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HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (31 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) ^^^ agreed
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) all the admins on this page should be fired
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) for being assclowns
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:17 PM) The Jets are fucked at CB, signing some bums now. We need Milliner to get healthy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 04:20 PM) We have signed CB Phillip Adams
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) The Gayders are playing Derek Carr against the JETS
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) our D Line better put him in a WORLD OF PAIN
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:11 PM) Rookie QB in our house...Rex do your thing!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) with Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls as our starting CBs
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:00 PM) our offense should be better than last year, Geno looks more comfortable
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:03 PM) The Jets released Jeremiah George and Ellis Lankster, hopefully George finds his way to the PS. AJ Edds was re-signed
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

Alright, so I'm babysitting and here we go:

First off, we're trading Revis. I don't care that you don't want to. It's going to happen and it's going to happen this season. I'm using Walter Football for my draft pick database and I'm using nyjetscap.com for my salary numbers.

1. Trade Revis to Minnesota Vikings for Percy Harvin, their 1st rounder (#23), their 3rd rounder and a conditional pick next year (that can escalate based on Revis' performance). Why the Jets would do it: we can't resign Revis (don't turn this into another Revis debate, there's a 4 page thread on that already). according to our HC, he wants the FO to get some offensive players and Harvin fits the bill. According to our GM, "the draft is going to be the lifeline" of this team so we'll be stockpiling picks. Why Minny would do it: to get to the top of the NFC North, they have to stop Rodgers, stop Megatron and stop Brandon Marshall. They're not going to get it done with AJ Jefferson starting for 8 weeks. Their draft pick is low enough that it won't seem too expensive. Lastly, Frasier and Harvin absolutely hate each other and Harvin was placed on IR following a shouting match with Frasier in the lockerroom. Harvin asked for a trade a year ago, and he's on the last year of his rookie deal. When healthy and motivated, Harvin is a premier athlete and one of the best WRs in the league.

Why would the Jets want Harvin? We're switching the the WC offense and we'll need players who can make plays after the catch. Getting Harvin on the last year of his contract is risky, not only because he can walk in 2014, but also because he's got a lot of Santonio Holmes in him... which brings me to my next point: have Harvin play his ass off for a new deal, like we all know he will, then, in 2014 CUT HOLMES. If Holmes is cut in 2013, that amounts to a cap savings of $1.2M but if he's cut in 2014, that's a whopping $8.25M off the cap! That's about what Harvin will sign for. To recap, in 2013, we'll have Holmes and Harvin running slant routes and then next year, we'll pay Harvin what we owe Holmes and let Holmes go.

2. Cuts:

Jason Smith ($12)
Calvin Pace ($8.56)
Bart Scott ($7.15)
Eric Smith ($3M)
Tim Tebow ($1.53)

That's a cap savings of $33M, bringing us down from $146M to $113. We're now under the projected cap of $121M by $9M, that's before restructuring guys like Harris and Pouha.

I'm not going to go through resigning every single FA, but I do believe that we need to bring back Landry, Brandon Moore and Matt Slausen in that order. That will probably eat up most of our cap room, with the restructuring of existing contracts giving us the room to sign our draft picks.

3. The Draft:

Now this is of course dependent on who we have on our board in 3 months, and as we just watched Te'o cost himself about 20 spots, there's a lot that can happen between today and the draft. I'm using Walter Football's mock as a rough guide for where some guys will go.

Also, having watched Idzik's presser, it's pretty obvious that we'll be looking to trade down out of the #9 spot. So that's what I'm going to have us do:

The NYJ trade the # 9 overall (1350 points) to the Bengals for their #21 (800 points) and #37 (via Oakland 530 points) and a 2014 3rd round pick. Why the Jets make this trade: I don't see us taking a QB in the first round and this draft plateaus after the Top 5. We need to fill multiple holes and need to bank some picks. Why Cincy makes this trade: Cincy is poised to take over the AFC North, but they're one player away. Their safeties are hot garbage and if they want to make the SB, they'll have to stop Pitta, Heath and then Gronk and Hernandez. If they have a shot of getting a guy like Kenny Vaccaro to shore up their secondary, they'll pull the trigger.

