALF of azjetsfan's NFL list as "anomalies?' How about Marcus Lattimore? He made it back the first time. Mcgahee didn't make it back? He hasn't had a successful career in the NFL with multiple 1,000 yard seasons? Brady? Are you serious? Check this out. Since Brady's injury, he has never had a single season with a quarterback rating lower than 96.2. Ok, now guess how many times he had a quarterback rating of 96.2 or higher in the EIGHT seasons before his injury................I'll wait while you guess..............ONE. The answer is ONE. Brady hasn't thrown for less than 28 touchdowns in a season since his injury, now guess how many times he threw for more than 28 touchdowns before his injury, i'll wait.................ONE!!! The answer is ONE again! He's also won the same amount of NFL MVPs in the 4 seasons since the injury and he did in the 8 seasons before it,........ONE! The argument could be made that Brady returned to OVER 100%, almost bionic if you will. You make my fuckin head hurt with the dumb shit you say sometimes man...

[azjetfan]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

We can throw out every name you listed for the NBA because its a different game & they don't take the beating NFL players take.

I am not by any means a NBA expert but I believe they play just about everynight for most of the year. Also thaey are running up and down the court all game versus every 40 seconds running for 5 seconds. Google soccer and ACL and see all the players that have come back. You are incorrect saying that that is not a good assesment. I could go on and on with names but I felt enough was there. And by the way Elway had his ACL removed and played at a high level and yes I understand QB is a less athletic position.

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Mcgahee, elway, brady all have NOT returned 100%. Brady plays scared & is still off on his throws regardless of what you think. A.P. is just a freak. Jamal Charles was simply dedicated & is another anomaly. Same with Welker. So 3 out of how many hundreds if not thousands made it back.

I would like to see this magical list of 1000s of pro athlets who have not returned. Brady plays scared? Really? Come on man. The other three are just freaks? Now your making excuses. The fact is Revis will return and be fine. The real question is can we resign him or not. If not we must trade him before he hits the open market and lands with Brady and ruins our life for the next 6 years.

[FlyHiJets]

MlorinczJ, on 21 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

LMFAO, did you just write off HALF of azjetsfan's NFL list as "anomalies?' How about Marcus Lattimore? He made it back the first time. Mcgahee didn't make it back? He hasn't had a successful career in the NFL with multiple 1,000 yard seasons? Brady? Are you serious? Check this out. Since Brady's injury, he has never had a single season with a quarterback rating lower than 96.2. Ok, now guess how many times he had a quarterback rating of 96.2 or higher in the EIGHT seasons before his injury................I'll wait while you guess..............ONE. The answer is ONE. Brady hasn't thrown for less than 28 touchdowns in a season since his injury, now guess how many times he threw for more than 28 touchdowns before his injury, i'll wait.................ONE!!! The answer is ONE again! He's also won the same amount of NFL MVPs in the 4 seasons since the injury and he did in the 8 seasons before it,........ONE! The argument could be made that Brady returned to OVER 100%, almost bionic if you will. You make my fuckin head hurt with the dumb shit you say sometimes man...

Dude....you're a fvcking moron if you think Brady's ability to throw means that his knee is 100%. And I have news for you....maybe you should pay attention during games considering even the commentators on the games were saying how Brady doesn't step into his throws like he used to. Marcus who? He's a fvcking nobody that isn't even in the fvcking league yet. McGahee came back 100%? Really? Why? Because he had 3 seasons where he got 1000 yards in fvcking DENVER? Your grandmother could run behind that Denver line at that point & get 1000 yards. What's he done since? Between 300 & 700 yards. Yeah......that's 100% alright. Come back to me when you gain a little knowledge. You want names, here's some for you. Talk to these guys about knee problems:

Barry Foster
Brian Westbrook
Mark Bavaro
Robert Edwards
Ickey Woods
LeCharles Bentley
Keith Millard
Bob Sanders
William Andrews
Daunte Culpepper
Billy simms
Cadillac Williams
Steve Emtman
Gayle Sayers
Terrell Davis

Want more? Get the fvck out of here with that bvllshit that the odds are so great for everyone to return from knee injuries.

