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ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) If someone calls me an idiot or moron or stupid over a football debate it doesn't bother me in the slightest. But when you make things personal like with racist things or family crap its a whole different level
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:36 PM) I felt my FLiHi remark was as "harmless" as you did calling another person a Moron and stupid because they didn't agree with your opinion
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:38 PM) my friends and I call each other morons and stupid an laugh at each other when we do something stupid like when we are drinking. It means nothing. and we laugh about it because its harmless. I'm trying to tell you this is a big difference between what you say to people and what others do.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:40 PM) Heck 115 rags me a lot and it doesnt bother me in the least. i rag him too. Same with GG2003 and SHJ. There is a difference between friendly banter and disagreements and crossing the line
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:44 PM) So your opinion of the line is right and my opinion is wrong? Is that what your saying? I don't know you. I'm not a drinking buddy of yours. Maybe you should learn some social tact.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) you felt it was harmless but you were the only one. Everyone else understood why I got was extremely offended about it the first time because you cross the line with what you say to people. Apparently you realized it enough to send me a long pm apologizing and having communication problems that get you in trouble sometimes. But now you cant understand the difference?
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:48 PM) I understand why. What I'm saying is if you take a jab people will jab back. Have you heard that saying " dont throw rocks when you live in a glass house?"
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:49 PM) The way you understand things if I call you an idiot about not wanting to trade for a high end qb its no different from me disrespecting your family. Thats what Im getting from you. So the way you see things everything is equally personal
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:50 PM) From complete strangers on an Internet forum? Yes. Man up
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:51 PM) Nod the debate was if he is a "high end" player. I thought he was well above average but not worth a 6th overall pick
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:55 PM) Not worth my time to even acknowledge anymore. Just going to ignore you like I do Mr. Jet. You have a lot of mental growing up to do.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) That's funny coming from a guy who went butt f*** crazy a couple hours ago
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:57 PM) Meanwhile you can't seem to respect that others opinions are different than yours
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 08:59 PM) You are emotionally weak. You went through some serious shit growing up and you can't adjust. You take it out on your keyboard.
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) When someone challenges your immaturity you have a complete crazy freak out and act like a girl on her first period
azjetfan Icon : (15 April 2015 - 09:00 PM) Hence the "go wipe your pussy and man up comment
Mr_Jet Icon : (15 April 2015 - 10:16 PM) Please Rob, leave my name out of your little bitchfest.
ROBJETS Icon : (15 April 2015 - 11:46 PM) My bad. You have been respecting my request to you I had a while backI made to you by us not commenting to each other to keep peace between us. I was totally in the wrong for bringing your name up at all and into an argument with member that has issues. I got furious furious with a child. I should've just ignored him like I do the other immature kids on some game forums and sites I belong to. Wont happen again. My apologies for bringing your name into it Mr. Jet.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:04 AM) Dude.... Get back on your meds.
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:47 AM) WTF? Really???
blk_orion Icon : (16 April 2015 - 07:48 AM) Now back to our regular scheduled program......
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 08:08 AM) Lol that escalated quickly
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:24 AM) Rex is chirping again.
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) He said he is going to try and kick the Shit out of the Jets
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) http://sports.yahoo....l8xBHNlYwNzcg--
azjetfan Icon : (16 April 2015 - 10:26 AM) I still like the guy. He's entertaining
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:25 PM) i miss rex. love his demeanor
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 01:26 PM) i'd be happy if he kicks the shit out of miami and NE every year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) I'm excited for the new coaching staff
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:56 PM) Rex wsa fun, but he was too much with the defense instead of the entire football team
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (16 April 2015 - 09:57 PM) also he didn't always hold players accountable. I think Bowles will make the team more disciplined.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:50 AM) I don't have any faith in bowles
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) “San Diego Chargers will ultimately make a deal with the Tennessee Titans for the number two overall pick. As part of that trade, the Chargers will send the number 17 overall pick and Philip Rivers, just as a start, for the number two pick.”
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:15 AM) Damn... Who called it? This guy.
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 08:16 AM) http://national.sunt...s-mariota-trade
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) So we would now lose out on maroita and rivers
MikeGangGree... Icon : (Yesterday, 10:13 AM) Ain't that super
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 01:39 PM) do we make a trade for AP?
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 02:41 PM) I believe the rivers stuff is all speculation
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:38 PM) So a top ten qb and the 17th pick for the 2nd overall as a start? Makes sense
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 03:39 PM) So Many smokescreens this time of year
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:08 PM) only 2 more weeks before we find out. draft day will be exciting
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:09 PM) my money is we'll take a pass rushing OLB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:08 PM) Yup, unless they trade up.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:25 PM

April 21 Updates


Buccaneers acquire CB Darrelle Revis from Jets for 2013 1st-rounder, conditional 2014 mid-rounder
So much for the Jets obtaining first-, third- and fifth-round picks this year. All they were able to net for Darrelle Revis was the No. 13 overall selection next week and a fourth-rounder in 2014 that could turn into a third-rounder.