Okay, so here are my draft picks:

#21: Dion Jordan (OLB). I'm hoping he falls because of the injury. He might blow everyone away at the combine and become a Top 10 pick, so who knows. If he's not here, I see that Ezekiel Ansah is being mocked in the early 20 range and is drawing some JPP comparisons.

#23: Manti Te'o. If Chance Warmack falls, this is the guy we should get. If Alec Ogeltree is still on the board, we'll choose the best ILB from these two. Our LBers are a joke and since I just cut two of them, we're just left with Harris. Or Run D was pathetic last season. This will help that.

#37: Barrrt Jones (G/C). If Jonathan Cooper falls, then we'll draft him. Either way, whoever is going to be our QB, we'll need to keep him upright. I doubt we resign both Moore and Slauson and if Ducasse starts a game this season, you can pencil in a concussion to whoever is behind C.

#41: Tyler Eifert (TE). Not that I'm a big fan, but he's the best TE available at this spot and we desperately need a TE. Keller is going to become a FA and although I think he might come back, he's still not a good blocker and he's becoming injury prone.

#73: Best CB available. I'm not going to pretend I know the difference between Nickell Robey, Will Davis or Blidi Wreh-Wilson. We got it right between Revis, Aaron Ross and Leon Hall so I trust our guys to take whoever is better to replace Revis down the line... even though no one will ever replace Revis.

#83: Khaseem Greene (LB). Don't know too much about him, but EJ has been texting me about this kid. Apparently he thinks that Greene is going to fly up draft boards and become a last 1st rounder. Whatever, I see him mocked here. If the FO feels comfortable with McIntyre starting, I can see them going for a S like Robert Lester or a RT like Chris Faulk. I actually prefer Faulk here because I think the OL is a bigger need than another LBer since I just drafted 2 in the 1st round... but considering we're so thin at LBer, it may not be a bad thing.

#103: Zac Dysert (QB). This guy is getting a ton of Ben Rothlisberger comparisons, plus he looks like Sunshine from Rememeber the Titans. Let him ride the pine for a year and hopefully he can become what we've been missing.

5th Round: Draft whoever falls, like if Matheui or Denard Robinson is still around, grab them. We need more athletes on this team.

Baby woke up, and I'm pretty much done anyway. Discuss.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

I can see them picking up Dysert, I just dont think Dion Jordan falls to 21 though after trading down (I'd like to have him though). Regardless I think R/LOLB should be taken with the 1st 2 picks (whatever they're going to be). Don't think Mathieu lasts all the way until the 5th...I would have no qualms about picking him up in the 4th though
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 26 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

I can see them picking up Dysert, I just dont think Dion Jordan falls to 21 though after trading down (I'd like to have him though). Regardless I think R/LOLB should be taken with the 1st 2 picks (whatever they're going to be). Don't think Mathieu lasts all the way until the 5th...I would have no qualms about picking him up in the 4th though


I have a major man-crush on Dysert. I'm gonna get more annoying as the draft gets closer.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

We lose cap space by trading Revis, so instead of 9 mil of cap space we would have 5 mil
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I have a major man-crush on Dysert. I'm gonna get more annoying as the draft gets closer.


Is he 2013's Stephen Hill?
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 26 January 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

We lose cap space by trading Revis, so instead of 9 mil of cap space we would have 5 mil


I still don't think that that's accurate. You're looking at the "dead money" column, if a player is traded, his contract doesn't become "dead money".
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

Also not shocked EJ is talking up a Rutgers product
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Is he 2013's Stephen Hill?


Nah. He's actually going to be good.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I still don't think that that's accurate. You're looking at the "dead money" column, if a player is traded, his contract doesn't become "dead money".