[chocomag]

FlyHiJets, on 20 February 2013 - 12:50 PM, said:

It's time for a lot of people to wake up & realize that Revis is NOT bound for the Hall of Fame. He's honestly no better than Ty Law. Or do you think Law is going to the Hall too considering during his first 6 years in the league, he had MORE INT's, MORE tackles, & same amount of Defensive TD's as Revis? Take a look at both of their first 6 years in the league & compare numbers.

I know everybody HOPES he comes back fine but its not going to happen with his people already making excuses for him. But yet people here will still say to look at AP & Jamal Charles. My point was Revis is no AP or Charles. Both of them were able to come back sooner than Revis without their people making excuses for them. They kept their mouth shut rather than crying that the owner doesn't want to pay them. Like I said......he's no superman or some God like people seem to think he is. If so, then he'd be ready in the same time as AP & have better numbers than a pedestrian Ty Law. But......he couldn't do either.

Man, can you two guys argue. Do either of you expect the other to suddenly write that he was wrong and the other one of you was right? That's what makes sports sports. I will admit, I am a bit amazed that you lump Revis in with Aaron Glenn and even Ty Law. His past play ranks more with Deion Sanders.

It is true when you state that he is returning from an injury and you never know. But, medicine today is pretty good and there is no reason to expect him not to return at or near 100%.

I do happen to believe that Revis is pre-occupied with his salary and that isn't necesarily a bad thing. But it sure makes it a business. And in keeping with the business aspect of things, I think trading him is in the best interest of the Jets. I don;t say this loosely as he is by far my favorite player.

But the position doesn't win Super Bowls. Check out the past 10 winners and you might find 1 elite shut down corner (Woodsen. Giants didn't have one, Ravens this year didn't have one. Patriots didn't have one.Steelers didn't have one. Saints didn't have one.

What does win Super Bowls is an elite QB or one that is red hot at the time. A strong pass rush and a superior O-line are also crucial. We don't have any of those at this time and need to build them. Spending $28 million on our defensive backfield just makes no sense. Spending $14 million on a CB is also whacked - just ask the Eagles.

Let's try and get a first and second or at worst a first and third for him and then trade down our number 9 in the first for a lower first round pick maybe picking up a second or third. That would give us 2 first round picks, 2 or 3 second round picks and 2 or 3 third round picks. Then trade one of our third rounders or maybe even a fourth rounder to Seattle for Flynn. Use those high draft choices to build our OLB, O-Line, CB (replacing Revis), TE (assuming we let Keller walk).

That makes more sense to me than keeping Revis at the price he will demand.

But either way guys, you will never convince the other.

[MlorinczJ]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 12:20 PM, said:

Dude....you're a fvcking moron if you think Brady's ability to throw means that his knee is 100%. And I have news for you....maybe you should pay attention during games considering even the commentators on the games were saying how Brady doesn't step into his throws like he used to. Marcus who? He's a fvcking nobody that isn't even in the fvcking league yet. McGahee came back 100%? Really? Why? Because he had 3 seasons where he got 1000 yards in fvcking DENVER? Your grandmother could run behind that Denver line at that point & get 1000 yards. What's he done since? Between 300 & 700 yards. Yeah......that's 100% alright. Come back to me when you gain a little knowledge. You want names, here's some for you. Talk to these guys about knee problems:

Barry Foster
Brian Westbrook
Mark Bavaro
Robert Edwards
Ickey Woods
LeCharles Bentley
Keith Millard
Bob Sanders
William Andrews
Daunte Culpepper
Billy simms
Cadillac Williams
Steve Emtman
Gayle Sayers
Terrell Davis

Want more? Get the fvck out of here with that bvllshit that the odds are so great for everyone to return from knee injuries.

Please see my other post regarding the advances in sports and medical science. That might help explain your list of ancient names, lol.

[FlyHiJets]

MlorinczJ, on 21 February 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

Please see my other post regarding the advances in sports and medical science. That might help explain your list of ancient names, lol.

Bob Sanders, Brian Westbrook, Daunte Culpepper, LeCharles Bentley, Cadillac Williams are all ancient? WOW. I wasn't aware that 2011 was that long ago. I could've sworn Mark Bavaro was playing in the same era as John Elway who is listed as one of your so-called success stories. ROFLMAO. Did you even bother to read the list? Somehow I doubt it.

