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We Should Just Fire John Idzik

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:29 PM

zzzzzzz

I'm glad you finally learned how to spell the man's name correctly though
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 08 April 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

zzzzzzz

I'm glad you finally learned how to spell the man's name correctly though



Somehow I doubt you even bothered to read what I wrote other than to notice I spelled his name right. I think it's fvcking ridiculous that people are crying that Revis actually has to report for workouts to get his money because it might hurt his feelings if there's an awkward feeling at the facility. I'm glad there hasn't been a single mention from the Jets about trading Cro. See.......while Cro has grown as a man and matured, Revis is being painted in the media as doing the complete opposite. I'm interested to see something from Revis himself regarding having to attend. I honestly think he won't have as much issue with it as so many fans do considering he's always shown up in the past. Hell.....even in 2010, he showed up for the voluntary workouts and THEN held out.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

The only thing that i upsetting me with Idzik is his demanding THIS year's first rounder over next year's. I don't see any two clear cut must have picks in the first round this year. What are they going to do? Draft bookends on defense? Make a play for Geno Smith if he falls to 9? That's my worry that they pull the trigger and grab this year's first rounder and that pick turns out to be a second rate or merely average player when we could potentially draft a QB (AJ McCarron) with next season's first rounder. Especially considering we're going to have a high draft pick of our own next season after we win no more than 5-6 games this year.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 08 April 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Somehow I doubt you even bothered to read what I wrote other than to notice I spelled his name right. I think it's fvcking ridiculous that people are crying that Revis actually has to report for workouts to get his money because it might hurt his feelings if there's an awkward feeling at the facility. I'm glad there hasn't been a single mention from the Jets about trading Cro. See.......while Cro has grown as a man and matured, Revis is being painted in the media as doing the complete opposite. I'm interested to see something from Revis himself regarding having to attend. I honestly think he won't have as much issue with it as so many fans do considering he's always shown up in the past. Hell.....even in 2010, he showed up for the voluntary workouts and THEN held out.


You're 100% right, I didn't bother to read it. ROARRR GET HIM OFF THE TEAM WHATEVER IT TAKES
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 08 April 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

You're 100% right, I didn't bother to read it. ROARRR GET HIM OFF THE TEAM WHATEVER IT TAKES


Take a minute to actually go and read what I posted and you may be surprised. But yeah.......I'd trade him for AJ McCarron and other picks. Wouldn't you?
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:50 PM

Honestly a lot of you have your priorities real fucked up as it pertains to this team
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:44 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 08 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

It isn't Idzik's call... Woody Johnson doesn't want to pay him.


lol doubtfull. you don't hire a new GM (which you paid a firm to find) and then tell him who to keep and who to let go. woody isn't jerry jones. its idzik calling the shots
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 08 April 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

Haven't we been through this countless times already? You guys keep saying its cheaper to keep Revis. PLEASE explain to me how its cheaper to take a total of 18 million in cap hits for him the be here for only 2013 than it is to trade him, take the 12 million hit and get multiple picks in return?

Idzik is doing the RIGHT thing with Revis. Revis didn't even want to come to workouts other than for a checkup and then go back to Arizona than work with the team staff. Idzik says, if you want those bonuses you'll honor the contract and get your ass in Florham Park. I'm glad we finally have someone with the balls to not kiss Revis' ass.

Revis seriously needs a dose of humility like Aso decided to swallow. Rather than playing for 15 million like he was about to, Aso's playing for 3. To send a message to the league that he's got a chip on his shoulder and it's not just a coincidence that he & Revis will both be unrestricted free agents at the same time after the 2013 season. Throw in the fact that he's got a real shot at a ring with the 49ers, he is playing for what Revis is due just in bonuses.

Idzik is smart as hell. He's making Revis work out with the team at the team facility rather than simply accepting the doctor reports that Revis is paying to be sent to the team. The Jets staff can then evaluate Revis' rehab progress so they can see what kind of TRUE timetable he may be on with his rehab so that they can determine his value either to go into negotiations with Revis or trade negotiations. Tanny would've just let Revis stay out in Arizona and just continue to pay him right util the day he walked out of Florham Park for good to sign with Tampa or someone else after the 2013 season.