I would have given the Buccaneers a "C" grade for surrendering all of those selections, but now it has to be considered a very good deal. Even when considering that he's coming off a torn ACL, Revis is much better than anyone Tampa Bay could have chosen with the 13th pick - even if Dee Milliner happened to slide down to them.

The price tag for Revis is the concern for many; Revis is paid way too much for a non-quarterback, but the Buccaneers have the cap space to make a move like this. They had $33 million available prior to this trade, so they can afford to pay Revis the reported six years, $96 million. I'll grade that soon.

Meanwhile, Jets' fans have to feel incredibly disappointed. Hauling in three selections this year and some next April would have been acceptable for losing one of the league's top corners, but getting just the No. 13 overall pick and a mid-rounder next spring is not nearly enough. If I were the Jets, I would have pushed for a bunch of picks in 2014 because of the superior draft class.

Grade for Buccaneers - A-
Grade for Jets - D
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

I can find you a bunch of articles that praise the Jets and question whether this will work out for the Bucs, too.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 03:40 PM

You're ruining the forum.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 23 April 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

You're ruining the forum.


Idzik/woddy ruined teh jets. do you not realzie were fighting for the #1 pick this eyar. thsi seaosn is gonna suck. our team is teribble. even dubb doens't post here anymore cause he knows it
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:29 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

Idzik/woddy ruined teh jets. do you not realzie were fighting for the #1 pick this eyar. thsi seaosn is gonna suck. our team is teribble. even dubb doens't post here anymore cause he knows it


This is how I imagine 115 after trying to read that post...

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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 23 April 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

This is how I imagine 115 after trying to read that post...

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Literally laughed out loud. Well played, sir.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:39 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Grade for Buccaneers - A-
Grade for Jets - D


I have to ask......who's the author of this article? Another O'Connor number?

The ONLY things the author got right was the obvious fact that next year's draft class is superior to this one & that the pricetag for Revis is too much.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:40 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 23 April 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I can find you a bunch of articles that praise the Jets and question whether this will work out for the Bucs, too.

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View PostJetsman05, on 23 April 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

You're ruining the forum.

+1

Please stop with the doomsday prophecies. You sound like Fox News after Obama was re-elected.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 23 April 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

I have to ask......who's the author of this article? Another O'Connor number?

The ONLY things the author got right was the obvious fact that next year's draft class is superior to this one & that the pricetag for Revis is too much.


I'm entitled to my opinion. I've been a fan of this team since forever. I've been one of the most positive people on here for a long long time, but this move... just makes me sick to my stomach. the fact that for the 1st time since 1996 we know we have 0 chance to make teh playoffs. The fact taht we hired a new GM that gutted the team, set up rex to fail and nexy etar we'll have a new HC (idziks guy) and he'll want a new DC and a new OC and a new QB and we'll start all over again and again
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

I'm entitled to my opinion.


Yes and we have all heard it over and over again. Now shut up. :hysterical:
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:03 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 23 April 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

Yes and we have all heard it over and over again. Now shut up. :hysterical:/>


then shut up about your opinion that he is doing good. and wait for the crickets to show up because nobody is posting their opinion
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:19 PM

115.....you're absolutely right that you're entitled to your opinion. BUT.....if you think that having Revis on the roster automatically would've made us a contender for the playoffs, please pass whatever you've been either drinking or smoking because I'd like some too. The only thing having him ont he roster guarantees is the inability to sign other players because he makes up 13% of the cap by himself.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:40 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 23 April 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

115.....you're absolutely right that you're entitled to your opinion. BUT.....if you think that having Revis on the roster automatically would've made us a contender for the playoffs, please pass whatever you've been either drinking or smoking because I'd like some too. The only thing having him ont he roster guarantees is the inability to sign other players because he makes up 13% of the cap by himself.


Whoa back it up a bit. never once did i say revis makes us a playoff contender. We will never be a playoff contender until we fix the offense, and revis can't do anything to help on that side. what i'm saying is revis is once in a lifetime player you don't let go for a 3rd and 1st round pick. We could have traded cro martie for a 3rd rounder and kept revis payed him and been better off then w/o revis and use that 3rd to improve the offense w/o giving up the best CB in the NFL. you think our passing D is gonna be as good w/o revis? we have no safeties which was fine cause revis covered down. we have no depth at CB right now. we have cro and wilson but thats it. teams will pick on our 3rd and 4th CBs all day.and we still don't have an offense. we coulda told them to give us a starter. i mean look what we gave up for BE. Then look what we gave up for holmes. we got holmes cheap cause pitt wanted him gone, TB got revis cheap cause we wanted him gone.

