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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:11 AM) @ArifHasanNFL

.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
MikeGangGree... Icon : (24 April 2015 - 09:40 PM) TEH RANGERS
santana Icon : (24 April 2015 - 11:32 PM) TEH WIZ
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:57 AM) Teh Suarez
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) Vic Beasley is all speed. No moves, no power. Straight up the field. Could have some big games, then nothing in the next
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) If we don't get Mariota, we should be looking at Schreff or trading down, IMO.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:59 AM) A lot of good edge rushers in this draft... I wouldn't want to take Dupree that high.
Jetsman05 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:00 AM) Until next time fellas!
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Helloooooooooo
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 01:19 PM) Bueller
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:33 PM) Manish says the Jets should trade down and draft Andrus Peat round 1
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 04:39 PM) Even an idiot can say something that's right every now and then
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 01:54 PM

Alright, so I'm babysitting and here we go:

First off, we're trading Revis. I don't care that you don't want to. It's going to happen and it's going to happen this season. I'm using Walter Football for my draft pick database and I'm using nyjetscap.com for my salary numbers.

1. Trade Revis to Minnesota Vikings for Percy Harvin, their 1st rounder (#23), their 3rd rounder and a conditional pick next year (that can escalate based on Revis' performance). Why the Jets would do it: we can't resign Revis (don't turn this into another Revis debate, there's a 4 page thread on that already). according to our HC, he wants the FO to get some offensive players and Harvin fits the bill. According to our GM, "the draft is going to be the lifeline" of this team so we'll be stockpiling picks. Why Minny would do it: to get to the top of the NFC North, they have to stop Rodgers, stop Megatron and stop Brandon Marshall. They're not going to get it done with AJ Jefferson starting for 8 weeks. Their draft pick is low enough that it won't seem too expensive. Lastly, Frasier and Harvin absolutely hate each other and Harvin was placed on IR following a shouting match with Frasier in the lockerroom. Harvin asked for a trade a year ago, and he's on the last year of his rookie deal. When healthy and motivated, Harvin is a premier athlete and one of the best WRs in the league.

Why would the Jets want Harvin? We're switching the the WC offense and we'll need players who can make plays after the catch. Getting Harvin on the last year of his contract is risky, not only because he can walk in 2014, but also because he's got a lot of Santonio Holmes in him... which brings me to my next point: have Harvin play his ass off for a new deal, like we all know he will, then, in 2014 CUT HOLMES. If Holmes is cut in 2013, that amounts to a cap savings of $1.2M but if he's cut in 2014, that's a whopping $8.25M off the cap! That's about what Harvin will sign for. To recap, in 2013, we'll have Holmes and Harvin running slant routes and then next year, we'll pay Harvin what we owe Holmes and let Holmes go.

2. Cuts:

Jason Smith ($12)
Calvin Pace ($8.56)
Bart Scott ($7.15)
Eric Smith ($3M)
Tim Tebow ($1.53)

That's a cap savings of $33M, bringing us down from $146M to $113. We're now under the projected cap of $121M by $9M, that's before restructuring guys like Harris and Pouha.

I'm not going to go through resigning every single FA, but I do believe that we need to bring back Landry, Brandon Moore and Matt Slausen in that order. That will probably eat up most of our cap room, with the restructuring of existing contracts giving us the room to sign our draft picks.

3. The Draft:

Now this is of course dependent on who we have on our board in 3 months, and as we just watched Te'o cost himself about 20 spots, there's a lot that can happen between today and the draft. I'm using Walter Football's mock as a rough guide for where some guys will go.

Also, having watched Idzik's presser, it's pretty obvious that we'll be looking to trade down out of the #9 spot. So that's what I'm going to have us do:

The NYJ trade the # 9 overall (1350 points) to the Bengals for their #21 (800 points) and #37 (via Oakland 530 points) and a 2014 3rd round pick. Why the Jets make this trade: I don't see us taking a QB in the first round and this draft plateaus after the Top 5. We need to fill multiple holes and need to bank some picks. Why Cincy makes this trade: Cincy is poised to take over the AFC North, but they're one player away. Their safeties are hot garbage and if they want to make the SB, they'll have to stop Pitta, Heath and then Gronk and Hernandez. If they have a shot of getting a guy like Kenny Vaccaro to shore up their secondary, they'll pull the trigger.

