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azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 10:08 AM) So did we make a trade for a CB yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:51 PM) Milliner did suffer a high ankle sprain, that sucks. could linger all year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:52 PM) I think Patterson sucked vs the Colts because he was injured, which he always is.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:49 PM) As much as people criticized Tannanbaum for spending too much. It's starting to look like Idzik is going to be too cheap.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Today, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Today, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 28 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

That's funny coming from you. You don't think Hill is going to be a starter in 2014?


whether i think he is or not, its not smart to rely on it. Yes i think he will be great, but we already know revis is great and the best CB in the NFL by far. you don't trade away somebody who is the best at their position for a bunch of unknown question marks.

Right now if you look up and down our roster were set at these postions

CB (revis, cro, wilson)
ILB (harris, davis)
DE (wilk and coples)
LT, C, RG (brick, mangold, moore)

everything else has issues
WRs lack depth and experiance
QB is a joke
LG and RT is a joke
RBs are average at best abd greene is a FA
TE is a joke of keller walks
OLB = old and slow
DT only pohua and he's been hurt lately and isn't young
Get it done MT
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

I actually wouldn't be as mad about that trade with Revis, get a 1st round pick and a explosive offensive player.


I'm a fan of Tyler Eifert as well, I watched him play and he has skill. I would love drafting him.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

We're set at ILB? Ha...

Eifert will be Rudolph 2.0. Think he's a very safe pick.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:35 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

CB (revis, cro, wilson)
ILB (harris, davis)
DE (wilk and coples)
LT, C, RG (brick, mangold, moore)


ILB: Davis played sparingly and I like him as a prospect but I don't know if he's ready to start full time. Harris might be a candidate to get cut in 2014 because of the contract he got. He'll probably restructure tho. He's a damn good player, but he's making All Pro money.

RG: Moore is a FA and I don't know if we have the cap room to bring him back.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

David Harris is NOT a damn good player.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

David Harris is NOT a damn good player.


Either way, he's a chopping block candidate because he's n or living up to his deal
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

i say if we trade revis, trade him to new orleans for a 1st rnd pick and ivory (and whatever else we can get out of them; maybe a third rnd pick). ivory is a hard runner. he reminds me of marshawn lynch. also the saints first rnd pick is 15th i think. having the 9th and 15th pick allows us to move down for more picks. i really want us to draft chance warmack. hes gonna be a stud and we can finally go back to running the ball well. then we can get the pass rusher we so desperately need too.

this is just my scenario if the jets decide to trade revis. i dont wanna see him go.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

Either way, he's a chopping block candidate because he's n or living up to his deal


Definitely. I was against giving it to him then and definitely more-so now.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Definitely. I was against giving it to him then and definitely more-so now.


he mihgt be overpaid for his performance the past year, but he is still a dam good player. just not 10 mil a year worth. and there was a time on hos rookie deal where he was a top 5 ILB in the game and probably is still at elast top 10. he's no patrick willis, but he still alot better then what most teams have. and the 3-4 defense doesn't need great ILBs unless your willis or ray lewis your not going to ahve a game changing ILB. its built on OLBs
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Funny to say you don't need impact for ILB's then mention the two best defenses - big surprise, with the best ILB's. David Harris was made by a Bart Scott and Kris Jenkins in their prime, who destroyed blocks for him and ate up offensive lineman. As shown many times in the past few seasons, if you can get hands on David Harris, he's invisible. Absolutely awful at getting off blocks. Therefore, not a damn good player. He's as good as the people playing next to him (and infront of him).

Decent. Not damn good.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Funny to say you don't need impact for ILB's then mention the two best defenses - big surprise, with the best ILB's. David Harris was made by a Bart Scott and Kris Jenkins in their prime, who destroyed blocks for him and ate up offensive lineman. As shown many times in the past few seasons, if you can get hands on David Harris, he's invisible. Absolutely awful at getting off blocks. Therefore, not a damn good player. He's as good as the people playing next to him (and infront of him).

Decent. Not damn good.


i think we'd be fine with mauga and davis to be honest. if we cna get an OLB. your forgetting what wilis and lewis have around them.

niners have justin smith and aldon rushing the passer
ravens have ngata and suggs.

you can take willis form teh niners and their D would be just fine. I just don't think we need to have amazing LBers to run our Defense. well not ILBs
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 January 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

i think we'd be fine with mauga and davis to be honest. if we cna get an OLB. your forgetting what wilis and lewis have around them.

niners have justin smith and aldon rushing the passer
ravens have ngata and suggs.

you can take willis form teh niners and their D would be just fine. I just don't think we need to have amazing LBers to run our Defense. well not ILBs


There's a reason we were near the bottom of the league in run defense. And that starts from the inside out. Lack of an interior DL presence, and overrated ILB's.

Ray Lewis struggles with getting off blocks - that's why they make sure they have a strong DL anchored by Ngata, and a ILB next to him that eats up blocks. The same way Bart Scott and Jenkins used to help Harris. When Harris is able to free-flow, he's a stud. But that's not always the case.

