[Jetsfan115]

Mr_Jet, on 23 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

All this player playing at 100% stuff is laughable. All that is a matter of perception. There is no gauge on the human body to show if a player (or any person) is playing (or working) at 100% or lower. All of this talk of who has and has not performed at 100% since their ACL injuries is all based off of opinion and not any fact. So if you're trying to make an argument that Revis won't return to 100% (whatever you believe 100% to be) of course you're going to say other players with the same injury haven't returned to 100% since their ACL injuries. Obviously you're not going say that any of the players azjetfan and Chaos cited are not back at "100%" since their injuries, because admitting that would mean that it is likely that Revis will too. And that would mean that you'd have to eliminate a reason for trading him. But this "100%" talk is just ridiculous because if I wanted to say Peyton Manning wasn't at 100% last season, I could. There is no gauge on his body that we could look at to see a measurement of what his actual performance output was. One person's 100% could be another person's 40% and another person's 160%. There's no accurate measurement.

One NFL player said ti best. by november nobody in the league is 100%

[FlyHiJets]

Jetsfan115, on 28 February 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

One NFL player said ti best. by november nobody in the league is 100%

I completely agree that almost no one is 100% by November. My point is that there are too many of you convinced that Revis is going to come back and be able top play to his pre-lockout level of performance and are willing to give up QB-like money for him when the team has so many other needs. If he's willing to take realistic money of 10-12 million WITH injury & holdout clauses, then fine....re-sign him. If not, trade him to be able to get something other than a 9 million dollar cap hit for him next year.

[Mr_Jet]

FlyHiJets, on 28 February 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I completely agree that almost no one is 100% by November. My point is that there are too many of you convinced that Revis is going to come back and be able top play to his pre-lockout level of performance and are willing to give up QB-like money for him when the team has so many other needs. If he's willing to take realistic money of 10-12 million WITH injury & holdout clauses, then fine....re-sign him. If not, trade him to be able to get something other than a 9 million dollar cap hit for him next year.

Well I for one know that I never said Revis should get the same type of money a QB gets. And I don't remember reading any other posts on here where somebody has said Revis should get QB type money. All I've ever said is they should negotiate. No side gets everything they want nor should they.

[Jetsfan115]

FlyHiJets, on 28 February 2013 - 08:47 AM, said:

I completely agree that almost no one is 100% by November. My point is that there are too many of you convinced that Revis is going to come back and be able top play to his pre-lockout level of performance and are willing to give up QB-like money for him when the team has so many other needs. If he's willing to take realistic money of 10-12 million WITH injury & holdout clauses, then fine....re-sign him. If not, trade him to be able to get something other than a 9 million dollar cap hit for him next year.

We'll the thing with revis is he an extremely rare and valuable asset. Now he has 1 year left on his deal (his cap number this season is pretty reasonable 9mil) and he's coming off an injury. The issue is we can't franchise him, and if we trade him we will lose 3 mil in cap room this year (he'd count 12 mil instead of 9 mil against our cap) Now if we trade him will we get enough back for him? Big name players rarely get traded becuase 1 team always gets the short end of teh stick and alot of GMs don't want to stick their neck out and make a huge mistake. I understand both sides of teh argument

Pro Revis guys say he is elite and worth the money and a great player. all is ture

Against revis guys say we can get more vlaue, our defense is good w/o him, he won't win us a SB etc etc and all is true again.

[HarlemHxC814]

FlyHiJets, on 28 February 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

I completely agree that almost no one is 100% by November. My point is that there are too many of you convinced that Revis is going to come back and be able top play to his pre-lockout level of performance and are willing to give up QB-like money for him when the team has so many other needs. If he's willing to take realistic money of 10-12 million WITH injury & holdout clauses, then fine....re-sign him. If not, trade him to be able to get something other than a 9 million dollar cap hit for him next year.

Who said he deserves QB money? Also I don't understand the logic in wanting to trade him because of risking a $9 million cap hit next season if he's let go but trading him now the team takes a $12 million hit ($15 million according to Cimini if this drags out after the preseason)

[FlyHiJets]

HarlemHxC814, on 03 March 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Who said he deserves QB money? Also I don't understand the logic in wanting to trade him because of risking a $9 million cap hit next season if he's let go but trading him now the team takes a $12 million hit ($15 million according to Cimini if this drags out after the preseason)

The 16+ million he's seeking is QB money. I'm not going to bother reposting the QB figures but there are only a few QB's even earning that at this point.