The guy who runs that Jets cap site had a article explaining how they lose cap space by trading Revis.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 26 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

The guy who runs that Jets cap site had a article explaining how they lose cap space by trading Revis.


Link it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

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The second hangup comes on the Jets end. The information I have on Revisí contract tells me that he should carry a dead money hit of $12 million in 2013, not $9 million as reported, if the Jets were to trade him. That $12 million comes from an $18 million dollar option bonus he received in 2011 that was prorated from 2011 thru 2016. He is scheduled to count for $9 million against what looks to be a somewhat type cap for the team, so they would lose a net of $3 million for the year plus whatever draft pick and/or player salary they get back for him. So its difficult for both sides to make a deal.



http://www.nyjetscap...elle-revis.html
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

That's good info, but that's based on him tracking the prorated bonuses and bumping his unofficial dead money number by $3m, that's kinda murky.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

SHJ the GM.

Has a ring to it.

(No it doesn't)
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 26 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

SHJ the GM.

Has a ring to it.

(No it doesn't)


Haters gonna hate.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Haters gonna hate.


Coming from the biggest one on this board.

I do like these threads though. People willing to atleast put their shit out there. Good job bud.

Also, Harvin is nothing like Santonio.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

i don't agree with number 1 at all. lets say we do trade rveis which may or may not happen. i don't want it to happen and think its a bad idea but i'm gonna ignore that for sake of argument. Harvin is a bad idea. we already have a 10mil a year WR in holmes and harvin will cost just as much. harvin is also an injury prone WR with concussion and migrane issues. we cant afford to have that much money tied in up WRs we'll never get enough value for revis. no team will give up a stud QB. only way i see him going is for a stud OLB who can rush the passer. and again no team is trading one.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

i don't agree with number 1 at all. lets say we do trade rveis which may or may not happen. i don't want it to happen and think its a bad idea but i'm gonna ignore that for sake of argument. Harvin is a bad idea. we already have a 10mil a year WR in holmes and harvin will cost just as much. harvin is also an injury prone WR with concussion and migrane issues. we cant afford to have that much money tied in up WRs we'll never get enough value for revis. no team will give up a stud QB. only way i see him going is for a stud OLB who can rush the passer. and again no team is trading one.


Not sure if you read everything I wrote, but I have us releasing Holmes in 2014 so we would t hav both Harvin and Holmes making $10M
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:13 AM

Harvin does seem an injury liability. I do think it SHOULD be a priority to resign B Easy as well. He will come cheap & we know while he may not know how to act in public, he is a QBs wooby. I am DEF up for Dirty thirty comin back! I am all for stock piling draft picks...sadly the g@ytriots kick our asses in that respect. Keller will be a casualty which is also why I think Edwards is a needed addition. Im not certain about our TEs on our roster, but I will leave that to the great minds. Epps didnt get much of a chance (other than that tebag throw that got his knee tore up. Are we lookin at RT as a priority? or are we thinking Howard is good enough? Is Vlad ever goin to be worth his salt or we lookin to add sorely needed depth. I Do think on D our priority is our LBs & a CB (if a trade for EITHER cro or revis goes through) Im not feeling safe with Wilson as "THE MAN" on the opposite side.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 27 January 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Not sure if you read everything I wrote, but I have us releasing Holmes in 2014 so we would t hav both Harvin and Holmes making $10M


Thats even worse. SO we esstinally trade away revis to get havrin so we have some WR help then trade away holmes and were back to only having 1 viable WR ATM? and harvin isn't any better then holmes. the problem is o-line and QB more then WR. IN what world is harvin in exchange for revis and holmes help us in any way?
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

SO we esstinally trade away revis to get havrin so we have some WR help then trade away holmes and were back to only having 1 viable WR ATM?


That's funny coming from you. You don't think Hill is going to be a starter in 2014?
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