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ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:26 PM) we need to cut this assclown patterson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (Yesterday, 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

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Jets begin to shake up scouting department, letting go of two staffers

It appears John Idzik is starting to shake things up in the front office.

The team has let go of assistant director of college scouting, Mark Davis, as well as area scout Joe Bommarito, a person with knowledge of the situation confirmed. The person requested anonymity because the details of any move have not been made public by the team.

The New York Post first reported the dismissal of both scouts.

The change reflects an unsettling time for holdovers from the Mike Tannenbaum regime, according to one person with knowledge of the situation who requested anonymity to speak candidly. As expected with any general manager change, new people will be brought in and familiar faces will be dismissed.

It is one of the reasons that assistant general manager Scott Cohen was one of a few candidates the holdover staff was pulling for during the team's search for a new general manager in January, the person said. In that scenario, less change was expected.

The timing for a move makes sense, though, as it was unlikely for Idzik to get rid of staff members upon his arrival. At that point, Draft preparation was well underway and the team had spent an entire collegiate season ranking and grading prospects.

In many cases around the league, scouting contracts begin May 1 and end April 30, although it is unclear whether or not this was the deal in place with Davis or Bommarito.

Now, Idzik will start to put his own mark on the department.

Davis, who scouted the southeast for the Jets, was most recently involved with Geno Smith and spoke to reporters about the process a day after Smith was selected with the Jets' No. 39 overall pick.

Bommarito was a west coast scout for the team.

Idzik did not give any prior indication that he was looking to bring in new staff. At the team's pre-Draft press conference, senior personnel executive Terry Bradway said one of Idzik's strong points was respecting the work that has already been done by the scouts and executives in place.

"I think the thing that has been impressive with John is that he has respected our process of the evaluation in the fall, the all-star games, the cross checks, the February meeting, the combine and so forth," Bradway said. "It is hard in midstream to change all of that. But he has been able to add a lot to that also. We are excited about that. Anytime you have change, I think you get invigorated. We are excited about what we are doing."

It is unclear how sweeping those changes will be.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

wow nice job idzik. fire your scouts that just scouted the player you drafted
/sarcasm. this guy sucks
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:52 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

wow nice job idzik. fire your scouts that just scouted the player you drafted
/sarcasm. this guy sucks




Wow....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:57 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 02 May 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

Wow....

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It does not matter what he does or has done. Idzik is his thing. His 15 minutes
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:59 AM

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:00 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 02 May 2013 - 09:59 AM, said:

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center


So instead of Going Postal would it be Jetal?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 02 May 2013 - 07:59 AM, said:

If Idzik releases Stephen Hill, 115 is going to go on a shooting spree through the Atlantic Health Jets Training Center


lol nah. i'd expect a terrible move like that from iz-dik

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Davis, who scouted the southeast for the Jets, was most recently involved with Geno Smith and spoke to reporters about the process a day after Smith was selected with the Jets' No. 39 overall pick.


so the guy who mainly scouted geno for us gets fired a day after we pick geno?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:32 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 10:27 AM, said:

so the guy who mainly scouted geno for us gets fired a day after we pick geno?


You are such a clown.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

I heard idzik showed up with brooms and lemon pledge
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

If one of these scouts had a hand in the Gholston pick then I'm glad they're gone now.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 02 May 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

If one of these scouts had a hand in the Gholston pick then I'm glad they're gone now.


And they should be forced to sacrifice their first born to the football gods and beg for forgiveness....or something like that. :29:
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 01:39 PM

Think about it logically.

These scouts had a big hand in drafting Sanchez, Couples....who hasn't proven himself yet and so far looks like he might be a bust, Ducasse...who looks like a bust, and probably Gholston.

Common sense says you dont keep scouts that suck at scouting.

I guess if you had it your way the Jets would keep the same team and personnel that went 8-8 and 6-10?????

The man is doing the right thing. You firing the people that are proven to have been screwing up and try to bring in someone better.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

Fred Couples?

COPLES. He had a good season. Don't call him a bust.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostROBJETS, on 02 May 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Think about it logically.

These scouts had a big hand in drafting Sanchez, Couples....who hasn't proven himself yet and so far looks like he might be a bust, Ducasse...who looks like a bust, and probably Gholston.

Common sense says you dont keep scouts that suck at scouting.

I guess if you had it your way the Jets would keep the same team and personnel that went 8-8 and 6-10?????

The man is doing the right thing. You firing the people that are proven to have been screwing up and try to bring in someone better.


Calling anyone not named Gholston a bust after one season is nonsense.

Regardless, Coples led the team in sacks last year...despite only play about half the snaps (don't quote me on the exact percentage).
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


I look at this no differently than when a new president takes office and he installs his own chief of staff and advisers. That's all this is. Idzik is the GM now and he should be able to install his own staff and scouts. If they fail, they'll get fired after a few years. If they don't fail than that's good for all of us.

