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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:40 PM) why didn't they talk about Kyle Fuler when torched for 51 yards by Salas?
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Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) Fuck this game fuck the refs fuck this team fuck the season. I'm over this shit
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:42 PM) That's bullshit
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Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) I'm really not feeling Geno Smith.
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RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:45 PM) We'd be 3-0 with Sanchez
SokeSleezy Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Geno's needs to work on his accuracy,Stafford gonna kill us next week smh
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) Yeah gonna go with a good old f*** Geno this week. He is still playing better than last year though
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:46 PM) People saying Sanchez sucks keep in mind he never had a chance to play in morningwegs system. He was held back by shottenheimer
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:47 PM) This team will never have a franchise QB. We can't draft them and when we sign or trade for them, they're past their primes.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) well
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) Because we destoy any promise in our young QBs with our elite offensive support talent.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) TIME TO CHANGE THE DIAPER
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) another game next week
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:48 PM) 3-0 with Sanchez? Oh god...we've gone there already?
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) jets need more talent on O
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) and some god damn DBs
Mr_Jet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:49 PM) Morninweg's system is get the offense going then throw a monkey wrench into things by putting the backup QB in there and f***ing up the offense's rhythm.
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:50 PM) Yes I went there. Geno spots these teams 7-10 points weekly and has turned the ball in the redzone 3 games in a row. If not for 2 dropped ints geno would have 4 picks. Dude sucks at best
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 10:51 PM) Then we got Chris ivory running like marshawn lynch out there and they sit him on the bench the whole fourth quarter
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) I'd like to use the same excuse I used for Sanchez. QB can't really do shit when your best WR would be a #3 if he was lucky on any other team
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) yeah but sanchez was shell shcoked
Chaos Icon : (Yesterday, 10:52 PM) jets werent fixing him
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) Geno will be to after another year or two of this shit.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) What's kerleys contract like
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:53 PM) because if he's underpaid I don't see him sticking around
XvNukemHighvX Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) he only looks good because our O is so bad.
santana Icon : (Yesterday, 10:54 PM) I bet a lot of teams have their eye on him
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:56 PM) Decker doesn't need to play until he is completely healthy
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:58 PM) FIRE IDZIK
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:08 PM) How big was the Sheldon Richardson fumble recovery not being a TD. We quickly went three and out after that
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:43 PM) Idzik better not be stingy this offseason and address the biggest issues we have WR and Secondary
RetireChrebet Icon : (Yesterday, 11:47 PM) King mo says he's ok, injury is minor
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Today, 09:21 AM) As a guy who has been on this site since its inception and is still not a moderator which I guess is cause I'm not part of the rat pack who runs this joint I think GENO should still be the starter.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

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Jets begin to shake up scouting department, letting go of two staffers

It appears John Idzik is starting to shake things up in the front office.

The team has let go of assistant director of college scouting, Mark Davis, as well as area scout Joe Bommarito, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The person requested anonymity because the details of any move have not been made public by the team.

The New York Post first reported the dismissal of both scouts.

The change reflects an unsettling time for holdovers from the Mike Tannenbaum regime, according to one person with knowledge of the situation who requested anonymity to speak candidly. As expected with any general manager change, new people will be brought in and familiar faces will be dismissed.

It is one of the reasons that assistant general manager Scott Cohen was one of a few candidates the holdover staff was pulling for during the team's search for a new general manager in January, the person said. In that scenario, less change was expected.

The timing for a move makes sense, though, as it was unlikely for Idzik to get rid of staff members upon his arrival. At that point, Draft preparation was well underway and the team had spent an entire collegiate season ranking and grading prospects.

In many cases around the league, scouting contracts begin May 1 and end April 30, although it is unclear whether or not this was the deal in place with Davis or Bommarito.

Now, Idzik will start to put his own mark on the department.

Davis, who scouted the southeast for the Jets, was most recently involved with Geno Smith and spoke to reporters about the process a day after Smith was selected with the Jets' No. 39 overall pick.

Bommarito was a west coast scout for the team.