[azjetfan]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Bob Sanders, Brian Westbrook, Daunte Culpepper, LeCharles Bentley, Cadillac Williams are all ancient? WOW. I wasn't aware that 2011 was that long ago. I could've sworn Mark Bavaro was playing in the same era as John Elway who is listed as one of your so-called success stories. ROFLMAO. Did you even bother to read the list? Somehow I doubt it.

2011? Do you just guess and hope that non of us will look to see if that is factual? All those guys are pre 2008. Try again. If you want to remove Elway from the list thats fine. There are still plenty of pros that prove your wrong.

[FlyHiJets]

azjetfan, on 21 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

2011? Do you just guess and hope that non of us will look to see if that is factual? All those guys are pre 2008. Try again. If you want to remove Elway from the list thats fine. There are still plenty of pros that prove your wrong.

Stop hating already. You didn't specify when the injury was fvckface. You said when they stopped playing. Get over yourself. You're looking REALLY fvcking stupid. 2011 yes.

Name 5 football pros that have come back ONE HUNDRED PERCENT in the last 5 years. So far you guys have names Adrian Peterson & Jamal Charles. Where's the rest since they apparently outnumber the ones that haven't in your mind. Can't say Brady because I alreadey shot that to hell.

[azjetfan]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Stop hating already. You didn't specify when the injury was fvckface. You said when they stopped playing. Get over yourself. You're looking REALLY fvcking stupid.

Normally when people resort to cursing it is because they do not have the intelligence to express there feeling in a constructive manner.

[FlyHiJets]

azjetfan, on 21 February 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Normally when people resort to cursing it is because they do not have the intelligence to express there feeling in a constructive manner.

What's wrong? The way I speak isn't up to your politcally correct standards? Fvck being politically correct. Political correctness is for pu$$ies.

[FlyHiJets]

azjetfan, on 21 February 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

2011? Do you just guess and hope that non of us will look to see if that is factual? All those guys are pre 2008.

Since you wanted 5 that are more recent than 2008.....How's 11 sound? Every last one of these guys had an ACL injury in 2011. Who came back at 100%?

Chris Cooley
Tim Hightower
Earnest Graham
Jeff Otah
Bradley Fletcher
Bob Sanders
Kenny Britt - pre injury 17 avg ypc. After = 13
Tony Moeaki
Thomas Davis
Nate Kaeding
Eric Berry

[MlorinczJ]

FlyHiJets, on 21 February 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Since you wanted 5 that are more recent than 2008.....How's 11 sound? Every last one of these guys had an ACL injury in 2011. Who came back at 100%?

Chris Cooley
Tim Hightower
Earnest Graham
Jeff Otah
Bradley Fletcher
Bob Sanders
Kenny Britt - pre injury 17 avg ypc. After = 13
Tony Moeaki
Thomas Davis
Nate Kaeding
Eric Berry

I guess I'll be the one to wreck your list:

Cooley - was playing through knee troubles but was placed on IR after breaking his finger....soooooooo no ACL injury here......
Hightower - never got a chance after the injury, so how would YOU know if he's 100% if no one else does?
Graham - tore his ACHILLES, you don't know your ass from your elbow sometimes
Otah - Googled "Jeff Otah ACL," searched through 4 pages of results and found nothing. Articles only say "knee problems" or "flare ups," none of them say ACL
Fletcher - these articles would seem to indicate that Fletcher was playing well, but got buried on the depth chart by the coaches Comeback Complete Buried
Sanders - all articles say "knee injury," regardless, Sanders was on a severe decline due to a multiplicity of injuries of the years. And since he hasn't played since the injury, again, how do you know if he's 100% or not?
Britt - Britt was hampered by an additional ankle injury this season which must be taken into consideration. Also, when evaluating his YPC, consider the variable of switching from a veteran quarterback to a young gun. There are other factors at play
Moeaki - pre-injury stats are VERY similar to post-injury stats, so what is your point? ESPN Stats
Davis - recorded the 2nd highest combined tackles of his career this season at 103, to go along with 2 FF and 1 INT, after tearing his ACL FOR THE 3RD TIME!
Kaeding - I'm gonna give you this one, but seeing as how his entire position is dedicated to his legs, his case is not analogous to Revis'
Berry - His stats were down slightly from 2010, and I would agree that he did not appear to be at 100% this season. But I would say it was a solid 90%

Most of your examples here were really shitty, some just downright wrong (Graham and Davis in particular). I urge you to do more research before spewing your volatile garbage, it'll save you the embarrassment next time.