BTW I wouldn't call the Shonn Greene pick a good one.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


And we have no idea what scout was what % responsible for what pick...so why bother with this ridiculous attempt to poke holes in Idzik.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

And we have no idea what scout was what % responsible for what pick...so why bother with this ridiculous attempt to poke holes in Idzik.


it was directed at robjets not you becuase he said they deserve it for drafting sanchez and gholston
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

it was directed at robjets not you becuase he said they deserve it for drafting sanchez and gholston


It's still ridiculous...
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

same staff that drafted
revis
coples
wilkerson
wilson
kerly in the 5th
powerll and mcknight in the 4th
greene in the 3rd
slauson in the 6th

thats pretty good. sure sanchez didn't pan out, and ducasse and ghoslton were terrible but you cna't hit on every pick


Most of these picks prove my point but you dont see it because you have blinders on. Again the last two years the team was 8-8,6-10 and the team wouldnt have been a playoff team even with Revis playing. To think so is delusional.

Next Revis was great out and Kerely is ok but he is nothing more than a 3rd or 4th receiver on most teams. He certainly is not a #2 or #1. So nothing special. As far as the rest.....other than Slauson none of them has really panned out at all.

Coples???? Get real I could care less what he led in on a crappy team. The man was a first round pick and can only play in half the snaps???? For a first round pick that is considered a bust. A bust doesnt mean the player cant have an NFL career but his play certainly isnt the value of a first round draft pick.He may do better in the future but he has yet to prove it. So he outperformed the other players that were on the field most of the game. That makes it look even worse because it says the team knew he was only good for a small amount of time and if he was on the field for long periods he would suck ass.

Greene???? He sucks and would be a backup or 3rd rb at most on most any team in the NFL. He averages like 2-3 yards a carry. If you think that is good you need to look at the average a running back should get per carry.

Wilson??? He was supposed to be the next Revis and yet has gotten less and less playing time and ient even solid playing in the nickel. The Jets had to upgrade the safeties to help him because Cro and Revis certainly didn't need the help. I consider him a bust just like Lowery was. Wilson is nothing more than another 3rd or 4th backup corner. Another bust because he didn't meet expectations

Cant say much about Powell because he is what he was drafted to be

Mcknight????? Another that hasn't met expectations and clearly a bust. Never proven to be even a half decent running back except in garbage games or preseason. The fact that the team had to find other things for him to do proves this.

Wilkerson is ok but he sure is not dominant for a first round pick. The book is still out on him at this point I consider him just above average as a starter.


My point is You are acting like the team has been a playoff team every year and what I'm saying is the reality is that the scouts have scouted more busts and players that haven't lived up to expectations than players that have succeeded. Sure they hit it with a few players but more haven't lived up or are busts. That isn't an opinion that is fact.

You are jumping on the new gm like you could be a gm or scout the right players. Obviously you cant. I'm just saying get off the gms nuts and give him a chance.
You stating he sucks before the team has even played a season with him as gm doesn't mean he does suck. Its an idiotic and stupid assessment that is totally irrational.

If the team sucks in three or four years then myself and most fans would agree with you but saying the man sucks before one game has even been played is simply retarded.I'm just saying give it a rest with the gm until he proves himself good or otherwise. The way you are continuously rambling on I just want him to succeed for the sole fact that everyone can rub it in your face in a few years and tell you that you are dumb for jumping to conclusions. No one knows what he is or isn't at this point. Lets just wait and see.

As an example I saw Sanchez`s flaws in his rookie year but I didn't start bitching about him sucking until mid second year when it was clear to me he wasn't progressing. If I would have jumped to conclusions like you did I would have stated it early in his rookie year or even before he played a single snap. Basically I'm just saying the reason everyone is jumping on you is because you are making a total ass out of yourself jumping to conclusions so soon.

Hell I'm not big on the Geno Smith pick because of all his weaknesses but I'm not going to make a crusade against the pick. The man deserves a fair shot to prove himself.Also you aren't the only one on the board who have watched the Jets for a long period. I'm 43 and have 29 years as a Jets fan and there are others who have been a fan much longer so this green and white goggles comment is stupid too.Many of us are aware of the constant bad decisions and failures or curse or whatever and most of us expect something to go wrong every year at some point. You are definitely not alone in that aspect.

Hell I pride myself on seeing things clearly and not being biased or blinded just because the team in question is my favorite team and I know I saw Sanchez as a failure before anyone else on the board because I have been bitching about him for 3 years now but like I said I'm not dumb enough to complain about changes before even one game has been played.I look at the players on this team as if I was just an analyst and they weren't my favorite team. I look at them for their strengths and weaknesses and production on the field and not with blinders because they are my favorite team. Most people on the board know I have no problem about complaining about players on the team.

No matter how smart you may be complaining about changes before the season and assuming the gm sucks before the team has done anything on the field is a very unintelligent assessment. All the players and the gm and his scout deserve a chance to prove themselves. Complaining about what might or might not happen doesn't nothing but make yourself and other members on the board unhappy. If you can tell the future then please let us know but I have my doubts that you can because you would have given us reliable insight in the past like the Jets failing in the 3 AFC Championship appearances ahead of time.
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