Idzik did not give any prior indication that he was looking to bring in new staff. At the team's pre-Draft press conference, senior personnel executive Terry Bradway said one of Idzik's strong points was respecting the work that has already been done by the scouts and executives in place.

"I think the thing that has been impressive with John is that he has respected our process of the evaluation in the fall, the all-star games, the cross checks, the February meeting, the combine and so forth," Bradway said. "It is hard in midstream to change all of that. But he has been able to add a lot to that also. We are excited about that. Anytime you have change, I think you get invigorated. We are excited about what we are doing."

It is unclear how sweeping those changes will be.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

wow nice job idzik. fire your scouts that just scouted the player you drafted
/sarcasm. this guy sucks
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

wow nice job idzik. fire your scouts that just scouted the player you drafted
/sarcasm. this guy sucks




Wow....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:57 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 02 May 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

Wow....

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It does not matter what he does or has done. Idzik is his thing. His 15 minutes
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:59 AM

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:00 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 02 May 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center


So instead of Going Postal would it be Jetal?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 02 May 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center


lol nah. i'd expect a terrible move like that from iz-dik

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Davis, who scouted the southeast for the Jets, was most recently involved with Geno Smith and spoke to reporters about the process a day after Smith was selected with the Jets' No. 39 overall pick.


so the guy who mainly scouted geno for us gets fired a day after we pick geno?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

so the guy who mainly scouted geno for us gets fired a day after we pick geno?


You are such a clown.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

I heard idzik showed up with brooms and lemon pledge
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

If one of these scouts had a hand in the Gholston pick then I'm glad they're gone now.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 02 May 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

If one of these scouts had a hand in the Gholston pick then I'm glad they're gone now.


And they should be forced to sacrifice their first born to the football gods and beg for forgiveness....or something like that. :29:
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:39 PM

Think about it logically.

These scouts had a big hand in drafting Sanchez, Couples....who hasn't proven himself yet and so far looks like he might be a bust, Ducasse...who looks like a bust, and probably Gholston.

Common sense says you dont keep scouts that suck at scouting.

I guess if you had it your way the Jets would keep the same team and personnel that went 8-8 and 6-10?????

The man is doing the right thing. You firing the people that are proven to have been screwing up and try to bring in someone better.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

Fred Couples?

COPLES. He had a good season. Don't call him a bust.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 02 May 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Think about it logically.

These scouts had a big hand in drafting Sanchez, Couples....who hasn't proven himself yet and so far looks like he might be a bust, Ducasse...who looks like a bust, and probably Gholston.

Common sense says you dont keep scouts that suck at scouting.

I guess if you had it your way the Jets would keep the same team and personnel that went 8-8 and 6-10?????

The man is doing the right thing. You firing the people that are proven to have been screwing up and try to bring in someone better.


Calling anyone not named Gholston a bust after one season is nonsense.

Regardless, Coples led the team in sacks last year...despite only play about half the snaps (don't quote me on the exact percentage).
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


I look at this no differently than when a new president takes office and he installs his own chief of staff and advisers. That's all this is. Idzik is the GM now and he should be able to install his own staff and scouts. If they fail, they'll get fired after a few years. If they don't fail than that's good for all of us.

BTW I wouldn't call the Shonn Greene pick a good one.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


And we have no idea what scout was what % responsible for what pick...so why bother with this ridiculous attempt to poke holes in Idzik.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

And we have no idea what scout was what % responsible for what pick...so why bother with this ridiculous attempt to poke holes in Idzik.


it was directed at robjets not you becuase he said they deserve it for drafting sanchez and gholston
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

it was directed at robjets not you becuase he said they deserve it for drafting sanchez and gholston


It's still ridiculous...
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


Most of these picks prove my point but you dont see it because you have blinders on. Again the last two years the team was 8-8,6-10 and the team wouldnt have been a playoff team even with Revis playing. To think so is delusional.

Next Revis was great out and Kerely is ok but he is nothing more than a 3rd or 4th receiver on most teams. He certainly is not a #2 or #1. So nothing special. As far as the rest.....other than Slauson none of them has really panned out at all.

