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MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) good
MikeGangGree... Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:09 AM) Best day of the week is the day after a Jets Win!
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:12 AM) Rob you think the offense started off ugly? we scored on our first 4 drives, and controlled the ball 80% of the time the first half. We didn't even punt until the 2nd half
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:21 AM) I meant the hits on Fitz at on the first Drive or two with the fumbles and almost fumbles....The Tom Brady rule where balls that used to be fumbles are incomplete. We recovered the ball on all but one but it was ruled incomplete
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:26 AM) The offensive line stepped off after Hughes got hurt for however long he was out. I don't blame J. Marsh for that fumble because that was just a hell of a play. Imo Fitz had a career best game even with only 1 td passing. Never seen him so accurate. So yeah when I meant ugly I meant dline penetration and the 1st two drives ending up in fieldgoals
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:30 AM) But 31 points given up passing by the defense passing was bad. It wasn't just 2 long bombs and that defensive touchdown leading to 21 points. 3q1 against a bad team was terrible for the defense. Without the offense putting up 37 the Jets,would have lost so yeah I consider it an ugly start on both ends
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:32 AM) I'm glad like everyone else that the Jets won. Especially with getting with by the Bills multiple times it was nice revenge.
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 10:34 AM) Just saying that the Bills look like a bad team this year and the Jets have to face a lot of teams that are probably playoff bound again so yes there is a lot of concern
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:39 AM) fitz look good and lets not forget the 50+ yarder to decker that was called back on a BS holding penalty. plus if you rewatch it, the jets d-line was getting held like crazy and never got calls. I seen McLendon, williams, and wilk all complaining about it
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:32 PM) I think the game plan for the D was to keep Taylor in the pocker
azjetfan Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:33 PM) They didn't want him running around when they only rushed 3-4 guts
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:37 PM) bills fired their OC today after the loss yesterday lol
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) yeah we didn't really rush, we just tried to keep contain on the outside and collapse the middle
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:38 PM) on the salas TD, one of our LBers went for the sack and broke contain and pryor got away and made the play
Jetsfan115 Icon : (16 September 2016 - 12:39 PM) when we did rush which was rare, we had a spy
ROBJETS Icon : (16 September 2016 - 11:11 PM) As far as the Bills firing the oc I'm not sure I agree with it with Watkins having major foot problem with a steel rod in his surgically repaired foot but I dont follow the Bills so cant really say. I do think they need to get rid of Rob Ryan though. He had a decent year with the Browns then was terrible with the Cowboys and Saints. He isn't half the DC that Rex is. I still think Rex can be a good head coach withe the right coaches and roster but Rob Ryan isn't the answer. But if Rex wants to ruin his chance of staying a head coach by keeping his brother on the coaching staff like he ruined his head coaching job keeping Sanchez as a starter then that's his stupidity
ganggreen2003 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 12:20 AM) The A Football Life of Curtis Martin is a MUST WATCH!!!!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (17 September 2016 - 02:03 PM) They got rid of their OC after their defense was ripped apart
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:03 PM) Well hell that makes even less sense. The defense gets ripped apart so let's get rid of the oc instead of the dc.they didn't have much of a run game but a lot of passes yards. If they wanted to blame anyone for nearly 40 points against them it was their defense. But guess Rex used the ocean as the scale goat instead of his brother
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) Oc not ocean. Damn Auto correct on phone
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:04 PM) And scape goatee
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:05 PM) Lol still can't get it right
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:13 PM) Not sure about anyone else but I'm extremely interested in the 49r/ Panther game at 1pm. Just want to see if the 49rs are actually good this year or if the Rams have become one of the worst teams in the league this year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:16 PM) If the Rams have regressed that much then all the Todd Gurley owners in fantasy will likely have low points from him all year. Might even be worth trying to trade him early if they look just as bad this week before his stock drops
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:26 PM) I drafted him last year and also had David Johnson, Chris Johnson, Roetlesburger, Romo, Palmer, Barnage,, .....my whole team was stacked with starters. Entire team wasc stacked with starters. Even bench. Made tge Superbowl but did have a rough start at behinning of season when Romo and Roethlisberger wentvdown at the start of season also lost amazing starting rb and wr all within the 1st 4 games but worked the waivers really well..shut out until garbage time by a team that was terrible last year
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:28 PM) Last part meant Rams were shut out entire game even in garbage time against 49r backups
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 05:29 PM) Sorry about typos. Hard to type on small phone screen
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:00 PM) This is why I'm glad Rex is gone. Fire the OC after the D gives up 500 yards??
MikeGangGree... Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:01 PM) UPDATE THE UPDATE!!!!
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:25 PM) Yep Rex isn't a bad coach but he needs to have all player and coach decisions as far as firing and hiring taken out of his hands. His problem is he doesn't know to separate the job from loyalty to players and is unable to let underperforming players go
ROBJETS Icon : (17 September 2016 - 06:27 PM) He was great as a DC because he wasn't in charge of roster and firing decisions. He will never make it as a good head coach until he can get rid of loyalty and run a team like any boss runs a business.
azjetfan Icon : (17 September 2016 - 07:16 PM) I loved Rex as a person. But he is severely handicapped in his skill set as a HC. He has not adapted and will not adapt. That's why he isn't here and will be fired from Buffalo.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:05 AM) It's all guessing and I will like likely stick with my two starters that are injured and playing but D.Thomas looks like he is still in a lot of pain and Stewart is still in the locker room getting ankle treatment so both could be on a snap count
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:06 AM) I have good wr's on bench and good rb's on bench but they have bad matchups. Do t trust Diggs against Greenbay or Doug Martin against Arizona both on bench
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:08 AM) If I made changes I have Crabtree for Oakland Aagainst Atlanta and Abdullah for Detroit against 49rs as my two options I would choose if I made any changes
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:10 AM) Actually have it backwards with my running back teams
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:12 AM) Detroit vs Titans who I believe has a legit defense. Panthers have a better team but the ankle for Stewart and both the Titans and 49rs are ranked #1 against the run. Not a believer in the 49rs defensesthough
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:13 AM) Believe the Rams oline just sucks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:15 AM) Abdullah splits carries but he did get 17 last week and also catches a lot of passes and has a better qb so could exploit the Titans still
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:16 AM) Will most likely do my own thing anyway just looking for input from those that actually study in fantasy if anyone feels like offering their opinions. If not it's cool too. Thanks
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 11:18 AM) If not for the injuries to the two players I'd keep them in for sure but all it takes for Thomas is a hit to the hip and a tackle by the ankle for Stewart if they aren't on a snap count already or if pain doesn't get to them.
ROBJETS Icon : (18 September 2016 - 12:45 PM) Well looks like leaving in Stewart was,a,bad move in locker room
MikeGangGree... Icon : (18 September 2016 - 04:54 PM) Good news! Dolphins suck
santana Icon : (19 September 2016 - 08:08 AM) Thanks professor
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:17 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