Okay, so here are my draft picks:

#21: Dion Jordan (OLB). I'm hoping he falls because of the injury. He might blow everyone away at the combine and become a Top 10 pick, so who knows. If he's not here, I see that Ezekiel Ansah is being mocked in the early 20 range and is drawing some JPP comparisons.

#23: Manti Te'o. If Chance Warmack falls, this is the guy we should get. If Alec Ogeltree is still on the board, we'll choose the best ILB from these two. Our LBers are a joke and since I just cut two of them, we're just left with Harris. Or Run D was pathetic last season. This will help that.

#37: Barrrt Jones (G/C). If Jonathan Cooper falls, then we'll draft him. Either way, whoever is going to be our QB, we'll need to keep him upright. I doubt we resign both Moore and Slauson and if Ducasse starts a game this season, you can pencil in a concussion to whoever is behind C.

#41: Tyler Eifert (TE). Not that I'm a big fan, but he's the best TE available at this spot and we desperately need a TE. Keller is going to become a FA and although I think he might come back, he's still not a good blocker and he's becoming injury prone.

#73: Best CB available. I'm not going to pretend I know the difference between Nickell Robey, Will Davis or Blidi Wreh-Wilson. We got it right between Revis, Aaron Ross and Leon Hall so I trust our guys to take whoever is better to replace Revis down the line... even though no one will ever replace Revis.

#83: Khaseem Greene (LB). Don't know too much about him, but EJ has been texting me about this kid. Apparently he thinks that Greene is going to fly up draft boards and become a last 1st rounder. Whatever, I see him mocked here. If the FO feels comfortable with McIntyre starting, I can see them going for a S like Robert Lester or a RT like Chris Faulk. I actually prefer Faulk here because I think the OL is a bigger need than another LBer since I just drafted 2 in the 1st round... but considering we're so thin at LBer, it may not be a bad thing.

#103: Zac Dysert (QB). This guy is getting a ton of Ben Rothlisberger comparisons, plus he looks like Sunshine from Rememeber the Titans. Let him ride the pine for a year and hopefully he can become what we've been missing.

5th Round: Draft whoever falls, like if Matheui or Denard Robinson is still around, grab them. We need more athletes on this team.

Baby woke up, and I'm pretty much done anyway. Discuss.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

I can see them picking up Dysert, I just dont think Dion Jordan falls to 21 though after trading down (I'd like to have him though). Regardless I think R/LOLB should be taken with the 1st 2 picks (whatever they're going to be). Don't think Mathieu lasts all the way until the 5th...I would have no qualms about picking him up in the 4th though
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:13 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 26 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

I can see them picking up Dysert, I just dont think Dion Jordan falls to 21 though after trading down (I'd like to have him though). Regardless I think R/LOLB should be taken with the 1st 2 picks (whatever they're going to be). Don't think Mathieu lasts all the way until the 5th...I would have no qualms about picking him up in the 4th though


I have a major man-crush on Dysert. I'm gonna get more annoying as the draft gets closer.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:21 PM

We lose cap space by trading Revis, so instead of 9 mil of cap space we would have 5 mil
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I have a major man-crush on Dysert. I'm gonna get more annoying as the draft gets closer.


Is he 2013's Stephen Hill?
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 26 January 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

We lose cap space by trading Revis, so instead of 9 mil of cap space we would have 5 mil


I still don't think that that's accurate. You're looking at the "dead money" column, if a player is traded, his contract doesn't become "dead money".
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

Also not shocked EJ is talking up a Rutgers product
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:25 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Is he 2013's Stephen Hill?


