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HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (31 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (31 August 2014 - 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (31 August 2014 - 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 06:58 AM) ^^^ agreed
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) all the admins on this page should be fired
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 12:25 PM) for being assclowns
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:17 PM) The Jets are fucked at CB, signing some bums now. We need Milliner to get healthy
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 04:20 PM) We have signed CB Phillip Adams
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) The Gayders are playing Derek Carr against the JETS
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 05:55 PM) our D Line better put him in a WORLD OF PAIN
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 06:11 PM) Rookie QB in our house...Rex do your thing!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 09:56 PM) with Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls as our starting CBs
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:00 PM) our offense should be better than last year, Geno looks more comfortable
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:03 PM) The Jets released Jeremiah George and Ellis Lankster, hopefully George finds his way to the PS. AJ Edds was re-signed
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Posted 15 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

I know that it has become fashionable to bash the Jets these days and take shots at them no matter what they do, but through two days, free agency 2013 has actually not been even close to the disaster it seems like for the team. Fortunately, it appears as though the team actually has a plan for the first time in a few seasons, and itís off to a good start. While it may look like the team is being dismantled as free agent after free agent leave for greener pastures, it is actually the best thing that could be happening for this franchise, and in most cases, they already have a replacement on the roster and ready to step up, which is the best way to fill these holes.

It doesnít really make much sense to me that for the past two seasons, everyone liked to say the Jets had such a poor roster, yet now that those players are leaving, they still want to complain and act like things are spiraling out of control. Letís take a look at the roster changes for 2013 and debunk some of these myths, while showing that the Jets are not in nearly as bad of a spot as the ďexpertsĒ will have you believe.

Quarterback Ė No, the QB position is not ideal right now, as the team is simply unable to move on from Mark Sanchez due to his large price tag for the upcoming season. The team will have to live with him in 2013, but he will have some actual REAL competition for the first time in his career. Jets fans wanted a solid veteran like oh, I donít know, David Garrard to be brought in, and now he has been. John Idzik also looked at Chase Daniel and is still sniffing around Jason Campbell, so while this spot isnít perfect, at least we donít have to think about Tim Tebow or Mark Brunell getting in there. And if Sanchez falters in training camp or early in the season, heíll be on an extremely short leash. Itís also worth mentioning that the team will have a real offensive coordinator that has had NFL success here for the first time inÖwell, a very long time.

Running Back Ė Shonn Greene signed a 3-year/$10 million deal with the Titans, and Iíd think most Jets fans would agree that is too much money to pay for what he offers. He wouldnít be a good fit in Marty Mornhinwegís new West Coast Offense, so him leaving is not that big of a loss at all. Last year, most would agree Bilal Powell was actually more impressive than Greene down the stretch of the season as they entered into more of a 50/50 split, and he is likely to have a big role next year. The team has also been linked to free agent Mike Goodson, and a running back is likely to be drafted, perhaps as early as the second round (Gio Bernard, Johnathan Franklin?). Joe McKnight is also still hanging around, but at this point itís unlikely he will ever get a real chance to contribute as a running back. Either way, the position is likely to be improved in 2013, especially as it pertains to the new offensive system. Losing Shonn Greene doesnít change that.

Wide Receiver Ė WR was arguable the worst position on the team last season, and was quite possibly the worst corps of receivers in the entire NFL. This year, however, Santonio Holmes will be returning from injury and he has agreed to restructure his contract and save $3.5 million on the cap for this season. Joining him will be their best receiver from a year ago, the rapidly improving Jeremy Kerley. He is entering his third season, which is historically the big breakout year for receivers. Last yearís 2nd-round pick, Stephen Hill, will also be back playing a role, and youíd have to think he will be much-improved heading into his second season. The team wonít be relying on him to start from Day 1 like Mike Tannenbaum foolishly did, as theyíve inquired about free agent Brandon Gibson and are also rumored to be bringing back Braylon Edwards. A top four of Holmes, Kerley, Edwards, and Hill is a major improvement on last yearís group of Kerley, Mardy Gilyard, Jason Hill, and Clyde Gates. Thatís just horrible to even think about.

Tight End Ė Losing Dustin Keller will hurt in the short-term ó thereís no denying that ó but itís not like he was around much in 2012 anyway, so itís hard to consider him a big loss. Itís especially hard when you factor in the amount of money and years it would cost the team to keep him around. Jeff Cumberland actually played pretty well last season and he could hold down the fort for a season if need be. The team is also highly likely to draft a tight end in the middle rounds to be the future answer at the position, which will be a nice addition. The wild card in the group, of course, is former Australian rugby player, Hayden Smith, who was supposedly very impressive in practice last season as he learned the ins-and-outs of American football. He could be a contributor this season. Tight end wonít be the strength of the team, but it also wonít be the wasteland it was a year ago.

Offensive Line Ė Three positions on the line are solidified and set in stone as DíBrickashaw Ferguson will return as the left tackle, Nick Mangold as the center, and Austin Howard as the right tackle. Brick and Mangold are amongst the best in the league at their positions, and Howard played surprisingly well after the human turnstile, Wayne Hunter, was sent packing last August. As a restricted free agent, he will be tendered and will return.

