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Jets win 3-1. Beat dolphins so bad that philbin isnt allowed back from england.
Jetsman05 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 06:30 AM) Rob you're brutal
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Who should I start this week in fantasy football? Its a PPR league. I can start 3 of the WRs Edelman-/D-Thomas/Mike Evans/James Jones
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:30 PM) Edelman and Thomas are must start
MikeGangGree... Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:31 PM) So do I start Evans against Jax or James Jones vs STL
Jetsfan115 Icon : (07 October 2015 - 01:45 PM) jones. winston likes jackson more then evans
RetireChrebet Icon : (08 October 2015 - 01:47 PM) My two year old daughter is less manic and is able to maintain her composure much better than someone we know here ....
azjetfan Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:07 PM) Dolphins have also fired their DC
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:24 PM) I am composed. 115 and I may see things differently but he has never pissed me off. He is just trying to make his point of view and I mine nothing more
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:25 PM) I just feel the rule is a very bad rule to give the offense the ball back for losing the ball in the endzone because of a batted ball and feel the NFL is far to offense firendly these days thats all
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:27 PM) I know many agree with that. I get that many changes have been made to limit things like brain damage and other injuries some season ending and career ending but defenses cant play hard like they used to and pathetic calls on defenses have ruinbed many games.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:29 PM) Thats why brought up the Jets Fish game. The balls were clearly uncatcahable and a light tug on the jersey shouldn't be a pi. Whatever happened to the uncatchable ball rule?"
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:33 PM) and as far as that montage I did have ESPN on for 2 hours after the game because I wanted to see all the reactions and get a clear understanding of this old rule and I never saw a bunch of clips where flags were thrown for the play in question. So I asked for proof. If it was on ESPN it wasn't on ESPN1 maybe ESPN 2 ,3 or news. Its not wrong or brutal to ask for proof when he stated he saw it on ESPN I had the channel on and didn't see what he claimed he saw and still haven't seen any video of proof of his claims
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:36 PM) But as I said not mad at all. 115 and I are cool and always have been Ive never been mad at him in anyway. This is a fan forum and we dispute. If we all agreed on everything there would be no point of the forum. Disputes on stats and calls make things interesting, and makes each of use see things from different points of view
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) it was on whatever channel the game itself came on
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:56 PM) and for the record I don't have any issue with anything rob said. I just disagree with it
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) I do think rules are too offense friendly, but I think in this case, when someone blatently breaks a rule ti should be punished
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) but then again pacman got away with ripping off a players helmet and didn't get a penatly
Jetsfan115 Icon : (08 October 2015 - 03:57 PM) refs need to be more consistent
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:04 PM) Hell yeah! Pac 12 AZ State Jaelen Strong. Not a Texans fan but and dont watch a ton of college football but do watch the Pac 12 for football and basketball growing up in Phoenix and also a Suns fan and liking the Cardinals since they moved to AZ .Was a Jets fan though before Az got the cardinals . Strong was really good for AZ State.
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:05 PM) Havent studied up on strong for the Texans but will have to since the announcers said he hasnt played much. I want to know if he has been injured or not performing. He has good hands and size
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:08 PM) I actually was debating on starting the Colts witth Jets D on bye week glad I dropped them. Wasn't much to choose from. Some decent defenses but bad matchups. took a chance on the Jags this week hoping they can shut down Tampa
ROBJETS Icon : (08 October 2015 - 09:10 PM) Oh and thanks for that 115. people took it wrong. we were simply debating our opinions with passion for our love of football with no animosity and people took it wrong. Easy to misunderstand texts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:21 AM) yeah people don't realize it's ok to disagree on the internet without it being 2 people hating each other lol
