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azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
41 Frank Walker CB
31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Today, 12:00 AM) In Geno we trust
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Today, 07:23 AM) preseason or not, our offense hasn't looked competent in a while like it does this year. our rushing attack should be very good. Chris Johnson and Chris Ivory could be a dynamic duo
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Should The Jets Draft Geno Smith?

Poll: Should The Jets Draft Geno Smith? (12 member(s) have cast votes)

Geno Smith with the 9th overall pick?

  1. Yes (6 votes [50.00%])

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  2. No (6 votes [50.00%])

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

1. Chiefs - Alex Smith
2. Jaguars -
3. Raiders - Matt Flynn
4. Eagles - Michael Vick / Nick Foles
5. Lions - Matthew Stafford
6. Browns - Brandon Weeden
7. Cardinals - Carson Palmer (not official yet)
8. Bills - Kevin Kolb
9. Jets - LOL

With so many veteran QB moves going down in the last few days, it's plausible that Geno Smith might fall to the Jets. If he does, would you draft him?
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

Absolutely not. No QB is worth investing a 1st round pick in this year.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 08:56 PM

I voted no. I'm not sold on Geno Smith having the arm to throw in the winds at the meadowlands.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:08 PM

No. Very unimpressed by him from what I've seen. Would hope he falls to us so maybe someone like Minnesota would trade up but I doubt that he gets past Jacksonville or the Raiders (they gave up a 5th rounder in 2014 for Flynn, not exactly "must start because we have so much invested in him" situation).
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

It's questionable. Almost all of the mock picks for the Jets have upside & downside.

Jarvis Jones - may not even get cleared to play with the spinal stenosis diagnosis in 2009 & neck issue.

Dion Jordan - Coming off labrum surgery & will likely end up in Jacksonville with the #2 anyway.

Barkevious Mingo - Liability against the run so definitely not an every down player. Only had 4.5 sacks last season but has the upside to be a terror with his speed.

Star Lotulelei - 7 sacks in 38 games? I'll pass thanks. Not to mention recently diagnosed with a heart condition. Could be something as simple as a murmur or MVP (mitral valve prolapse) but still enough to pass on him being a first rounder.

Geno Smith - Great collegiate numbers but can he throw in the big leagues and in the Meadowlands in particular?

Tavon Austin - Really? Why? He's basically Jeremy Kerley or Brad Smith minus the QB experience. 5'9 (being generous) & 174.......low first round pick at best IMO.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

Sorry i sound like a broken record but i really hope Idzik is planning on trading down
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:09 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 02 April 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Sorry i sound like a broken record but i really hope Idzik is planning on trading down


With who though? I don't see why anyone would want to trade up to the 9th spot this year.
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Posted 02 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostChaos, on 02 April 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

With who though? I don't see why anyone would want to trade up to the 9th spot this year.


Yeah when I said it before, I always said it was contingent on finding a trading partner. I'm hoping Geno falls to #9 and some team is desperate enough to trade up for him
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:25 AM

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http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/

Should the Jets pick Geno Smith?

The NFL is sending a message to Geno Smith, and it's not a positive one.

Four quarterback-needy teams picking in the top eight have acquired veteran signal-callers -- the Chiefs (Alex Smith), Raiders (Matt Flynn), Cards (Carson Palmer) and Bills (Kevin Kolb). If any of these teams deemed Smith a franchise quarterback, do you think they'd have doled out fairly significant contracts to a bunch of castoffs? Hardly.

The recent moves won't preclude any of these teams from picking Smith, but the days of picking a first-round quarterback and stashing him on the bench for a year or two are pretty much over. It sure looks like Smith could slip to the Jets, who own the ninth overall pick.

If that happens, should the Jets draft Smith?

It would be an upset if they do. With a crowded depth chart and an $8.25 million guarantee invested in Mark Sanchez, new GM John Idzik probably would pass on the prolific passer from West Virginia. They could try to trade the pick, but here's the problem: No team from 10 to 32 has a glaring need for a quarterback.

If the Jets pass, they'd get no argument from Pro Football Weekly draft analyst Nolan Nawrocki, who delivers a scathing assessment of Smith's skills. In his PFW scouting report, he writes:


"Not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence -- does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor -- no urgency. Not committed or focused -- marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the Combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board ... Has small hands and glaring ball security issues (32 career fumbles). Really struggled handling the snow in Pinstripe Bowl (took two safeties) and will be troubled by the elements. Needed to be coddled in college -- cannot handle hard coaching.

"Started the season red-hot with the help of two playmaking receivers and created a national stir generating a lot of over-excitement in the scouting community. Quickly came down to earth after Kansas State disguised coverages and brought pressure he could not handle and he finished dropping six of his final eight games. A cross between Akili Smith and Aaron Brooks, Smith is a gimmick, overhyped product of the system lacking the football savvy, work habits and focus to cement a starting job and could drain energy from a QB room. Will be overdrafted and struggle to produce against NFL defensive complexities."


ESPN Stats & Information has furnished some "Next Level" stats on the top eight prospects -- Smith, Matt Barkley (USC), EJ Manuel (Florida State), Ryan Nassib (Syracuse), Tyler Wilson (Arkansas), Mike Glennon (North Carolina State), Tyler Bray (Tennessee) and Landry Jones (Oklahoma). The numbers lend some credence to Nawrocki's evaluation of Smith. Consider some of these 2012 stats:

• On throws of 20-plus yards downfield, Smith completed only 37.3 percent, sixth among the eight passers. Manuel led the way with a 49.2-percent mark.