The guard position is a completely different story though, as both starters ó Matt Slauson and Brandon Moore ó are free agents. The team has shown no interest in bringing Moore back, and only tepid interest in having Slauson return. Having two new guards in 2013 will be a good thing, not a bad thing, as both Slauson and Moore were average at best and are dead weight. Moore is in a serious decline and Slauson was rotating series with Vlad Ducasse last year. Most Jets fans hardly even noticed when Ducasse was subbed in, which tells me having him in one of the starting roles isnít as bad as we might think. He graded out positively as a run blocker, wonít cost much on the salary cap, and can easily fill in at either guard spot. Is it ideal? No, of course not. But it isnít any worse than what the team fielded last year, and heíll do it for much cheaper, which is important. To fill the other spot, a rookie is likely to be plugged in, or the team may pursue a quality veteran like Geoff Schwartz. Whichever route the team goes, expect the guard play to improve in 2013, not get worse. Those touting Moore as a big loss have clearly not been paying attention the past two seasons.

Defensive Line Ė This is where people are overreacting the most when it comes to changes the Jets are making. Defensive end Mike DeVito signed with the Chiefs, and while DeVito was a nice run-stuffing role player that any team would like to have, the Jets were simply unable to give him the $4 million per season that the Chiefs did to be a backup. The main reason that DeVito is no big loss is because last yearís 1st-round pick Quinton Coples happens to play the same position and is a far more talented player. Heading into his second season, heís ready to become a full-time player, and he is going to approach double digit sacks in 2013. The other starter at defensive end, of course, is Muhammad Wilkerson, who is perhaps the best 3-4 DE in the NFL not named JJ Watt. Between those two, there isnít much room for DeVito, and a backup run-stuffer can be found either in the later rounds of the draft, or cheap through free agency. DeVito leaving so Coples can play more is a major boost for the line.

Itís pretty much the same story at nose tackle, as long-time starter Sione Poíuha was released to save over $3 million on the salary cap, and Kenrick Ellis is poised to take over the starting spot. Poíuha battled back problems all of last season and really had a pretty poor year overall. Ellis, meanwhile, really flashed on the film as Chris Gross noted here on his defensive breakdowns early last season. Had he not suffered a knee injury of his own, he was on his way to a big season. The talented 2011 3rd-round pick was drafted with this year in mind to take the starting job and run with it. At this stage in their careers, heís a better player than Poíuha and as he gains more experience, along with Coples and Wilkerson, the defensive line is going to become more potent than it has been in years. Depth is always a concern, but with Damon Harrison also in the fold, and Rex Ryanís ability to find unheralded defensive linemen and coach them up, the defensive line is going to be a major strong point on this team, not take a step back.

Inside Linebackers - David Harris and his albatross contract will be back in 2013, and you have to figure he wonít have back-to-back down years. Last season he was hampered by injuries on the defensive line in front of him, and a tendency to try and do too much, which resulted in him often times being out of position. With more dynamic players around him (read: guys not slow as crap), he should return to being the player he was in 2011. Next to him, Bart Scott has been released, and 2012 3rd-round pick Demario Davis is set to take his spot. This is a move that many people were calling for mid-way through last season, but a combination of Rexís loyalty to Scott and Davisís inexperience prevented it from happening. Now Davis is being thrown into the fire, and his speed and coverage ability are going to be a major boost for the linebacking corps as he will be able to play all three downs. Backing them up will be Josh Mauga, the solid run stuffer who is returning from an injury. Davis replacing Scott, combined with Harris returning to form, make this position much better than the unit we saw a season ago.

Outside Linebackers - With Calvin Pace and Bryan Thomas being jettisoned, we are witnessing a clear case of addition by subtraction. At this point, I have run out of jokes to be made about them. They are old, slow, and totally washed up. Garrett McIntyre was clearly the best OLB on the team last season and his playing time down the stretch of the season reflected that. Expect him to nail down one of the starting spots heading into 2013. On the other side, it is very likely that the #9 overall draft pick will be used on a pass rushing OLB, whether itís Jordan, Ansah, Mingo, or Jones, which will finally add some athleticism and speed to the position. Iíd also expect another linebacker to be added to the mix in the mid-to-late rounds to add depth. The Jets have been linked to some under-the-radar type free agent OLBís including the former Cowboy Victor Butler. That would be a very solid signing, although Butler is drawing a lot of interest on the market, and could be a tough get. Should they get him, it will allow whatever rookie thatís brought in to develop at his own pace rather than be thrown into the fire. Ricky Sapp is also still around and he will compete for a roster spot, but heís far from a lock to make the team, as there will be plenty of competition brought in for playing time.

Overall, I expect the linebacking corps to play much, much better in 2013 than they did in 2012, and the influx of youth and speed across the board is going to be a breath of fresh air for the defense.