As much as i love revis, if idzik played his hand better and got us 2 1sts a 4th and a solid starter (a LG or RG) i coldn't complain as much. but if you really think that 13th pick, 3rd round next year, and the cap space is gonna improve us more, you are crazy. cap space is only good to sign good players, and anyone we sign won't be as good as revis. anyone we draft won't be as good as revis. the move downgrades us any wya you look at it
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:05 PM

I agree that the team played it wrong by not getting more suitors involved to up what we got for him, but we couldnt afford to keep him so Idzik took what he could because we were about to be stuck with him for only 2013 and wouldve ended up with only a 3rd rounder. It was obvious from day 1 that Woody didnt want to pay him his asking price again. Revis knew Tampa would because they already leaked it to the press so Revis was pretty much guaranteed to leave after 2013.

This way, we at least get the first rounder on top of the 3rd and no dead cap money next year.

You HAVE TO know that if Revis didn't pull the asking for more money 4 times in 6 years that maybe the Jets wouldve made an offer. He turned down a 7 year 100 million deal in 2010. His biggest priority was $$ and the distinction of being able to say he's the highest paid defensive player in the league. Yes.....tied with Mario on avg, but Revis was already the highest paid CB in the league but that wasn't good enough. Woody knew it so he played hard ball. They should've pulled the trigger when the offer was supposedly a 1st, 3rd & 5th.

Makes me wonder if maybe something the doctors saw made the price come down. Nobody can say for sure at this point. We'll have to wait for the season to tell. Right now Idzik and Woody look bad to a lot of people, but they'll look like they were geniuses is Revis never returns to form.
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 10:51 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

then shut up about your opinion that he is doing good. and wait for the crickets to show up because nobody is posting their opinion

I am not the one commenting in multiple threads trying to bring constant attention to myself and ruining the board. You sound like my 7 years old when he is upset about something. Why do you feel the need to bring so much attention to yourself on one topic? Did your mommy not give you enough attention as a child?
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Posted 23 April 2013 - 11:16 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 23 April 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

Whoa back it up a bit. never once did i say revis makes us a playoff contender. We will never be a playoff contender until we fix the offense, and revis can't do anything to help on that side. what i'm saying is revis is once in a lifetime player you don't let go for a 3rd and 1st round pick. We could have traded cro martie for a 3rd rounder and kept revis payed him and been better off then w/o revis and use that 3rd to improve the offense w/o giving up the best CB in the NFL. you think our passing D is gonna be as good w/o revis? we have no safeties which was fine cause revis covered down. we have no depth at CB right now. we have cro and wilson but thats it. teams will pick on our 3rd and 4th CBs all day.and we still don't have an offense. we coulda told them to give us a starter. i mean look what we gave up for BE. Then look what we gave up for holmes. we got holmes cheap cause pitt wanted him gone, TB got revis cheap cause we wanted him gone.

As much as i love revis, if idzik played his hand better and got us 2 1sts a 4th and a solid starter (a LG or RG) i coldn't complain as much. but if you really think that 13th pick, 3rd round next year, and the cap space is gonna improve us more, you are crazy. cap space is only good to sign good players, and anyone we sign won't be as good as revis. anyone we draft won't be as good as revis. the move downgrades us any wya you look at it


I agree if Woody had kept his mouth shut and entered into negotiations with Revis our position could have been better and we might have gotten a better deal. But Woody is like Jerry JOnes and Daniel Snyder. Meddlesome owners who screw things up more than they help. Having said that, paying any CB $16 million is ridiculous. We all want one thing and that is a Super Bowl. They aren't won with shut down corners - just examine the past 10. They are won with elite QB's, top pass rushers and a solid O-line. We have none of those.

Making the best of a bad situation, we got a first and third (fourth becomes third if Revis is on roster next year - please). In addition, next year we should qualify for a number of compensatory picks (I hear 4 but not sure how accurate that is).

That would give us 12 picks next year plus the extra first this year and plenty of cap space in 2014 after Sanchez is gone. An astute GM can use this years draft plus next years bonanza plus our nucleus of young and good players to build a competitive franchise. So sad that it is, I think we made the right choice regardless of how good Revis is.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 08:27 AM

115, it's hard to listen to any of your arguments because you still think Stephen Hill is the messiah.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:15 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 23 April 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

I am not the one commenting in multiple threads trying to bring constant attention to myself and ruining the board. You sound like my 7 years old when he is upset about something. Why do you feel the need to bring so much attention to yourself on one topic? Did your mommy not give you enough attention as a child?


Right, and you personally attacking me is so mature.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 24 April 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

115, it's hard to listen to any of your arguments because you still think Stephen Hill is the messiah.


he will be a great receiver, at least thats what i think.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 12:37 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 24 April 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:

Right, and you personally attacking me is so mature.

I wrote that in fun/sarcasm but after I read it I realized I probably came off like an ass. My opoligies.
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