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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 April 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I don't understand draft grades during and right after the draft. These drafted players haven't even played one game yet. You can't truly grade a draft until 2 or 3 years after that draft. We won't know if these players are any good until 2015 or 2016. These websites and "experts" don't know anymore than anybody else when it comes to who will be good and who won't be. It's just too early to tell.

Agreed. Its like judging how good a pizza will taste before it comes out of the oven.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

This man drafted or acquired about 6 starters for us this draft and you hate him?
Two words: Chris Ivory.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostLeonhardSkynyrd36, on 29 April 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

This man drafted or acquired about 6 starters for us this draft and you hate him?
Two words: Chris Ivory.

6 might be pushing it a little but this has to be the best draft we have had since Mangini. On paper anyway.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 April 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

6 might be pushing it a little but this has to be the best draft we have had since Mangini. On paper anyway.


This is the best draft since 2000.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 April 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Agreed. Its like judging how good a pizza will taste before it comes out of the oven.


true but if i'm allergic to fish and they give me an anchovy pizza, i can make a good assumption that its not the right pizza for me. sure it could be tasty and other could enjoy it, but its not the right pick for me
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

This is actually correct. i don't hate the giants but right now i do hate idzik.


Not trying to start any $hit, but hypothetically........being COMPLETELY hypothetical here.....say Revis' knee injury had ended his career and he retired rather than having been traded........would you have graded the draft any differently? This is a serious question.

I think I'd say the overall draft would be a B. The Milliner pick, my jury is still out on merely because of his injury issues. The Richardson pick is going to be a diamond in the rough I think purely because the more homework I do on the kid, the more impressed I get. He could be a beast inside which IF Rex does the right thing and moves Coples outside, we COULD actually have a pass rush again.

The building up of the line.......needed to be done as we've had ZERO depth in far too many years.

I'm also including the Chris Ivory trade in the draft since it's as if we drafted him in a 4th round considering that's all we gave up for him. 5.1 avg YPC, has decent blocking ability & soft hands? DEFINITELY got over on New Orleans on that one.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

whats a good gauge then? and yes fans are idiots as proof of your arguing with my assessment right now.\

touché :trink39:

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richardson is a 4-3 DT by most accounts. not a NT, millner wil never be revis. our 2nd and 3rd round picks were the only good picks we made


Who said we will not be running a 4 man front? It would make sense we are since we released Scott, Pace and Thomas. Millner will probably never be a Revis but once again CBs dont win SBs. He needs to be a good CB not a great one. No relavence there. How many Elite CBs were in the playoffs last year?
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 29 April 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Not trying to start any $hit, but hypothetically........being COMPLETELY hypothetical here.....say Revis' knee injury had ended his career and he retired rather than having been traded........would you have graded the draft any differently? This is a serious question.


Seriously yes i would have.

I would have given a higher grade to millner. we traded him becuase we can't afford to pay revis and also so we could get a draft pick to get an offensive playmaker or pass rusher. had revis retired we wouldn't have had the 13th overall so it would have been just milner to replace a retired player of the same position and geno at QB. but overall the draft still would be a C for the lack of getting a pass rusher.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:04 PM

Jetsfan115 also said that he doesn't care if the player is good or not, as long as he fills a need...



Idzik went best available, got some good players at good value. I think that he got 5 starters in this draft, including Chris Ivory.

And people really need to stop getting to caught up in 3-4, 4-3. The Jets run a multiple set defense, they rarely are in a 3-4. Rex will be able to get Richardson, Wilkerson, and Coples onto the field.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 29 April 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Jetsfan115 also said that he doesn't care if the player is good or not, as long as he fills a need...



Idzik went best available, got some good players at good value. I think that he got 5 starters in this draft, including Chris Ivory.

And people really need to stop getting to caught up in 3-4, 4-3. The Jets run a multiple set defense, they rarely are in a 3-4. Rex will be able to get Richardson, Wilkerson, and Coples onto the field.


wow way to twist my words and take it out of context 0099. for the record i never said that. Re-read what i wrote.

and BPA is relative as its based on the jets board and we don't really know if they were BPA on our board. you can't confirm its what he did. millner was BPA on most boards but he fell due to 5 surgeries and do to teams choosing pass rushers over CBs. we needed a pass rusher, they were all gone, we should have traded down.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

You did say it.


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Jetsfan115 Icon : (26 April 2013 - 03:07 PM) i honestly wouldn't mind geno. and not cause ithink he's good but becuase it would actually fill a dam need for once. stupid Iz-Dick


right form the shoutbox. i didn't say he wasn't good, what i said was that i wanted him to fill some holes. i never said he sucked. it is possible to fill a hole with a good player. all signs point to geno being good. the value was there and the need was there. he might not have been BPA but he was the Bets player to fill a big need. milner and richardson were not. didn't a stud safety get drafted a couple picks after richardson? i would have rather had the safety
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:28 PM

Santana if you read this

1. Put that ass back in your signature
2. Change 115s member status to "guy who hates Idzik"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

wow way to twist my words and take it out of context 0099. for the record i never said that. Re-read what i wrote.

and BPA is relative as its based on the jets board and we don't really know if they were BPA on our board. you can't confirm its what he did. millner was BPA on most boards but he fell due to 5 surgeries and do to teams choosing pass rushers over CBs. we needed a pass rusher, they were all gone, we should have traded down.

You know you need a partner to trade down right? You can't just unilaterally trade your pick to someone below you. You have no idea if they fielded offers or not, so stop speculating that they didn't even try.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

i don't think a C means hate. do i hate him? yes i think he has done terrible so far. but its besides the point. I never said richardson won't be a beast. i said i didn't like the pick

If you think he has a chance to be a beast, why are you against the pick? Is it because it doesn't fill a "need?"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

right form the shoutbox. i didn't say he wasn't good, what i said was that i wanted him to fill some holes. i never said he sucked. it is possible to fill a hole with a good player. all signs point to geno being good. the value was there and the need was there. he might not have been BPA but he was the Bets player to fill a big need. milner and richardson were not. didn't a stud safety get drafted a couple picks after richardson? i would have rather had the safety

You said "I want Smith, not because I think hes good, but because he fills a need"


That to me reads out "i don't care if the player is good or not, I just want him to fill a need"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 April 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

You know you need a partner to trade down right? You can't just unilaterally trade your pick to someone below you. You have no idea if they fielded offers or not, so stop speculating that they didn't even try.


bills traded down 1 pick before us and STL took one of the players we were targeting. also why did we almost run out of time on both picks? cause we weren't prepared. if we really were doing BPA we would have made our picks right away/ a few teams traded up in the draft. there were partners out there. we were unprepared for the draft and reacted instead of being proactive
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 April 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

If you think he has a chance to be a beast, why are you against the pick? Is it because it doesn't fill a "need?"


i never said either of those things. So why do you guys like putting words in my mouth. its like you just want to argue out of bordeom
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 29 April 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

You said "I want Smith, not because I think hes good, but because he fills a need"


That to me reads out "i don't care if the player is good or not, I just want him to fill a need"


Sorry you have trouble with reading comprehension
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