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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
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ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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.@LanceZierlein says on http://sports790.com that Shane Ray will need surgery on foot, 5 months recovery. "Could drop out of first"
Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

difference is sanchez isn't top 5. peyton maning got babaied, tom brady got babaied, brees, got babaied, rodgers got babied,

Are you comparing a top notch QB to a CB? You do realize the problem With that right?
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:45 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 24 April 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

Are you comparing a top notch QB to a CB? You do realize the problem With that right?


did you stop reading at the snip? cause i go on to say

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and yes i know those are all QBs so also

Adrian Peterson, Larry fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Asomougha, Etc all got special attention


and i'd say a top CB is more important then a top WR or RB
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:47 PM

I would never think it is a good idea to give a player who plays less than half the snaps in a total game and only impacts his side of the field that large of a percentage of the total cap room. It would not matter how good he is. The Bucs were the only team willing to trade for him and sign him to that silly money and we still got the 13th pick for injured goods. That's pretty good in my book. What other team has successfully given a CB that kind of money and did well? Raiders? Nope... Eagles? Nope...... He is a CB. Probably the best in the league, but he is still a CB. Not the most important position on the team.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:49 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

did you stop reading at the snip? cause i go on to say



and i'd say a top CB is more important then a top WR or RB

But you did compare them. That's why I did that. Considering that the NFL is now protecting the QB and WRs so much I would disagree. HB I am with you.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:36 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 24 April 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

But you did compare them. That's why I did that. Considering that the NFL is now protecting the QB and WRs so much I would disagree. HB I am with you.


OK well Peterson blew his knee out and was due a contract. minnesota sheeled out huge money for him and made it known they wanted him there. we did teh opposite. Minn still has their star RB we have nothing
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:40 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 24 April 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

I would never think it is a good idea to give a player who plays less than half the snaps in a total game and only impacts his side of the field that large of a percentage of the total cap room. It would not matter how good he is. The Bucs were the only team willing to trade for him and sign him to that silly money and we still got the 13th pick for injured goods. That's pretty good in my book. What other team has successfully given a CB that kind of money and did well? Raiders? Nope... Eagles? Nope...... He is a CB. Probably the best in the league, but he is still a CB. Not the most important position on the team.


he made up for the lack of any decent safeties, he never needed safety help which allowed us an extra pass rusher every play. having revis on the field was like playing with 12 men. and he played every snap on defense os how is it less then half?

and the 13th pick most liekly will never be clsoe to what revis is. lets say we score an amazing pass rusher and he gets 12 sacks his rookie year, then i'll say it wasn't a terrible deal. But what if we draft the next vernon gholston? then we gave revis away for nothing. alot rides on what idzik does with that pick TBH.

remember when we traded keyshawn and bellichek and had 4 1st round picks? we landed some good pciks too, penny was amazing when healthy, ellis and abe were great DEs and becht was a good blocking TE. but we never made a SB with them. keyshawn won one and belly won 3

rarely do trades like this work out.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 02:59 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

OK well Peterson blew his knee out and was due a contract. minnesota sheeled out huge money for him and made it known they wanted him there. we did teh opposite. Minn still has their star RB we have nothing

We do have something to show for it. 2 picks. Tampa will have to release him in 2 years and have nothing. When Milliner (sp?) is drafted @ 13 or later and he turns into a solid CB the Bucs will look like fools and Idzick will look better. Spending 13+% on a non QB is just stupid. History shows it.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

he made up for the lack of any decent safeties, he never needed safety help which allowed us an extra pass rusher every play. having revis on the field was like playing with 12 men. and he played every snap on defense os how is it less then half?



Probably truth to the saftey comment... But the other hand is we could not afford to have a pass rusher due to his contract.

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and the 13th pick most liekly will never be clsoe to what revis is. lets say we score an amazing pass rusher and he gets 12 sacks his rookie year, then i'll say it wasn't a terrible deal. But what if we draft the next vernon gholston? then we gave revis away for nothing. alot rides on what idzik does with that pick TBH.


Thats your opinion and there is a valid concern. Keep in mind we had Revis for years and we did not win a SB either. Revis wanted to much money for a CB is what this comes down to. What if we had the cap space to sign Manning when he was a FA? Why tie so much money?
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

OK well Peterson blew his knee out and was due a contract. minnesota sheeled out huge money for him and made it known they wanted him there. we did teh opposite. Minn still has their star RB we have nothing


You are comparing a guy who touches the ball 30+ times a game to a CB. Normally I would agree I would rather have a corner over a HB, But I would take Peterson over Revis in a heartbeat. Also using MN as an example is not he best. Bad team management.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 03:59 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

OK well Peterson blew his knee out and was due a contract. minnesota sheeled out huge money for him and made it known they wanted him there. we did teh opposite. Minn still has their star RB we have nothing

Try doing just an iota of research, I'm pretty sure Peterson got payed way before blowing out his knee.

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