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azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:52 AM) He is a good QB and I would love to have him. However IMO our 6 is not good value for us. Not to mention if he hates the idea of LA what is he going to think of NY? Contract situation would have to be worked out prior to trade as well. Extreme long shot to land Rivers. My money says we are more likely to land Brees.
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 09:53 AM) which is still a very long shot
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:46 AM) he may just hate ownership. LT's comments yesterday was interesting.
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) “I personally don’t think so,” Tomlinson said. “I really think this is a situation where Philip Rivers wants to move on. The reason why I think that and the reason why I feel like that is the Chargers have already approached Philip about doing another contract and he declined it. He doesn’t want anything to do with it; he didn’t even want to talk about another contract with the San Diego Chargers. That tells me that he’s thinking about moving on.”

“You never want to trade your franchise quarterback,” Tomlinson said, “that’s never the case. However, in this situation they might have no choice but to do so because I don’t know if Philip [Rivers] wants to be there anymore. I think he’s lost confidence in the organization. He’s seeing a lot of changes going on and the L.A. thing is valid; him not wanting to go to L.A., that is very valid, I can see that. So no, it doesn’t make sense to move on from Philip because he’s a franchise quarterback and he still has three to four very good years left.”
Chaos Icon : (21 April 2015 - 10:47 AM) missed the LA line. nvm. guess that is a legit concern.
Mr_Jet Icon : (21 April 2015 - 03:57 PM) He doesn't want to play for a franchise based in Los Angeles, but he'd be okay with playing for one based in New York City?
azjetfan Icon : (21 April 2015 - 04:28 PM) That's the point we have all been making.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:05 PM) Jets vs colts Monday night week2
MikeGangGree... Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:09 PM) Jets open at home against the browns
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM) Week 5 Bye after the London Game against the Dolphags
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) Rivers is likely going to Tennessee. Would LOVE to have him here but we likely won't make the trade. I'd easily give this year and next year
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 09:17 AM) 's first rounder for him
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 11:03 AM) IMO that's a steep price. I would swap this years first and a conditional 1st next year. Assuming we make the AFC Championship. That would be a 28-32nd pick. Otherwise a second.
MikeGangGree... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:07 PM) Yes 2 1st is a lot
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 01:10 PM) draft is next week, pumped
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:02 PM) What are thoughts on getting a RB in round 1? McShay's newest mock has us taking Gurley at 6. I don't think we should take him that high, but if we trade down and he's available I'd love to snag him, ACL and all. He's got an unreal skill set that, once healthy, will translate readily to the NFL. We're not getting a QB this year without paying a king's ransom, and unless we pay a ransom for a top guy I say ignore QB. I don't want us to take a Hundley or Petty type in the 2nd or 3rd round when we need other pieces (edge rush, OL)
azjetfan Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:09 PM) We can probably get Gordon in the second. I would pass at 6. If QB is not available a pass rusher will be. Our biggest needs are QB Pass rusher and Oline.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 03:34 PM) any thourghts on shane ray? i see a lot of mocks have us drafting him
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:35 PM) last one i seen had us taking cooper, a RB, and hundley for our 1st 3 picks. not thrilled about that
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:38 PM) I don't like Gordon much. Not much of a receiver or blocker, ball security issues, tries to bounce outside too much, stuffed frequently. Gurley is in a league of his own
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:39 PM) Ray is pretty highly regarded. I'm betting he, Dupree, and Gregory will be our best options as well as edge rushers at 6, but I think that's too high for any of them
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 04:43 PM) Personally love Cooper, I know WR isn't our biggest need but he may be the most NFL ready guy in the Draft. If we stick to the 6th pick and Fowler, Beasley, and Mariota are gone, Cooper is the guy to get. I'd even take him over Beasley
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) i don't mind cooper. decker isn't number 1 IMO and marshall is expensive and getting old
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) and we never draft a WR high
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:45 PM) but o-line and QB are huge needs. i wouldn't take o-line 6th overall, but i think our 2nd or 3rd should be o-line
Jetsfan115 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 05:46 PM) we need an OLB as well. if we don't land a QB i'd like to see OLB adn O-line with 2 of our top 3 picks
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:16 PM) I agree on Deck, not a true #1 and he's had a checkered history with injuries. Marshall has 2, maybe 3 productive years left, which is why Cooper is an option
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:17 PM) And I agree with you on edge rusher & OL being bigger needs, but there really isn't a lineman I'd take at 6
Chadforpresi... Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:19 PM) So the way I see it, assuming Winston and Mariota are taken when we're at 6, that Fowler and Cooper are our best choices, and I'd be stunned if Fowler drops. I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we land Cooper
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 08:47 PM) Apparently Tennessee wanted both of Cleveland's #1's and their 2nd rounder to move up to the #2 spot to get Mariota. Still think two 1st rounders are too much for Rivers? He makes us instant contenders and if we make a deep playoff run, it would really be this year's 1st and what equates to basically a 2nd rounder next year.
If not, get Cooper in the 1st and then grab Hundley in the 2nd and O-line in the 3rd.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:05 PM) I wouldn't be upset with Cooper, hes a stud
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:06 PM) Not sure about Ray. Dupree is rising on the draft boards, ridiculously athletic for his size
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:07 PM) Dupree is 6'4 270 and has a amazing get off and runs a 4.5
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Problem is he doesn't have big sack numbers in college, I rather draft a productive guy high
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:09 PM) Vic Beasley is insanely athletic as well and was hugely productive in college, good bet is that Beasley will be a 10+ sack guy in the NFL
NJAzrael71 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:12 PM) Beasley should be a stud but he gets caught up hand fighting if he doesn't beat his guy quickly. He'll likely end up as an OLB but we'll see
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (22 April 2015 - 10:15 PM) He'd be a good fit in our defense, because we could use that speed guy on the outside
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:27 AM) I'd love Rivers, but we should be able to get him without paying 2 first rounders
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:29 AM) Lot of buzz about Dupree going top 10, most mocks I see have us getting either Ray or Dupree at 6. I prefer Dupree, like you said insane athlete for his size
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 06:30 AM) I like Beasley as well but I have a strong feeling Washington will snag him. But he is a small dude, it'd be nice if he'd add some bulk (in Clemson reportedly played around 230)
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Chaos Icon : (23 April 2015 - 10:14 AM) this should change up the top 10
Chadforpresi... Icon : (23 April 2015 - 12:16 PM) Damn that's big. If he drops out of round 1 that could be a massive bargain for whoever gets him round 2. Dupree now looks more like the edge rusher we'd get at 6
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 29 April 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I don't understand draft grades during and right after the draft. These drafted players haven't even played one game yet. You can't truly grade a draft until 2 or 3 years after that draft. We won't know if these players are any good until 2015 or 2016. These websites and "experts" don't know anymore than anybody else when it comes to who will be good and who won't be. It's just too early to tell.