lol kid? i'm old enough to be your daddy probably


Which makes this thread all the more pathetic.
"My first thought was I looked and I saw who was second and [thought], 'Hey, I finally beat Belichick at something. I got him. I knew it would take time, but I finally got him.'"
--Rex Ryan on being voted the most overrated NFL head coach
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 02 May 2013 - 06:17 PM, said:

didn't backtrack. someone asked for anywhere that said the jets got a average garde. i posted links when somebody said fan voting is stupid and not a good example i agreed. its not backtracking at all.

Honestly i can care less what sports writers think. i think its a bad move. were gonna suck this year and were gonna suck for a while idzik will get fired everyone will hate him and it'll start over again. In 4 years, i'll look like a prophet. if i'm wrong 4 years from now and we have a good team and are a contender you can gladly use this against me saying i was wrong and i'll admit to being wrong. but i expect the same from you when idzik fails


Predicting a Head Coach or GM will get fired is hardly prophetic...

Also, no one is saying Idzik is definitely going to lead this team to a championship...all we're saying is it is ridiculously premature to say he is definitely a shitty GM.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Predicting a Head Coach or GM will get fired is hardly prophetic...

Also, no one is saying Idzik is definitely going to lead this team to a championship...all we're saying is it is ridiculously premature to say he is definitely a shitty GM.


Agreed, not only are the chances of success for HCs and GMs small in the NFL. But the Jets don't exactly have a history of picking successful HCs and GMs.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:38 AM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Predicting a Head Coach or GM will get fired is hardly prophetic...

Also, no one is saying Idzik is definitely going to lead this team to a championship...all we're saying is it is ridiculously premature to say he is definitely a shitty GM.


well in all fairness he has done a shitty job so far if anyone cares to take off their green colored glasses they wil see that
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:50 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 03 May 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

well in all fairness he has done a shitty job so far if anyone cares to take off their green colored glasses they wil see that


Just blind hate... :boredom:
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 03 May 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Just blind hate... :boredom:/>


nope blind hate would have been when he was hired. i listed at least 10 things i feel he screwed up on. thats far from blind hate. its called justified hate
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 03 May 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

well in all fairness he has done a shitty job so far if anyone cares to take off their green colored glasses they wil see that

I have grown bored with you. I am moving on. Your dumped.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 03 May 2013 - 12:30 PM, said:

nope blind hate would have been when he was hired. i listed at least 10 things i feel he screwed up on. thats far from blind hate. its called justified hate


Alright...this is my last effort at reason...