Cimini has him listed as 12 million if traded? He's wrong. He's a 12 million hit if cut not traded. He's got a 3 million base salary plus 3 more in prorated bonus, 2 million in other bonuses & another 1 in roster bonus. (Paid out March 17, end of voluntary workouts & then reporting to camp)

That's 9 million last time I learned math so where Cimini's pulling his numbers from I don't know.

[azjetfan]

FlyHiJets, on 03 March 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

The 16+ million he's seeking is QB money. I'm not going to bother reposting the QB figures but there are only a few QB's even earning that at this point.

If that's the logic how many positions make that money? Quite a few I would expect. If you are arguing average salary you may have a point and that's fine but Revis is not an average player. To me this is a simple case of try to trying him to a deal that both sides can agree to or trade him when it benefits us the most.

[HarlemHxC814]

FlyHiJets, on 03 March 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

The 16+ million he's seeking is QB money. I'm not going to bother reposting the QB figures but there are only a few QB's even earning that at this point.

Cimini has him listed as 12 million if traded? He's wrong. He's a 12 million hit if cut not traded. He's got a 3 million base salary plus 3 more in prorated bonus, 2 million in other bonuses & another 1 in roster bonus. (Paid out March 17, end of voluntary workouts & then reporting to camp)

That's 9 million last time I learned math so where Cimini's pulling his numbers from I don't know.

The question wasn't how much money is QB money, the question was who here said Revis deserved QB money.

Additionally, you're wrong. I have seen articles saying that it is a $12 million hit if traded and i sent a tweet to Manish asking him the same thing and he told me it is a $12 million cap hit if traded. I'm happy to print screen you the tweet and DM he sent me

[sexyrexy]

HarlemHxC814, on 03 March 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

The question wasn't how much money is QB money, the question was who here said Revis deserved QB money.

Additionally, you're wrong. I have seen articles saying that it is a $12 million hit if traded and i sent a tweet to Manish asking him the same thing and he told me it is a $12 million cap hit if traded. I'm happy to print screen you the tweet and DM he sent me

Manish responded to you? He never responds to my comments about what a troll he and the NYDN is. Maybe I should switch up my approach.

[HarlemHxC814]

http://m.nydailynews....1273500?pgno=1

It isn't letting me copy and paste on my phone for some reason but that article also says that the cap hit if Revis is dealt is $12,000,000. Is this wrong too?

I also don't know why you think Revis is seeking that much money considering no lines of communication have been opened yet. He very well could be seeking that much money but that is why they negotiate in the first place

[HarlemHxC814]

Haha yeah he's responded to me a couple of times actually...not like its a long eloquent response or anything lol but still

[FlyHiJets]

Revis Cap FiguresDarrelle Revis Cap Stats

HarlemHxC814, on 03 March 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

The question wasn't how much money is QB money, the question was who here said Revis deserved QB money.

Additionally, you're wrong. I have seen articles saying that it is a $12 million hit if traded and i sent a tweet to Manish asking him the same thing and he told me it is a $12 million cap hit if traded. I'm happy to print screen you the tweet and DM he sent me

Bro......I outlined every penny of Revis' money for you. That all added up to 9 million, so how is the hit 12? We didn't push out any money into 2013 for him that isn't accounted for. He's got a 3 million base salary, 3 million in roster bonus, 2 million for workout bonus & another 1 million for reporting to camp. 3+3+2+1=9 the last time I checked, so a tweet from Manish or Cimini basically means nothing unless they can explain the phantom 3 million they're tacking on. 6 if you go with Cimini's assumption that it can go as high as 15. Where are they getting the extra hit from?

It appears that they're adding on another 3 million in dead cap space for future years which is possible considering if he walks away after the 2013 season, we eat a 9 million cap hit. At least if we trade him, we may take the hit but we not only get the picks from the team getting him but according to another article, we also get at least a 2nd in compensatory picks for him and we're free & clear of all future charges.

As for your question of people saying he should get QB money, how many times has it been said in this thread by people wanting to keep him that he's worth 16 million? That's QB money or someone that can actually make an impact on the QB that can win or lose a game for you. Revis doesn't do that so he's not worth 16 million & we damn sure can't afford to simply let him play in 2013 & walk away because then it's 18 million in cap space for him for one year if you think about it. His 9 million this year & the 9 million hit we'd take next year.

Again......if he wants to play for a reasonable amount (10-12) with injury clauses that protect the team rather than him, then re-sign him. If not, trade his as$ while he still holds a good trade value.