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) I think if the defense touches a live football in the end zone, period, it should be ruled a touchback.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:30 PM) Talking about fumbles, not passes, of course.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:31 PM) That's the simplest way to combat any confusion about the rule.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 12:32 PM) If you don't like that rule, then don't fumble in the end zone your trying to score in.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 02:21 PM) it's gotta be possession.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I know what the rule is. In proposing a rule change. Evidently, the way it is now is too complicated. If a defense touches a live football in the end zone it should be their ball at the 20. Problem solved.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 04:03 PM) I'm*
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) what if the defense touches it whole trying tor ecover but doens't get it and the offense jumps on it first?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 05:56 PM) You may not agree with it 115 but the way I look at it is if the offense recovered it it would be a touchdown. Its ok for a punter, qb, or rb ,etc. to deliberately take a safety so they dont get a punt blocked for a td or to avoid giving the ball up on the 1-2 yard line giving up a near definite td. An also those safeties by the O sometimes saves the game because giving up 2 instead of 7 keeps the game in reach at times.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:03 PM) Thats why I disagree with the rule. The offense gets the breaks of only giving up 2 points on O. but when fumbkling into the endzone and out it is always ruled a touchback even if the defender or O tries to recoiver the ball in the endzone and the ball goes out of bounds. Thats why I think batting the ball out of the endzone should still be a touchback instead of giving the ball back to the O that fumbled the ball into the endzone. Just dont feel that they should get a chance to get the ball back for an almost automatic td when they fumbled into the endzone just because of a batted ball. Its something that could litterally cause the defense that made a great play to lose simply because of a vbatted ball. Yet if they try to recover it it and it goes out its a touchback. I just feel its to game changing and a bad rule to give the O the ball back after they messed up bad because that play was the difference between a win and loss. The O fumbles so giving the O the ball back is like saying your great def play was worthless.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:04 PM) Just feel that its a bad rule since it would have almost definitely changed the game winner.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:08 PM) Just to many good rules for the O these days and to many bad rules for the D. this isn't college where offense dominates in most games. In the pros I want to see an equal playing field and not how its become so offensive friendly. Our own Jets have lost a lot of games on defensive calls alone after stopping the O. 3rd down and a mile and a penalty cost a 1st down and in many cases the game for us. Basically that's why I'm against the rule. I want an equal playing field in the pros nothing more.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) Offense is in control of the ball, they should have that option. Both teams get to play offense it's not unfiar
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) a major defensive play is more game changing then a major offensive play too.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:26 PM) turnover ratio is better linked to win/loss then any other stat
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:27 PM) even in your case the offense gives up 2 point and posession back with good field position and ball control
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:33 PM) Lets just a agree to disagree on this topic. We both see the situation different and neither of us will budge on this. best we just let it go and see if the NFL starts enforcing the rule more or changes it at some point. Either way. All the coaches and players in the league now know the rule so I doubt it will deliberately happen again any time soon....but then again who knows...in the games there are a lot of stupid fouls out of frustration, taunting, etc.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:34 PM) And the fans and officials are now aware of a rule almost no one but the officials knew.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 06:37 PM) Heck Im upset that we arent 4-0 right now with all thr mistakes against the Eagles and still almost coming back. I feel we need every win we can get especially with the Bills looking decent and always having to deal with the pats every year. Be nice to win the division for once. So tired of seeing the Pats win and get a bye almost every year.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:12 PM) Why do the Jets DBs have to talk about the Giants WRs!!? Why can't they just worry about our own team.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) I think all jets fans remember the last time our DBs talked crap about a Giants WR..
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 11:13 PM) The jets should just worry about the Jets!!
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:01 PM