So let the hater comments begin........but before you do.....keep in mind that I've already stated that if Revis looks like he could return to form, offer him a deal of 9-10 per year with escalators that will allow him to go to 13+ to make him the highest paid DB in the league. If he keeps saying he wants more, that'll be more than enough evidence that he wants to be the highest paid defensive player period. I personally don't think he'll get the mega-deal he thinks he can get at 15-16+ per year anywhere but Tampa & they may just draft someone if they can't get him before or on draft day.


lol cause you made up those numbers. now here are the real numbers

http://nyjetscap.com/salary.html

revis counts 9 mil against the cap this year its 3 mil salary, 3 mil prorated bonus, and 3 mil "other bonus" (aka workout/roster bonus) now if we cut or trade him he will count 12 million against the cap. which means we lose 3 mil in cap space, revis, and need to sign someone else to take his spot. so overall we wind up down 3-5 million cap room and not have revis.

if your gonna argue get your facts straight
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:52 AM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 08 April 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

The only thing that i upsetting me with Idzik is his demanding THIS year's first rounder over next year's. I don't see any two clear cut must have picks in the first round this year. What are they going to do? Draft bookends on defense? Make a play for Geno Smith if he falls to 9? That's my worry that they pull the trigger and grab this year's first rounder and that pick turns out to be a second rate or merely average player when we could potentially draft a QB (AJ McCarron) with next season's first rounder. Especially considering we're going to have a high draft pick of our own next season after we win no more than 5-6 games this year.


cause you don't understand value. this years 1st is worth more then next years 1st. and if somebody wants to trade up into that spot we can get their 1st this year (later in the round) and their 1st next year.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:25 PM

I thought this thread was a joke when I read the title.

Turns out I was right.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:28 PM

View Postsexyrexy, on 09 April 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

I thought this thread was a joke when I read the title.

Turns out I was right.


based on what?

I know he just started but what has he done?

he let 2 starters (keller and slauson) move on to sign cheap 1 year deals with no replacement in mind

He let every free agnet walk w/o resigning anyone

we have no OLBs (admittedly some of this falls on rex and MT)

We are trying to trade out bets player

We are still stuck with sanchez (not his fault) and he hans't done anyhting to improve the offense
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

While everyone has valid points and Revis is great...please correct me if Im wrong......but if Revis plays this full year as a Jet and plays well doesn't he have the option to leave next season without the Jets getting anything in return?????

If that is the case I'm pretty sure he will go elsewhere and then the Jets get nothing for Revis at all. Unless the Jets offer him a crazy amount of money to stay here I would bet almost anything that he will leave for more money to a team that has a chance of contending unless this team beats the odds and contends this coming season.

So I agree with trading him if the money is right. Revis may be one of the greatest corners ever in the history of the game but no corner in the history of the game is worth one of the elite linebackers or elite defensive linemen that can disrupt the run and pass game as well as scare the qb and demand a double or triple team almost every play.

Put simply if you can disrupt the qb and the play more often than not you can get away without having elite corners. Revis is always going to just shut down one player. He has no impact on the tightend coverage or other receivers or the running back or the qb behind the line. An elite lineman or linebackers can screw up the plays before they ever develop.

Sure I want to keep Revis and he is my favorite Jet on the team but if it comes down to a choice Id rather have an elite linebacker or lineman any day.

We have two number one corners yet time and time again the 3rd and 4th receivers, and tight-end always get open and our corners never have any impact on those players. A dominant dline and dominant linebacker can disrupt the whole play constantly. You name one corner that has ever been able to do that in the history of the game. There isn't any ever period.

As far as Sanchez. I dont care who we bring in. Until we get rid of Sanchez the offense isn't going to get better. If the 2013 season isn't in the toilet I will be very surprised. You can bet for sure that the fo will be getting rid of Mark at the end of the season.I'm pretty sure the fo is looking to build for the 2014 season. Sanchez isn't going to get any better so they fix what they can now and deal with the qb situation next season unless we luck into a diamond in the rough in a rookie.

Pure and simple I would take a young Ray Lewis type of linebacker any day over a Revis type corner.