[Mr_Jet]

FlyHiJets, on 05 March 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

As for your question of people saying he should get QB money, how many times has it been said in this thread by people wanting to keep him that he's worth 16 million?

The answer is nobody has said that.

[Jetsfan115]

Mr_Jet, on 05 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

The answer is nobody has said that.

Flacco who is an average QB got 20 mil a year so um yeah

[Mr_Jet]

Jetsfan115, on 05 March 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Flacco who is an average QB got 20 mil a year so um yeah

Huh?

[HarlemHxC814]

FlyHiJets, on 05 March 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

Revis Cap FiguresDarrelle Revis Cap Stats

Bro......I outlined every penny of Revis' money for you. That all added up to 9 million, so how is the hit 12? We didn't push out any money into 2013 for him that isn't accounted for. He's got a 3 million base salary, 3 million in roster bonus, 2 million for workout bonus & another 1 million for reporting to camp. 3+3+2+1=9 the last time I checked, so a tweet from Manish or Cimini basically means nothing unless they can explain the phantom 3 million they're tacking on. 6 if you go with Cimini's assumption that it can go as high as 15. Where are they getting the extra hit from?

This is from Cimini's Sunday Notes for this week http://espn.go.com/b...lichick-no-way:

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3. More Revis thoughts: Trading Revis in the offseason could cost the Jets a quality starter. How's that? Right now, he's counting $9 million on the cap. If he's dealt, his "dead" charge is $12 million. That extra $3 million could mean the difference between re-signing a free agent like Mike DeVito or letting him go. In other words, you lose more than a premier cornerback if you trade Revis.

The counter argument: If you wait until the end of the preseason to trade him, the dead charge is $15 million because he will have received $3 million in bonuses by then -- $1 million roster, $1 million workout and $1 million reporting. The Jets would have to leave themselves enough cap flexibility to incur an additional $6 million beyond his current cap figure, and that won't be easy. Let's face it, it's a mess.

Now I don't know exactly and specifically why it is a $12 million charge if Revis is dealt, but the fact of the matter is, it is there whether you want to believe it or not. Additionally, here are other sources saying the same thing.

NESN (http://nesn.com/2013/02/report-darrelle-revis-actively-shopped-to-multiple-teams-by-jets-at-nfl-combine/):

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If the Jets trade Revis, they would take on a $12 million dollar cap hit and a loss of $3 million in salary cap room, according to OverTheCap.com. New York is currently $10 million under the proposed $123 million 2013 salary cap.

Yahoo (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-cornerback-darrelle-revis-speechless-over-trade-talk-194523961--nfl.html):

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As Shutdown Corner noted on Thursday morning, trading Revis in 2013 would exacerbate the Jets' salary cap issues as prorated amounts from an $18 million option bonus in 2011 would accelerate onto the team's cap this season, increasing Revis' cap hit from it's current $9 million to $12 million. A more prudent approach would be to have Revis demonstrate that he has fully recovered from knee surgery before making a decision on whether or not to trade him during the regular season, sign him to an extension or let him walk in free agency and bank on receiving a valuable compensatory draft choice in 2015.

NY Daily News(http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/corner-jets-brass-snubs-revis-agents-combine-article-1.1273500?pgno=1):

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Ryan said last week that the Jets have not had internal discussions about trading Revis. The Jets’ cap hit would jump from $9 million to $12 million if Revis is dealt.

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As for your question of people saying he should get QB money, how many times has it been said in this thread by people wanting to keep him that he's worth 16 million? That's QB money or someone that can actually make an impact on the QB that can win or lose a game for you. Revis doesn't do that so he's not worth 16 million & we damn sure can't afford to simply let him play in 2013 & walk away because then it's 18 million in cap space for him for one year if you think about it. His 9 million this year & the 9 million hit we'd take next year.

Who has said this? Who? Stop ducking the question. Who is on record here saying the Jets should pay him $16 million per season? Me? Mr_Jet? SHJ? Dubb? Kobeskool? EvanstonJet? Please reference quotes from this thread.

[Chaos]

It really doesn't seem like some of you know the definition of negotiation. It goes like this: Revis has a number in mind and the Jets have a number in mind. They sit down and try to come up with a compromise.

That's usually how contract talks go. Just because Revis SUPPOSEDLY wants $16 million doesn't mean he is going to get it.