Let's look at the moves Idzik has made since his hire:

1. Traded Darrelle Revis.
- For starters, this directive obviously came down from Woody, since Woody said the Jets were looking to trade him before Idzik was even hired. So, we have to judge Idzik only on the trade itself, in which he got the 13th overall pick and a future 3rd for a CB coming off ACL surgery that no other team showed interest in trading for. He managed a very high pick with basically no leverage. I'd say this is a pretty good move all considering.

2. Cut the dead weight.
- He released several old or overpaid starters. This is a key part of rebuilding. Yes, he also let productive players like Mike DeVito go...but it would have cost too much to resign him. This is the kind of move a bad GM makes; overpaying for one-dimensional, average players. Guaranteed the Jets would have regretted signing DeVito in two years!

3. Signed good, cheap replacements.
- The guys like Antwan Barnes, Antonio Garay, and Dawan Landry aren't meant to usher in a new era of dominance for the team. They are guys who have the potential to outproduce their dollar value, which is all the Jets can hope for right now. They can't, nor should they, be signing big free agents to big dollars right now.

4. Signed Calvin Pace back to a cap friendly deal.
- Great move. Gives the Jets flexibility in the draft to get the best player available. I'm sure the Jets hope he doesn't play much, but if he does he won't hurt the team. That's important, while his playmaking days are behind him, the Jets won't have to worry about him making lots of mistakes either.

5. Drafted a CB, pass rushing interior DL, and QB in the first two rounds.
- You can debate the philosophy of trading away the best CB only to draft one in the first round. But, Milliner was the best CB by a lot in this draft, and many think will be a star. Richardson will hopefully fill a role the Jets haven't had since Trevor Pryce. Interior pass rushes might be the rarest breed in the NFL, so if you think you've found a good one...pounce. I am not the biggest fan of the Geno Smith pick, but if the Jets truly think he can be their franchise QB...you can't knock this pick.

6. Drafted solid OL prospects in the middle rounds.
- Unlike Idzik's predecessor, he seems to understand the importance of building depth on the OL in the middle rounds. I really like Winters and Aboushi, and think both will be starters at some point this season. These are great picks you'd have a tough time poking holes in...

7. Cut Tebow
- Duh.

8. Released scouts and FO people.
- He's going to bring in some of his own guys, something every new boss does in every profession. Get over it. And don't say he should have fired them before the draft, they were 9 months into a 12 month process with those guys...you can't replace what they had done for 9 months.

Like I said...I'm not saying Idzik is a great GM. But, you can't possibly know enough about him to go on the ridiculous rants you have 115.

Could the Revis trade turn out to be a disaster? Sure.

Could Geno Smith be cut in 2 years? Sure.

Could Idzik never be able to lure top quality FA's when the Jets think they are closer to a championship? Sure.

Could Idzik get the team in cap trouble by handing out bloated contracts to declining players both internal and external? Sure.

But...none of that has happened yet. So relax.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:35 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 03 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Alright...this is my last effort at reason...

Let's look at the moves Idzik has made since his hire:

1. Traded Darrelle Revis.
- For starters, this directive obviously came down from Woody, since Woody said the Jets were looking to trade him before Idzik was even hired. So, we have to judge Idzik only on the trade itself, in which he got the 13th overall pick and a future 3rd for a CB coming off ACL surgery that no other team showed interest in trading for. He managed a very high pick with basically no leverage. I'd say this is a pretty good move all considering.

2. Cut the dead weight.
- He released several old or overpaid starters. This is a key part of rebuilding. Yes, he also let productive players like Mike DeVito go...but it would have cost too much to resign him. This is the kind of move a bad GM makes; overpaying for one-dimensional, average players. Guaranteed the Jets would have regretted signing DeVito in two years!

3. Signed good, cheap replacements.
- The guys like Antwan Barnes, Antonio Garay, and Dawan Landry aren't meant to usher in a new era of dominance for the team. They are guys who have the potential to outproduce their dollar value, which is all the Jets can hope for right now. They can't, nor should they, be signing big free agents to big dollars right now.

4. Signed Calvin Pace back to a cap friendly deal.
- Great move. Gives the Jets flexibility in the draft to get the best player available. I'm sure the Jets hope he doesn't play much, but if he does he won't hurt the team. That's important, while his playmaking days are behind him, the Jets won't have to worry about him making lots of mistakes either.

5. Drafted a CB, pass rushing interior DL, and QB in the first two rounds.
- You can debate the philosophy of trading away the best CB only to draft one in the first round. But, Milliner was the best CB by a lot in this draft, and many think will be a star. Richardson will hopefully fill a role the Jets haven't had since Trevor Pryce. Interior pass rushes might be the rarest breed in the NFL, so if you think you've found a good one...pounce. I am not the biggest fan of the Geno Smith pick, but if the Jets truly think he can be their franchise QB...you can't knock this pick.