Nah. He's actually going to be good.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

I still don't think that that's accurate. You're looking at the "dead money" column, if a player is traded, his contract doesn't become "dead money".


The guy who runs that Jets cap site had a article explaining how they lose cap space by trading Revis.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 26 January 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

The guy who runs that Jets cap site had a article explaining how they lose cap space by trading Revis.


Link it.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 02:31 PM

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The second hangup comes on the Jets end. The information I have on Revisí contract tells me that he should carry a dead money hit of $12 million in 2013, not $9 million as reported, if the Jets were to trade him. That $12 million comes from an $18 million dollar option bonus he received in 2011 that was prorated from 2011 thru 2016. He is scheduled to count for $9 million against what looks to be a somewhat type cap for the team, so they would lose a net of $3 million for the year plus whatever draft pick and/or player salary they get back for him. So its difficult for both sides to make a deal.



http://www.nyjetscap...elle-revis.html
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

That's good info, but that's based on him tracking the prorated bonuses and bumping his unofficial dead money number by $3m, that's kinda murky.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:29 PM

SHJ the GM.

Has a ring to it.

(No it doesn't)
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 26 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

SHJ the GM.

Has a ring to it.

(No it doesn't)


Haters gonna hate.
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Posted 26 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 26 January 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Haters gonna hate.


Coming from the biggest one on this board.

I do like these threads though. People willing to atleast put their shit out there. Good job bud.

Also, Harvin is nothing like Santonio.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

i don't agree with number 1 at all. lets say we do trade rveis which may or may not happen. i don't want it to happen and think its a bad idea but i'm gonna ignore that for sake of argument. Harvin is a bad idea. we already have a 10mil a year WR in holmes and harvin will cost just as much. harvin is also an injury prone WR with concussion and migrane issues. we cant afford to have that much money tied in up WRs we'll never get enough value for revis. no team will give up a stud QB. only way i see him going is for a stud OLB who can rush the passer. and again no team is trading one.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

i don't agree with number 1 at all. lets say we do trade rveis which may or may not happen. i don't want it to happen and think its a bad idea but i'm gonna ignore that for sake of argument. Harvin is a bad idea. we already have a 10mil a year WR in holmes and harvin will cost just as much. harvin is also an injury prone WR with concussion and migrane issues. we cant afford to have that much money tied in up WRs we'll never get enough value for revis. no team will give up a stud QB. only way i see him going is for a stud OLB who can rush the passer. and again no team is trading one.


Not sure if you read everything I wrote, but I have us releasing Holmes in 2014 so we would t hav both Harvin and Holmes making $10M
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:13 AM

Harvin does seem an injury liability. I do think it SHOULD be a priority to resign B Easy as well. He will come cheap & we know while he may not know how to act in public, he is a QBs wooby. I am DEF up for Dirty thirty comin back! I am all for stock piling draft picks...sadly the g@ytriots kick our asses in that respect. Keller will be a casualty which is also why I think Edwards is a needed addition. Im not certain about our TEs on our roster, but I will leave that to the great minds. Epps didnt get much of a chance (other than that tebag throw that got his knee tore up. Are we lookin at RT as a priority? or are we thinking Howard is good enough? Is Vlad ever goin to be worth his salt or we lookin to add sorely needed depth. I Do think on D our priority is our LBs & a CB (if a trade for EITHER cro or revis goes through) Im not feeling safe with Wilson as "THE MAN" on the opposite side.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 27 January 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

Not sure if you read everything I wrote, but I have us releasing Holmes in 2014 so we would t hav both Harvin and Holmes making $10M


Thats even worse. SO we esstinally trade away revis to get havrin so we have some WR help then trade away holmes and were back to only having 1 viable WR ATM? and harvin isn't any better then holmes. the problem is o-line and QB more then WR. IN what world is harvin in exchange for revis and holmes help us in any way?
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

SO we esstinally trade away revis to get havrin so we have some WR help then trade away holmes and were back to only having 1 viable WR ATM?


That's funny coming from you. You don't think Hill is going to be a starter in 2014?
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