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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:55 PM) updated roster. FB howsare released, TE bowman added to roster
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:48 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 28 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

That's funny coming from you. You don't think Hill is going to be a starter in 2014?


whether i think he is or not, its not smart to rely on it. Yes i think he will be great, but we already know revis is great and the best CB in the NFL by far. you don't trade away somebody who is the best at their position for a bunch of unknown question marks.

Right now if you look up and down our roster were set at these postions

CB (revis, cro, wilson)
ILB (harris, davis)
DE (wilk and coples)
LT, C, RG (brick, mangold, moore)

everything else has issues
WRs lack depth and experiance
QB is a joke
LG and RT is a joke
RBs are average at best abd greene is a FA
TE is a joke of keller walks
OLB = old and slow
DT only pohua and he's been hurt lately and isn't young
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

I actually wouldn't be as mad about that trade with Revis, get a 1st round pick and a explosive offensive player.


I'm a fan of Tyler Eifert as well, I watched him play and he has skill. I would love drafting him.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

We're set at ILB? Ha...

Eifert will be Rudolph 2.0. Think he's a very safe pick.



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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:35 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 28 January 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

CB (revis, cro, wilson)
ILB (harris, davis)
DE (wilk and coples)
LT, C, RG (brick, mangold, moore)


ILB: Davis played sparingly and I like him as a prospect but I don't know if he's ready to start full time. Harris might be a candidate to get cut in 2014 because of the contract he got. He'll probably restructure tho. He's a damn good player, but he's making All Pro money.

RG: Moore is a FA and I don't know if we have the cap room to bring him back.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:59 AM

David Harris is NOT a damn good player.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:39 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

David Harris is NOT a damn good player.


Either way, he's a chopping block candidate because he's n or living up to his deal
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

i say if we trade revis, trade him to new orleans for a 1st rnd pick and ivory (and whatever else we can get out of them; maybe a third rnd pick). ivory is a hard runner. he reminds me of marshawn lynch. also the saints first rnd pick is 15th i think. having the 9th and 15th pick allows us to move down for more picks. i really want us to draft chance warmack. hes gonna be a stud and we can finally go back to running the ball well. then we can get the pass rusher we so desperately need too.

this is just my scenario if the jets decide to trade revis. i dont wanna see him go.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 01:55 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 29 January 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

Either way, he's a chopping block candidate because he's n or living up to his deal


Definitely. I was against giving it to him then and definitely more-so now.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:34 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 10:55 AM, said:

Definitely. I was against giving it to him then and definitely more-so now.


he mihgt be overpaid for his performance the past year, but he is still a dam good player. just not 10 mil a year worth. and there was a time on hos rookie deal where he was a top 5 ILB in the game and probably is still at elast top 10. he's no patrick willis, but he still alot better then what most teams have. and the 3-4 defense doesn't need great ILBs unless your willis or ray lewis your not going to ahve a game changing ILB. its built on OLBs
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Funny to say you don't need impact for ILB's then mention the two best defenses - big surprise, with the best ILB's. David Harris was made by a Bart Scott and Kris Jenkins in their prime, who destroyed blocks for him and ate up offensive lineman. As shown many times in the past few seasons, if you can get hands on David Harris, he's invisible. Absolutely awful at getting off blocks. Therefore, not a damn good player. He's as good as the people playing next to him (and infront of him).

Decent. Not damn good.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Funny to say you don't need impact for ILB's then mention the two best defenses - big surprise, with the best ILB's. David Harris was made by a Bart Scott and Kris Jenkins in their prime, who destroyed blocks for him and ate up offensive lineman. As shown many times in the past few seasons, if you can get hands on David Harris, he's invisible. Absolutely awful at getting off blocks. Therefore, not a damn good player. He's as good as the people playing next to him (and infront of him).

Decent. Not damn good.


i think we'd be fine with mauga and davis to be honest. if we cna get an OLB. your forgetting what wilis and lewis have around them.

niners have justin smith and aldon rushing the passer
ravens have ngata and suggs.

you can take willis form teh niners and their D would be just fine. I just don't think we need to have amazing LBers to run our Defense. well not ILBs
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 January 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

i think we'd be fine with mauga and davis to be honest. if we cna get an OLB. your forgetting what wilis and lewis have around them.

niners have justin smith and aldon rushing the passer
ravens have ngata and suggs.

you can take willis form teh niners and their D would be just fine. I just don't think we need to have amazing LBers to run our Defense. well not ILBs


There's a reason we were near the bottom of the league in run defense. And that starts from the inside out. Lack of an interior DL presence, and overrated ILB's.

Ray Lewis struggles with getting off blocks - that's why they make sure they have a strong DL anchored by Ngata, and a ILB next to him that eats up blocks. The same way Bart Scott and Jenkins used to help Harris. When Harris is able to free-flow, he's a stud. But that's not always the case.

In the 9ers case, both Bowman and Willis destroy blocks. They are monsters. Best two ILB's in football.
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

There's a reason we were near the bottom of the league in run defense. And that starts from the inside out. Lack of an interior DL presence, and overrated ILB's.