Agreed. Its like judging how good a pizza will taste before it comes out of the oven.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

This man drafted or acquired about 6 starters for us this draft and you hate him?
Two words: Chris Ivory.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostLeonhardSkynyrd36, on 29 April 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

This man drafted or acquired about 6 starters for us this draft and you hate him?
Two words: Chris Ivory.

6 might be pushing it a little but this has to be the best draft we have had since Mangini. On paper anyway.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 April 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

6 might be pushing it a little but this has to be the best draft we have had since Mangini. On paper anyway.


This is the best draft since 2000.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 29 April 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Agreed. Its like judging how good a pizza will taste before it comes out of the oven.


true but if i'm allergic to fish and they give me an anchovy pizza, i can make a good assumption that its not the right pizza for me. sure it could be tasty and other could enjoy it, but its not the right pick for me
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

This is actually correct. i don't hate the giants but right now i do hate idzik.


Not trying to start any $hit, but hypothetically........being COMPLETELY hypothetical here.....say Revis' knee injury had ended his career and he retired rather than having been traded........would you have graded the draft any differently? This is a serious question.

I think I'd say the overall draft would be a B. The Milliner pick, my jury is still out on merely because of his injury issues. The Richardson pick is going to be a diamond in the rough I think purely because the more homework I do on the kid, the more impressed I get. He could be a beast inside which IF Rex does the right thing and moves Coples outside, we COULD actually have a pass rush again.

The building up of the line.......needed to be done as we've had ZERO depth in far too many years.

I'm also including the Chris Ivory trade in the draft since it's as if we drafted him in a 4th round considering that's all we gave up for him. 5.1 avg YPC, has decent blocking ability & soft hands? DEFINITELY got over on New Orleans on that one.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

whats a good gauge then? and yes fans are idiots as proof of your arguing with my assessment right now.\

touché :trink39:

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richardson is a 4-3 DT by most accounts. not a NT, millner wil never be revis. our 2nd and 3rd round picks were the only good picks we made


Who said we will not be running a 4 man front? It would make sense we are since we released Scott, Pace and Thomas. Millner will probably never be a Revis but once again CBs dont win SBs. He needs to be a good CB not a great one. No relavence there. How many Elite CBs were in the playoffs last year?
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 29 April 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Not trying to start any $hit, but hypothetically........being COMPLETELY hypothetical here.....say Revis' knee injury had ended his career and he retired rather than having been traded........would you have graded the draft any differently? This is a serious question.