In the 9ers case, both Bowman and Willis destroy blocks. They are monsters. Best two ILB's in football.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

There's a reason we were near the bottom of the league in run defense. And that starts from the inside out. Lack of an interior DL presence, and overrated ILB's.

Ray Lewis struggles with getting off blocks - that's why they make sure they have a strong DL anchored by Ngata, and a ILB next to him that eats up blocks. The same way Bart Scott and Jenkins used to help Harris. When Harris is able to free-flow, he's a stud. But that's not always the case.

In the 9ers case, both Bowman and Willis destroy blocks. They are monsters. Best two ILB's in football.


I'd invest in a NT before ILBs perosnally. since when do line backers win championships? they don't. Games are won by QBs and more importantly in the trenches. the lines are the key to success
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

I'm going to try and do a mock offseason.

Release-
Bart Scott, saves 7.2 mil
Calvin Pace, saves 8.6 mil
Jason Smith, saves 12 mil
Eric Smith, saves 3 mil
Sione Pouha, saves 3.8 mil
Tim Tebow, saves 1.5 mil

saves 36.1 mil. Drops our team cap to 110.9 mil. We will carry over around $3 mil from unused money last season, so our max cap is around $124 mil. So we are about 13.1 mil under the cap.

Trades-

Antonio Cromartie to Detroit for a 2013 2nd round pick and 2014 conditional pick based on performance and playing time. Saves Jets $8.25 mil against the cap, the Lions need CB help badly and Cro fits their scheme pretty well and his value is at its highest right now. The only problem is I think the Lions may have cap problems, not sure though so might not make sense oh well.

Jets cap drops from 110.9 to 102.65, so we are under by 21.35 mil.

Trade a 4th round pick for Matt Flynn, he will cost about $5 mil against the cap. reports are the Seahawks would trade him for a mid round pick. Maybe have to add a 2014 conditional pick. Fits in with the WCO.
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Trade a 2nd round pick for Percy Harvin, the Vikings are going to get rid of him probably and the Jets need offensive players.
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Restructures-
David Harris has a $13 mil cap hit, he has to restructure his contract to save the Jets more money. Players do it all of the time because they get their money still and it saves Jets cap space.

Santonio Holmes has a $12.8 mil cap hit, see if he will restructure.

Nick Mangold has a $9 mil cap hit, see if he will restructure.

Brick can't restructure since he did last season and players can't do it 2 years in a row.

Hopefully the Jets can save around $10 mil in cap space by restructuring these 3 contracts. I'll say we save $10 mil for this so our cap drops to 92 mil and we are under by 32 mil. $5 mil of that is for rookie contracts, so we really have $27 mil to spend on players.



Re-sign.
Austin Howard will be tendered, probably cost around $1.6 mil or something.
Mike Devito, good character and plays many roles on the line. Shouldn't cost much.
Nick Folk
Brandon Moore, depends on how much he wants. But I would say about $3 mil a year.
Braylon Edwards, cheap 1 year signing could end up being cut in camp.
Jeff Cumberland.
Yeremiah Bell, he'll be cheap.
Jason Smith for cheap

Let Greene and Landry walk. Franchise Keller, $5 mil against the cap charge.

Lock up Darrelle Revis, sign him for about $12-14 mil a year. Set up his contract so that he doesn't have a huge cap hit this season, keep it around the $9 mil cap hit he currently has. We have a lot of cap space in 2014 and in the future.



FA
Sign Connor Barwin, coming off of a down year but is young and athletic.

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Draft-

Trade down from pick 9 to some team wanting to trade up, if there is that option. Depending on where we trade down we could get a extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. I'll say we don't trade down far so we get a extra 3rd.

1-Dion Jordan, has the length you want for a pass rusher and athleticism to drop into coverage and play in space.
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2-Stepfan Taylor, we need a #1 RB and Taylor is that man. He can catch out of the backfield, has the speed to break big runs.
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3-Some OG or OT, don't know who to take Or Manti Te'o if he slips this far.

3-TJ McDonald.
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5-Tyrann Mathieu
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QB-Matt Flynn, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy.
RB-Stepfan Taylor, Bilal Powell, Joe McKnight
WR-Santonio Holmes, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Kerley, BRaylon Edwards, Stephen Hill
TE-Dustin Keller, Jeff Cumberland, Konrad Reuland (probably will add someone somewhere).

LT-D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jason Smith
LG-rookie or Caleb Schlauderaff
C-Nick Mangold, Caleb Schlauderaff
RG-Brandon Moore, VLadd Ducasse
RT-Austin Howard, maybe a rookie

DE-Quinton Coples
NT-Kenrick Ellis, Mike Devito, Damon Harrison
DT-Muhammad Wilkerson
OLB-Dion Jordan
ILB-David Harris
ILB-DeMario Davis
OLB-Connor Barwin
CB-Darrelle Revis, Ellis Lankster, Darrin Walls
S-TJ McDonald, Josh Bush
S-Yeremiah Bell, Antonio Allen, Tyrann Mathieu
CB-Kyle Wilson, Tyrann Mathieu. Probably add more CBs somewhere idk

K-Nick Folk
P-Robert Mallone


Yeah, probably wouldn't happen but I would love that offseason.
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