A look at New York's philosophy, team needs and a key free-agent move

Team philosophies

Offense -- This will be an interesting offense to watch as the season unfolds. We know that Rex Ryan wanted to have a run-oriented offense a year ago to complement his aggressive defense, but he did not have the personnel to get it done. Under former coordinator Tony Sparano this offense seemed to have little creativity and there was no flow to it. Ryan replaced Sparano with ex-Eagles coach Marty Mornhinweg -- which is an interesting choice because he is a West Coast proponent and Philadelphia's offense was probably 60-40 in the pass-run ratio.

However, what a lot of people don't realize is that Mornhinweg likes to run the ball a lot more than most West Coast offenses, so the Jets will likely have more balance than expected. He will throw a lot of underneath and crossing routes with occasional deep shots off play-action and misdirection -- and screen plays will have a role in this offense. But most importantly this will be a smarter, assignment-oriented offense.

Defense -- Dennis Thurman is the new coordinator, but this is still Ryan's defense and the scheme will be the same. It will be a basic 3-4 package with some 4-3 looks to occasionally fit better with the personnel. As much as Ryan has a reputation as a blitz-happy coach, the Jets do not attack as much as you might think; when they can drop seven defenders into coverage they are better off. They will play games up front, will line up in a lot of tight man schemes on the back end and they even have a 4-2-5 look that they can use as their base package at times. We might even see some of Buddy Ryan's old 4-6 schemes with some overload looks. They will confuse offenses with different alignments before the snap.

Team needs

1. Outside linebacker -- In this 3-4 scheme the pressure is expected to come from the outside linebackers, but to Ryan's credit he has done it for years with smoke and mirrors. Can you imagine how much more productive this defense would be with edge pressure to complement its solid cover corners? The only real quality player across this entire front is defensive end Muhammad Wilkerson. With so many needs on both sides of the ball and limited money to spend, the Jets should stay with their only recent recipe for success, which is to continue to build their defense and bring along the offense as fast as possible, which won't be easy. They Jets have almost nothing at this position right now and they need at least one, and possibly two, impact starters.

2. Quarterback -- This position has disaster written all over it and it doesn't look as though there are a lot of easy answers to fix it. Can the Jets live with Mark Sanchez for another year while they fix other areas of this team, or do they bite the bullet now and try a quarterback makeover in 2013? With a sputtering run game and limited passing weapons, the challenge for a productive quarterback position is huge. You would think that the Jets would much prefer finding a quality unrestricted veteran to either compete with Sanchez or replace him, but the financial restraints will make that tough to do.

3. Safety -- The back end of this defense will require some serious attention in free agency and the draft, especially with the Jets now actively shopping Darrelle Revis. The coaches got everything they expected out of veteran starters free safety LaRon Landry and strong safety Yeremiah Bell, but both guys are unrestricted free agents and both could be gone. Bell is 35 years old and near the end of his career and Landry will likely leave for a more lucrative deal than the contract the Jets can offer him.

4. Wide receiver -- This offense has virtually no playmakers for whoever is at quarterback, and the vertical passing game is almost nonexistent. There are names in this unit, but the Jets need a No. 1 speed receiver and none of their current receivers on the outside can create separation.

5. Offensive line -- Two-fifths of the line, center Nick Mangold and left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson, is solid, but after that the Jets need youth and depth at either guard or right tackle. This unit is closer to needing a makeover than most people realize.

6. Nose tackle -- Age and injuries have caught up to starter Sione Pouha, and backup Kenrick Ellis failed to impress when he replaced him. This is a key position in this defense and right now the coaches can't count on either player.

-- Gary Horton

Key free-agent move

Victor Butler, LB, UFA

The Jets are in the midst of overhauling their roster and are constricted by a number of poorly constructed contracts that leave them limited in what they can spend this offseason.

Butler isn't a high-profile name, but he's a player ready to make starting contributions after playing behind DeMarcus Ware and Anthony Spencer in Dallas for Rex Ryan's twin brother, Rob.

Butler has good quickness off the edge and was productive in a rotational role down the stretch in 2012, finishing with three sacks and three forced fumbles in the final nine games of the season.

He's just 25 years old and would give the Jets a natural rush player to help build their defense around. Quinton Coples should be improved in his second year, and the Jets will count on the continued development of other youngsters along the defensive front.

There's no shortage of offensive needs for the Jets, but landing a player in Butler who can help bolster a defense that slipped to 20th in points allowed in 2012 would be a feather in the cap of new GM John Idzik.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 11:43 AM

Pretty much agree with the whole article. Good post!
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