Ray Lewis struggles with getting off blocks - that's why they make sure they have a strong DL anchored by Ngata, and a ILB next to him that eats up blocks. The same way Bart Scott and Jenkins used to help Harris. When Harris is able to free-flow, he's a stud. But that's not always the case.

In the 9ers case, both Bowman and Willis destroy blocks. They are monsters. Best two ILB's in football.


I'd invest in a NT before ILBs perosnally. since when do line backers win championships? they don't. Games are won by QBs and more importantly in the trenches. the lines are the key to success
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Posted 01 February 2013 - 01:03 PM

I'm going to try and do a mock offseason.

Release-
Bart Scott, saves 7.2 mil
Calvin Pace, saves 8.6 mil
Jason Smith, saves 12 mil
Eric Smith, saves 3 mil
Sione Pouha, saves 3.8 mil
Tim Tebow, saves 1.5 mil

saves 36.1 mil. Drops our team cap to 110.9 mil. We will carry over around $3 mil from unused money last season, so our max cap is around $124 mil. So we are about 13.1 mil under the cap.

Trades-

Antonio Cromartie to Detroit for a 2013 2nd round pick and 2014 conditional pick based on performance and playing time. Saves Jets $8.25 mil against the cap, the Lions need CB help badly and Cro fits their scheme pretty well and his value is at its highest right now. The only problem is I think the Lions may have cap problems, not sure though so might not make sense oh well.

Jets cap drops from 110.9 to 102.65, so we are under by 21.35 mil.

Trade a 4th round pick for Matt Flynn, he will cost about $5 mil against the cap. reports are the Seahawks would trade him for a mid round pick. Maybe have to add a 2014 conditional pick. Fits in with the WCO.
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Trade a 2nd round pick for Percy Harvin, the Vikings are going to get rid of him probably and the Jets need offensive players.
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Restructures-
David Harris has a $13 mil cap hit, he has to restructure his contract to save the Jets more money. Players do it all of the time because they get their money still and it saves Jets cap space.

Santonio Holmes has a $12.8 mil cap hit, see if he will restructure.

Nick Mangold has a $9 mil cap hit, see if he will restructure.

Brick can't restructure since he did last season and players can't do it 2 years in a row.

Hopefully the Jets can save around $10 mil in cap space by restructuring these 3 contracts. I'll say we save $10 mil for this so our cap drops to 92 mil and we are under by 32 mil. $5 mil of that is for rookie contracts, so we really have $27 mil to spend on players.



Re-sign.
Austin Howard will be tendered, probably cost around $1.6 mil or something.
Mike Devito, good character and plays many roles on the line. Shouldn't cost much.
Nick Folk
Brandon Moore, depends on how much he wants. But I would say about $3 mil a year.
Braylon Edwards, cheap 1 year signing could end up being cut in camp.
Jeff Cumberland.
Yeremiah Bell, he'll be cheap.
Jason Smith for cheap

Let Greene and Landry walk. Franchise Keller, $5 mil against the cap charge.

Lock up Darrelle Revis, sign him for about $12-14 mil a year. Set up his contract so that he doesn't have a huge cap hit this season, keep it around the $9 mil cap hit he currently has. We have a lot of cap space in 2014 and in the future.



FA
Sign Connor Barwin, coming off of a down year but is young and athletic.

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Draft-

Trade down from pick 9 to some team wanting to trade up, if there is that option. Depending on where we trade down we could get a extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. I'll say we don't trade down far so we get a extra 3rd.

1-Dion Jordan, has the length you want for a pass rusher and athleticism to drop into coverage and play in space.
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2-Stepfan Taylor, we need a #1 RB and Taylor is that man. He can catch out of the backfield, has the speed to break big runs.
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3-Some OG or OT, don't know who to take Or Manti Te'o if he slips this far.

3-TJ McDonald.
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5-Tyrann Mathieu
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QB-Matt Flynn, Mark Sanchez, Greg McElroy.
RB-Stepfan Taylor, Bilal Powell, Joe McKnight
WR-Santonio Holmes, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Kerley, BRaylon Edwards, Stephen Hill
TE-Dustin Keller, Jeff Cumberland, Konrad Reuland (probably will add someone somewhere).

LT-D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jason Smith
LG-rookie or Caleb Schlauderaff
C-Nick Mangold, Caleb Schlauderaff
RG-Brandon Moore, VLadd Ducasse
RT-Austin Howard, maybe a rookie

DE-Quinton Coples
NT-Kenrick Ellis, Mike Devito, Damon Harrison
DT-Muhammad Wilkerson
OLB-Dion Jordan
ILB-David Harris
ILB-DeMario Davis
OLB-Connor Barwin
CB-Darrelle Revis, Ellis Lankster, Darrin Walls
S-TJ McDonald, Josh Bush
S-Yeremiah Bell, Antonio Allen, Tyrann Mathieu
CB-Kyle Wilson, Tyrann Mathieu. Probably add more CBs somewhere idk

K-Nick Folk
P-Robert Mallone


Yeah, probably wouldn't happen but I would love that offseason.
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