[Jetsman05]

Thomas Davisssssss

[FlyHiJets]

MlorinczJ, on 21 February 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

I guess I'll be the one to wreck your list:

Cooley - was playing through knee troubles but was placed on IR after breaking his finger....soooooooo no ACL injury here......
Hightower - never got a chance after the injury, so how would YOU know if he's 100% if no one else does?
Graham - tore his ACHILLES, you don't know your ass from your elbow sometimes
Otah - Googled "Jeff Otah ACL," searched through 4 pages of results and found nothing. Articles only say "knee problems" or "flare ups," none of them say ACL
Fletcher - these articles would seem to indicate that Fletcher was playing well, but got buried on the depth chart by the coaches Comeback Complete Buried
Sanders - all articles say "knee injury," regardless, Sanders was on a severe decline due to a multiplicity of injuries of the years. And since he hasn't played since the injury, again, how do you know if he's 100% or not?
Britt - Britt was hampered by an additional ankle injury this season which must be taken into consideration. Also, when evaluating his YPC, consider the variable of switching from a veteran quarterback to a young gun. There are other factors at play
Moeaki - pre-injury stats are VERY similar to post-injury stats, so what is your point? ESPN Stats
Davis - recorded the 2nd highest combined tackles of his career this season at 103, to go along with 2 FF and 1 INT, after tearing his ACL FOR THE 3RD TIME!
Kaeding - I'm gonna give you this one, but seeing as how his entire position is dedicated to his legs, his case is not analogous to Revis'
Berry - His stats were down slightly from 2010, and I would agree that he did not appear to be at 100% this season. But I would say it was a solid 90%

Most of your examples here were really shitty, some just downright wrong (Graham and Davis in particular). I urge you to do more research before spewing your volatile garbage, it'll save you the embarrassment next time.

So you rely on Google for all of your information? EVERY one of those I listed with the exception of Graham had knee & acl injuries last year alone. He's living proof of the increased risk of re-injuring the ACL once its injured the first time. Or is it that he's just cursed according to you? As for your statement of people not getting a chance.......you're telling me they didn't work out with the team or go to camp if they were able & simply got out played therefore dropped on the depth chart? That would mean they weren't as good. Do better research next time & don't rely on Google so much. I'm done with you. I've now given you 15 players in the last 5 seasons who were hampered by knee & acl problems, research studies & other materials to which you could educate yourself but you're just stuck on this magic that Revis must possess to where he's a lock to come back 100% as far as you're concerned.

[MlorinczJ]

FlyHiJets, on 22 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

So you rely on Google for all of your information? EVERY one of those I listed with the exception of Graham had knee & acl injuries last year alone. He's living proof of the increased risk of re-injuring the ACL once its injured the first time. Or is it that he's just cursed according to you? As for your statement of people not getting a chance.......you're telling me they didn't work out with the team or go to camp if they were able & simply got out played therefore dropped on the depth chart? That would mean they weren't as good. Do better research next time & don't rely on Google so much. I'm done with you. I've now given you 15 players in the last 5 seasons who were hampered by knee & acl problems, research studies & other materials to which you could educate yourself but you're just stuck on this magic that Revis must possess to where he's a lock to come back 100% as far as you're concerned.

I never said he'd come back at 100%, but I do believe he'll be back at 90%+, and Revis at 90%+ is still better than almost every corner in the league. By the following season, he would likely be 100%. There isn't nearly as much stigma concerning career longevity after ACL injuries as there used to be. You can deny that until your blue in the face, but it's a fact nowadays.

And just so we're clear, I'm in the "trade Revis" camp, I just get tired of the bullshit you constantly spew.