• Smith's career took off in Dana Holgorsen's system. More than 96 percent of his career attempts came out of the shotgun or pistol offense. Holgorsen introduced Smith to the pistol in 2011, and he threw 42 touchdowns and only four interceptions out of that formation. In 2012, 59 percent of his pass attempts came out of the pistol.

• Smith operated a short-passing game. In fact, he threw 177 of his 518 passes at or behind the line of scrimmage, including 112 screen passes. As a result, Smith’s average pass traveled 7.7 yards past the line of scrimmage, the fewest air yards per attempt of any top QB prospect.

• Smith thrived against extra pressure. Facing the blitz, he completed 70.8 percent of his passes, best among the eight prospects. Those attempts included 12 touchdown passes and only one interception.

The Smith debate will continue as we get closer to April 25. What do you think? Me, I'd pass.Tags:New York Jets, Mark Sanchez, John Idzik

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 02 April 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

It's questionable. Almost all of the mock picks for the Jets have upside & downside.

Jarvis Jones - may not even get cleared to play with the spinal stenosis diagnosis in 2009 & neck issue.

Dion Jordan - Coming off labrum surgery & will likely end up in Jacksonville with the #2 anyway.

Barkevious Mingo - Liability against the run so definitely not an every down player. Only had 4.5 sacks last season but has the upside to be a terror with his speed.

Star Lotulelei - 7 sacks in 38 games? I'll pass thanks. Not to mention recently diagnosed with a heart condition. Could be something as simple as a murmur or MVP (mitral valve prolapse) but still enough to pass on him being a first rounder.

Geno Smith - Great collegiate numbers but can he throw in the big leagues and in the Meadowlands in particular?

Tavon Austin - Really? Why? He's basically Jeremy Kerley or Brad Smith minus the QB experience. 5'9 (being generous) & 174.......low first round pick at best IMO.



No he isn't. Hes much more talented than Kerley and Brad Smith doesn't even make sense with the comparison, since Austin is a highly productive WR and Smith was a college QB.


I think Austin will be a playmaker in the NFL. Elite speed and quickness, who cares that hes short.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:31 AM

No thank you. This team is going to be bad next year and with some really good prospects coming out next year, I hope the front office realizes that this team would be better off getting their guy in the 14' draft. They should already know they will be in great position to grab their guy next year. With sanchez starting next year, and the players we lost / have replaced this year so far, the front office would have to be in loser denial to not think they wont be drafting inside the top 10.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 03 April 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

No he isn't. Hes much more talented than Kerley and Brad Smith doesn't even make sense with the comparison, since Austin is a highly productive WR and Smith was a college QB.


I think Austin will be a playmaker in the NFL. Elite speed and quickness, who cares that hes short.


Elite speed and quickness? He's a slot receiver. Nothing more. We have that in Kerley already so why waste the pick? He will not be able to create separation. He's not a receiver that can play on the outside because he'd get beat up once he takes a good shot from a real NFL safety. He's short & he's only 173. He's going to end up being a ST specialist. Either that or he's going to end up like Kevin Ware with those toothpicks he's got for legs.

The Brad Smith comparison comes in because Austin will be utilized just like him. Used at receiver a little but mostly on ST and as a return specialist.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

How the f*** can you say he won't be able to take a shot from a safety then go on and talk about how he's going to be playing over the middle.

I suppose Wes Welker is just a 'slot' receiver. If being 'just a slot receiver' means you catch 100 balls for 1000 yards, I'll take one of those.

Tavon Austin's measurables piss on Kerley, and he'll do more in his rookie year than Kerley has in his career.

That said, I don't want to draft him.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:55 PM

nope. fill other holes, suck next year, get a top 5 pick, draft a QB next season and hope to compete
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 04 April 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

How the f*** can you say he won't be able to take a shot from a safety then go on and talk about how he's going to be playing over the middle.

I suppose Wes Welker is just a 'slot' receiver. If being 'just a slot receiver' means you catch 100 balls for 1000 yards, I'll take one of those.

Tavon Austin's measurables piss on Kerley, and he'll do more in his rookie year than Kerley has in his career.

That said, I don't want to draft him.


lots of good small WRs. steve smith, wlker, d-jax, santana moss, etc. you don't disoucnt skill for size. but we need LBers and Safeties more then WRs right now
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:31 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 04 April 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

lots of good small WRs. steve smith, wlker, d-jax, santana moss, etc. you don't disoucnt skill for size. but we need LBers and Safeties more then WRs right now


Percy Harvin-molded receivers are the new aged stars.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:38 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 04 April 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Percy Harvin-molded receivers are the new aged stars.

Taking over the league.


Percy Harvin hasn't had a 1000 yard receiving season in his career. While he has been in the league, there have been 80 1000 yard seasons. Harvin is a poor choice.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:35 AM

I hope Sanchez is the starter and screws the team over in 2013 so they're in a position to land Bridgewater
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:38 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 04 April 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

Percy Harvin hasn't had a 1000 yard receiving season in his career. While he has been in the league, there have been 80 1000 yard seasons. Harvin is a poor choice.


harvin isn't the ideal WR. its still the megatronn/andre johnson/larry fitzgeald model
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 05 April 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

harvin isn't the ideal WR. its still the megatronn/andre johnson/larry fitzgeald model


Not even remotely what I was talking about.

Every team now, has a slot receiver who can line up all over the field.
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