The Jets should feel obligated to sit down and at least discuss terms for two reasons. First, he is the BEST player to have worn a Jets jersey ever since Martin retired. Two, THE FANS. Trading him without even trying to reach a compromise is a disservice to the fan base and down right idiotic. He can be afforded with the money that is coming off the cap next year. Jets just need to be smart.

It is the front office's job to acquire talent and make sure it fits the cap. With all this "leave no stone unturned" bullshit, you would think they would keep the damn diamond they have drafted.

[FlyHiJets]

HarlemHxC814, on 05 March 2013 - 07:40 PM, said:

Now I don't know exactly and specifically why it is a $12 million charge if Revis is dealt, but the fact of the matter is, it is there whether you want to believe it or not. Additionally, here are other sources saying the same thing.

Who has said this? Who? Stop ducking the question. Who is on record here saying the Jets should pay him $16 million per season? Me? Mr_Jet? SHJ? Dubb? Kobeskool? EvanstonJet? Please reference quotes from this thread.

Again....I asked for substance as to how they came up with the 12 million.....not articles. But if it is 12, then it is. It's still better than 18 for one year of services and get nothing better than a 3rd round compensatory pick for him.

As for who said about the 16........how many times have you guys said PAY him basically whatever he wants and you "don't let a once in a lifetime player go" bull$hit. That intimates you're on board with giving him whatever he want, so no.....I'm not going to search through 17 pages in this thread to look for the statements. We all know he wants 16+. Stop acting like what he said in 2010 doesn't still count today considering he's demanding more money every 1.5 years on average.

He's already licking the ballsack of the 49ers saying it would be awesome if he went there. It's simple......he doesn't know what the word loyalty means so he's damn sure not going to give any "hometown" discount after 2013.

As for 115.......yes Flacco got 20 million per year because he just wont he Superbowl and the team owner told him before the season that he can demand practically anything he wanted if he won the Superbowl for him that year. He did, so he got what he wanted. And fyi......Flacco is a lot better than "average".

Hell......Revis wants more money than Tom Brady is getting for crying out loud and he's nowhere near as valuable to the Jets as Brady is to the Pats. Brady is without a doubt the face of that franchise besides Bellichump.

[HarlemHxC814]

Chaos, on 05 March 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

It really doesn't seem like some of you know the definition of negotiation. It goes like this: Revis has a number in mind and the Jets have a number in mind. They sit down and try to come up with a compromise.

That's usually how contract talks go. Just because Revis SUPPOSEDLY wants $16 million doesn't mean he is going to get it.

The Jets should feel obligated to sit down and at least discuss terms for two reasons. First, he is the BEST player to have worn a Jets jersey ever since Martin retired. Two, THE FANS. Trading him without even trying to reach a compromise is a disservice to the fan base and down right idiotic. He can be afforded with the money that is coming off the cap next year. Jets just need to be smart.

It is the front office's job to acquire talent and make sure it fits the cap. With all this "leave no stone unturned" bullshit, you would think they would keep the damn diamond they have drafted.

[Chaos]

FlyHiJets, on 05 March 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Again....I asked for substance as to how they came up with the 12 million.....not articles. But if it is 12, then it is. It's still better than 18 for one year of services and get nothing better than a 3rd round compensatory pick for him.

As for who said about the 16........how many times have you guys said PAY him basically whatever he wants and you "don't let a once in a lifetime player go" bull$hit. That intimates you're on board with giving him whatever he want, so no.....I'm not going to search through 17 pages in this thread to look for the statements. We all know he wants 16+. Stop acting like what he said in 2010 doesn't still count today considering he's demanding more money every 1.5 years on average.

He's already licking the ballsack of the 49ers saying it would be awesome if he went there. It's simple......he doesn't know what the word loyalty means so he's damn sure not going to give any "hometown" discount after 2013.

As for 115.......yes Flacco got 20 million per year because he just wont he Superbowl and the team owner told him before the season that he can demand practically anything he wanted if he won the Superbowl for him that year. He did, so he got what he wanted. And fyi......Flacco is a lot better than "average".

Hell......Revis wants more money than Tom Brady is getting for crying out loud and he's nowhere near as valuable to the Jets as Brady is to the Pats. Brady is without a doubt the face of that franchise besides Bellichump.

1. Flacco is getting 30 million in the first year, salary cap number is $6.8 million. The contract is actually really well done from the looks of it. http://www.baltimore...ntract-20130305,0,1319614.story

2. Brady got his big money contract before, Revis deserves his. Revis is the face of the Jets, HE IS THEIR BEST PLAYER!