Coples???? Get real I could care less what he led in on a crappy team. The man was a first round pick and can only play in half the snaps???? For a first round pick that is considered a bust. A bust doesnt mean the player cant have an NFL career but his play certainly isnt the value of a first round draft pick.He may do better in the future but he has yet to prove it. So he outperformed the other players that were on the field most of the game. That makes it look even worse because it says the team knew he was only good for a small amount of time and if he was on the field for long periods he would suck ass.

Greene???? He sucks and would be a backup or 3rd rb at most on most any team in the NFL. He averages like 2-3 yards a carry. If you think that is good you need to look at the average a running back should get per carry.

Wilson??? He was supposed to be the next Revis and yet has gotten less and less playing time and ient even solid playing in the nickel. The Jets had to upgrade the safeties to help him because Cro and Revis certainly didn't need the help. I consider him a bust just like Lowery was. Wilson is nothing more than another 3rd or 4th backup corner. Another bust because he didn't meet expectations

Cant say much about Powell because he is what he was drafted to be

Mcknight????? Another that hasn't met expectations and clearly a bust. Never proven to be even a half decent running back except in garbage games or preseason. The fact that the team had to find other things for him to do proves this.

Wilkerson is ok but he sure is not dominant for a first round pick. The book is still out on him at this point I consider him just above average as a starter.


My point is You are acting like the team has been a playoff team every year and what I'm saying is the reality is that the scouts have scouted more busts and players that haven't lived up to expectations than players that have succeeded. Sure they hit it with a few players but more haven't lived up or are busts. That isn't an opinion that is fact.

You are jumping on the new gm like you could be a gm or scout the right players. Obviously you cant. I'm just saying get off the gms nuts and give him a chance.
You stating he sucks before the team has even played a season with him as gm doesn't mean he does suck. Its an idiotic and stupid assessment that is totally irrational.

If the team sucks in three or four years then myself and most fans would agree with you but saying the man sucks before one game has even been played is simply retarded.I'm just saying give it a rest with the gm until he proves himself good or otherwise. The way you are continuously rambling on I just want him to succeed for the sole fact that everyone can rub it in your face in a few years and tell you that you are dumb for jumping to conclusions. No one knows what he is or isn't at this point. Lets just wait and see.

As an example I saw Sanchez`s flaws in his rookie year but I didn't start bitching about him sucking until mid second year when it was clear to me he wasn't progressing. If I would have jumped to conclusions like you did I would have stated it early in his rookie year or even before he played a single snap. Basically I'm just saying the reason everyone is jumping on you is because you are making a total ass out of yourself jumping to conclusions so soon.

Hell I'm not big on the Geno Smith pick because of all his weaknesses but I'm not going to make a crusade against the pick. The man deserves a fair shot to prove himself.Also you aren't the only one on the board who have watched the Jets for a long period. I'm 43 and have 29 years as a Jets fan and there are others who have been a fan much longer so this green and white goggles comment is stupid too.Many of us are aware of the constant bad decisions and failures or curse or whatever and most of us expect something to go wrong every year at some point. You are definitely not alone in that aspect.

Hell I pride myself on seeing things clearly and not being biased or blinded just because the team in question is my favorite team and I know I saw Sanchez as a failure before anyone else on the board because I have been bitching about him for 3 years now but like I said I'm not dumb enough to complain about changes before even one game has been played.I look at the players on this team as if I was just an analyst and they weren't my favorite team. I look at them for their strengths and weaknesses and production on the field and not with blinders because they are my favorite team. Most people on the board know I have no problem about complaining about players on the team.

No matter how smart you may be complaining about changes before the season and assuming the gm sucks before the team has done anything on the field is a very unintelligent assessment. All the players and the gm and his scout deserve a chance to prove themselves. Complaining about what might or might not happen doesn't nothing but make yourself and other members on the board unhappy. If you can tell the future then please let us know but I have my doubts that you can because you would have given us reliable insight in the past like the Jets failing in the 3 AFC Championship appearances ahead of time.
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