Seriously yes i would have.

I would have given a higher grade to millner. we traded him becuase we can't afford to pay revis and also so we could get a draft pick to get an offensive playmaker or pass rusher. had revis retired we wouldn't have had the 13th overall so it would have been just milner to replace a retired player of the same position and geno at QB. but overall the draft still would be a C for the lack of getting a pass rusher.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:04 PM

Jetsfan115 also said that he doesn't care if the player is good or not, as long as he fills a need...



Idzik went best available, got some good players at good value. I think that he got 5 starters in this draft, including Chris Ivory.

And people really need to stop getting to caught up in 3-4, 4-3. The Jets run a multiple set defense, they rarely are in a 3-4. Rex will be able to get Richardson, Wilkerson, and Coples onto the field.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:09 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 29 April 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Jetsfan115 also said that he doesn't care if the player is good or not, as long as he fills a need...



Idzik went best available, got some good players at good value. I think that he got 5 starters in this draft, including Chris Ivory.

And people really need to stop getting to caught up in 3-4, 4-3. The Jets run a multiple set defense, they rarely are in a 3-4. Rex will be able to get Richardson, Wilkerson, and Coples onto the field.


wow way to twist my words and take it out of context 0099. for the record i never said that. Re-read what i wrote.

and BPA is relative as its based on the jets board and we don't really know if they were BPA on our board. you can't confirm its what he did. millner was BPA on most boards but he fell due to 5 surgeries and do to teams choosing pass rushers over CBs. we needed a pass rusher, they were all gone, we should have traded down.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

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Posted 29 April 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 29 April 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

You did say it.


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Jetsfan115 Icon : (26 April 2013 - 03:07 PM) i honestly wouldn't mind geno. and not cause ithink he's good but becuase it would actually fill a dam need for once. stupid Iz-Dick


right form the shoutbox. i didn't say he wasn't good, what i said was that i wanted him to fill some holes. i never said he sucked. it is possible to fill a hole with a good player. all signs point to geno being good. the value was there and the need was there. he might not have been BPA but he was the Bets player to fill a big need. milner and richardson were not. didn't a stud safety get drafted a couple picks after richardson? i would have rather had the safety
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:28 PM

Santana if you read this

1. Put that ass back in your signature
2. Change 115s member status to "guy who hates Idzik"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:39 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

wow way to twist my words and take it out of context 0099. for the record i never said that. Re-read what i wrote.

and BPA is relative as its based on the jets board and we don't really know if they were BPA on our board. you can't confirm its what he did. millner was BPA on most boards but he fell due to 5 surgeries and do to teams choosing pass rushers over CBs. we needed a pass rusher, they were all gone, we should have traded down.

You know you need a partner to trade down right? You can't just unilaterally trade your pick to someone below you. You have no idea if they fielded offers or not, so stop speculating that they didn't even try.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

i don't think a C means hate. do i hate him? yes i think he has done terrible so far. but its besides the point. I never said richardson won't be a beast. i said i didn't like the pick

If you think he has a chance to be a beast, why are you against the pick? Is it because it doesn't fill a "need?"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 29 April 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

right form the shoutbox. i didn't say he wasn't good, what i said was that i wanted him to fill some holes. i never said he sucked. it is possible to fill a hole with a good player. all signs point to geno being good. the value was there and the need was there. he might not have been BPA but he was the Bets player to fill a big need. milner and richardson were not. didn't a stud safety get drafted a couple picks after richardson? i would have rather had the safety

You said "I want Smith, not because I think hes good, but because he fills a need"


That to me reads out "i don't care if the player is good or not, I just want him to fill a need"
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 April 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

You know you need a partner to trade down right? You can't just unilaterally trade your pick to someone below you. You have no idea if they fielded offers or not, so stop speculating that they didn't even try.


bills traded down 1 pick before us and STL took one of the players we were targeting. also why did we almost run out of time on both picks? cause we weren't prepared. if we really were doing BPA we would have made our picks right away/ a few teams traded up in the draft. there were partners out there. we were unprepared for the draft and reacted instead of being proactive
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 29 April 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

If you think he has a chance to be a beast, why are you against the pick? Is it because it doesn't fill a "need?"


i never said either of those things. So why do you guys like putting words in my mouth. its like you just want to argue out of bordeom
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:24 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 29 April 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

You said "I want Smith, not because I think hes good, but because he fills a need"


That to me reads out "i don't care if the player is good or not, I just want him to fill a need"


Sorry you have trouble with reading comprehension
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