Again loving Revis as an amazing Elite great corner is one thing but this about logic about trying to build a strong core defense as opposed to just having a player that only shuts down one player and has no other impact on the game.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 09 April 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

While everyone has valid points and Revis is great...please correct me if Im wrong......but if Revis plays this full year as a Jet and plays well doesn't he have the option to leave next season without the Jets getting anything in return?????


pretty much. we'll get a 2015 3rd rounder if he leaves as a free agent and its at the end of the round (conditional pick)

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Sure I want to keep Revis and he is my favorite Jet on the team but if it comes down to a choice Id rather have an elite linebacker or lineman any day.


we won't get that for im though. thats the problem. rarely does trading a greta player work in the favor of the team that traded him. we did it with abe and getting mangold but in all fairness since then we haven't had a pass rush. and with no elite CB tandom and no pass rush we will get lit up.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 April 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

lol doubtfull. you don't hire a new GM (which you paid a firm to find) and then tell him who to keep and who to let go. woody isn't jerry jones. its idzik calling the shots


Woody Johnson has the power and its his call... He doesn't want to pay Revis... No GM joins a team and doesn't even talk contract with their star player and these rumors were out there before Idzik was even hired. Its 100% Woody Johnson who doesn't want to pay Revis. Idzik's job now is to try and get as much possible.
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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:12 PM

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 09 April 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

Woody Johnson has the power and its his call... He doesn't want to pay Revis... No GM joins a team and doesn't even talk contract with their star player and these rumors were out there before Idzik was even hired. Its 100% Woody Johnson who doesn't want to pay Revis. Idzik's job now is to try and get as much possible.


Yup its clear that the owner doesn't want to pay the teams most popular player. you konw the one selling jerseys and the one that puts butts in the seats. yup no owner wants that :sterb041:
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

[quote name='Jetsfan115' date='09 April 2013 - 12:49 PM' timestamp='1365526198' post='348923']

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lol cause you made up those numbers. now here are the real numbers

http://nyjetscap.com/salary.html

revis counts 9 mil against the cap this year its 3 mil salary, 3 mil prorated bonus, and 3 mil "other bonus" (aka workout/roster bonus) now if we cut or trade him he will count 12 million against the cap. which means we lose 3 mil in cap space, revis, and need to sign someone else to take his spot. so overall we wind up down 3-5 million cap room and not have revis.

if your gonna argue get your facts straight



Revis' cap numbers are 9 this year & 9 in dead money next year.

Here's an article on the SAME site you just provided breaking down Revis' cap numbers. You will notice it says 9 million in 2013 & another 9 in dead money in 2014 if he leaves via free agency. Here's a quote:

His salary cap charge in 2013 is $9 million, but would rise to $12 million in dead money if he was released. If the Jets allow his contract to void after he plays out the 2013 season he would cost $9 million in dead money in 2014

The Future of Darrelle Revis
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:40 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 10 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

ame='Jetsfan115' date='09 April 2013 - 12:49 PM' timestamp='1365526198' post='348923']


Revis' cap numbers are 9 this year & 9 in dead money next year.

Here's an article on the SAME site you just provided breaking down Revis' cap numbers. You will notice it says 9 million in 2013 & another 9 in dead money in 2014 if he leaves via free agency. Here's a quote:

His salary cap charge in 2013 is $9 million, but would rise to $12 million in dead money if he was released. If the Jets allow his contract to void after he plays out the 2013 season he would cost $9 million in dead money in 2014

The Future of Darrelle Revis


i like you you cut out this part
So there is still pressure from both sides to keep Revis on the team in the future rather than to just let him walk away.

if we resign him the dead money goes away, more of a reason to keep and pay him. if we cut him now or trade him we have 3 mil dead money, if he walks next year 9 mil dead money, we keep and resign him, no dead money
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Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:15 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 10 April 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

<br />Yup its clear that the owner doesn't want to pay the teams most popular player. you konw the one selling jerseys and the one that puts butts in the seats. yup no owner wants that <img src='http://nyjetsfan.com/forum2/public/style_emoticons/default/sterb041.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':sterb041:' /><br />
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