Safety - This is the position where the Jets might take a step back in 2013 as both starters from a year ago are not likely to be back. Yeremiah Bell signed with Arizona and Laron Landry is likely to leave as well, which would be bad for continuity. Last yearís primary backup Eric Smith was also released, but thatís another case of addition by subtraction. The other backups were rookies Josh Bush and Antonio Allen, and one or both of them could be in a position to see much more playing time than they did last season. There are a lot of solid safeties on the free agent market, so Iíd expect the Jets to wait it out and then catch a solid veteran who is willing to take a lesser deal just to land a starting job as there become less and less job openings out there, much like they did with both Landry and Bell a year ago. In addition, thereís also a very deep safety draft class coming in, so thereís no need for the team to rush into anything or overpay for anyone. I doubt the team will get a pro bowl caliber season from whoever steps in the starting spot like they did with Landry, but donít forget, Rex was able to put together a top-3 defense with Jim Leonhard and Brodney Pool back there, so it wonít be all bad.

Cornerback - Itís impossible to break down the corner position without knowing what will happen with Darrelle Revis, but even if he is traded (which is likely), the cupboard is not bare. Antonio Cromartie showed himself to be one of the top cover corners in the league last year, and after a rough start even Kyle Wilson played pretty well. There is some depth behind them with Aaron Berry, Isaiah Trufant, Darrin Walls, and Ellis Lankster, but itís obvious that this position is all about Revis. If he isnít on the team next year, then the secondary is taking a major blow that can not be fixed in one offseason or with one player. On the other hand, if he is somehow re-signed, the Jets corners are again the best in the NFL and the defense as a whole may be too.

As you can see, the Jets arenít as depleted from top to bottom as some of the experts out there would have you believe. With a good draft and a few shrewd free agent signings, itís entirely possible the team will be able to compete this season and not be the 3-win laughingstock the media would like them to be. With a new running back in the fold, a healthy receiving corps, new outside linebackers, and the continued development of players like Coples, Wilkerson, and Ellis on defense, and Powell, Kerley, and Hill on offense, this team might actually surprise you come September. Rex Ryan is a damn good coach, and the players will give him everything they have. And when it comes to quarterback play, well, Sanchez has taken this team far before, right? Maybe Iím crazy, but in the NFL, you just never knowÖ
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 10:34 AM

As well as the likes of McIntyre, Cumberland, Ellis and Davis have shown in limited playing time, there's plenty more time for them to be found out if they do end up being elevated into starting roles.

I agree though that at some positions we aren't necessarily going to be worse off. At running back, Shonn Greene was very one-dimensional and in adding Mike Goodson we have a back who can do something (catch the ball well) that was lacking last year. It seems we'll have a committee approach at that position, and as the article says we'll probably add another back in the draft. At tight end, Cumberland has the athletic ability to pose a threat to opposing safeties, while I'm confident Coples will form a very solid DE pairing with Mo Wilkerson.

Areas where I am concerned about, however, are the OLine, OLB and safety spots. Brandon Moore's play may have dropped and Slauson may have been rotated with Ducasse a lot that season, but there's still a need to sign players who can at least perform at their level. It's the same really at OLB. Pace and Thomas were limited as pass rushers, but other than McIntyre there is nobody who inspires any kind of confidence at the position on the roster. Fortunately that position is one where this year's draft class is strong. In the latter position, having just Josh Bush and Antonio Allen on the roster (Allen was only promoted from the practice squad late in the season) is concerning. And I doubt we'll have a pair of starting safeties as good as Bell and Landry were.
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Posted 16 March 2013 - 08:19 PM

View PostSmedsthejet, on 16 March 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

As well as the likes of McIntyre, Cumberland, Ellis and Davis have shown in limited playing time, there's plenty more time for them to be found out if they do end up being elevated into starting roles.

I agree though that at some positions we aren't necessarily going to be worse off. At running back, Shonn Greene was very one-dimensional and in adding Mike Goodson we have a back who can do something (catch the ball well) that was lacking last year. It seems we'll have a committee approach at that position, and as the article says we'll probably add another back in the draft. At tight end, Cumberland has the athletic ability to pose a threat to opposing safeties, while I'm confident Coples will form a very solid DE pairing with Mo Wilkerson.

Areas where I am concerned about, however, are the OLine, OLB and safety spots. Brandon Moore's play may have dropped and Slauson may have been rotated with Ducasse a lot that season, but there's still a need to sign players who can at least perform at their level. It's the same really at OLB. Pace and Thomas were limited as pass rushers, but other than McIntyre there is nobody who inspires any kind of confidence at the position on the roster. Fortunately that position is one where this year's draft class is strong. In the latter position, having just Josh Bush and Antonio Allen on the roster (Allen was only promoted from the practice squad late in the season) is concerning. And I doubt we'll have a pair of starting safeties as good as Bell and Landry were.

The OG position does not overly concern me. The WCO will get the ball out quickly so pass protection is limited. Run blocking may be an issue. My biggest concern is the secondary. With no safety's on the roster and Revis on his way out our secondary will struggle. It's gonna be a tough year especially with the Pats and Phins spending so much this offseason. I hope this is a short term loss for a better future.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:53 PM

Idzik is doing a heck of a job right now. They're not saying it but it is rebuilding. We lost some good ones and lost some bad ones. Idzik not taking any back talk from Rex. He's cleaning shit up like i wanted. These are all his moves and i'm loving it.
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