6. Drafted solid OL prospects in the middle rounds.
- Unlike Idzik's predecessor, he seems to understand the importance of building depth on the OL in the middle rounds. I really like Winters and Aboushi, and think both will be starters at some point this season. These are great picks you'd have a tough time poking holes in...

7. Cut Tebow
- Duh.

8. Released scouts and FO people.
- He's going to bring in some of his own guys, something every new boss does in every profession. Get over it. And don't say he should have fired them before the draft, they were 9 months into a 12 month process with those guys...you can't replace what they had done for 9 months.

Like I said...I'm not saying Idzik is a great GM. But, you can't possibly know enough about him to go on the ridiculous rants you have 115.

Could the Revis trade turn out to be a disaster? Sure.

Could Geno Smith be cut in 2 years? Sure.

Could Idzik never be able to lure top quality FA's when the Jets think they are closer to a championship? Sure.

Could Idzik get the team in cap trouble by handing out bloated contracts to declining players both internal and external? Sure.

But...none of that has happened yet. So relax.


Quote for emphasis. Great post! :drinks:
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:41 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 03 May 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

Alright...this is my last effort at reason...

Let's look at the moves Idzik has made since his hire:

1. Traded Darrelle Revis.
- For starters, this directive obviously came down from Woody, since Woody said the Jets were looking to trade him before Idzik was even hired. So, we have to judge Idzik only on the trade itself, in which he got the 13th overall pick and a future 3rd for a CB coming off ACL surgery that no other team showed interest in trading for. He managed a very high pick with basically no leverage. I'd say this is a pretty good move all considering.

2. Cut the dead weight.
- He released several old or overpaid starters. This is a key part of rebuilding. Yes, he also let productive players like Mike DeVito go...but it would have cost too much to resign him. This is the kind of move a bad GM makes; overpaying for one-dimensional, average players. Guaranteed the Jets would have regretted signing DeVito in two years!

3. Signed good, cheap replacements.
- The guys like Antwan Barnes, Antonio Garay, and Dawan Landry aren't meant to usher in a new era of dominance for the team. They are guys who have the potential to outproduce their dollar value, which is all the Jets can hope for right now. They can't, nor should they, be signing big free agents to big dollars right now.

4. Signed Calvin Pace back to a cap friendly deal.
- Great move. Gives the Jets flexibility in the draft to get the best player available. I'm sure the Jets hope he doesn't play much, but if he does he won't hurt the team. That's important, while his playmaking days are behind him, the Jets won't have to worry about him making lots of mistakes either.

5. Drafted a CB, pass rushing interior DL, and QB in the first two rounds.
- You can debate the philosophy of trading away the best CB only to draft one in the first round. But, Milliner was the best CB by a lot in this draft, and many think will be a star. Richardson will hopefully fill a role the Jets haven't had since Trevor Pryce. Interior pass rushes might be the rarest breed in the NFL, so if you think you've found a good one...pounce. I am not the biggest fan of the Geno Smith pick, but if the Jets truly think he can be their franchise QB...you can't knock this pick.

6. Drafted solid OL prospects in the middle rounds.
- Unlike Idzik's predecessor, he seems to understand the importance of building depth on the OL in the middle rounds. I really like Winters and Aboushi, and think both will be starters at some point this season. These are great picks you'd have a tough time poking holes in...

7. Cut Tebow
- Duh.

8. Released scouts and FO people.
- He's going to bring in some of his own guys, something every new boss does in every profession. Get over it. And don't say he should have fired them before the draft, they were 9 months into a 12 month process with those guys...you can't replace what they had done for 9 months.

Like I said...I'm not saying Idzik is a great GM. But, you can't possibly know enough about him to go on the ridiculous rants you have 115.

Could the Revis trade turn out to be a disaster? Sure.

Could Geno Smith be cut in 2 years? Sure.

Could Idzik never be able to lure top quality FA's when the Jets think they are closer to a championship? Sure.

Could Idzik get the team in cap trouble by handing out bloated contracts to declining players both internal and external? Sure.

But...none of that has happened yet. So relax.


1) ok lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that idzik had no choice but to trade revis. it was still handled poorly. and to say he had no choice isn't believable since it looked like we were gonna keep revis if TB didn't give up their 1st this year. but lets say ok its the case. he still handled it poorly. he should have just told revis that he was going to try to trade him and allow him and his agent to seek out a trade partner. agents are scum but they are dam good at finding ways to make money and upselling their clients. even if the agent got an extra team ro 2 interested it would have helped. plus it wouldn't have left revis in the dark either meaning he wouldn't have felt so upset with the team. sometimes its not your actions but they way you go about them. The whole thing was handled poorly and i felt we left something on the table.

2) i'm ok with devito going. he got paid alot for an average player. but guys like keller and slauson who signed cheap 1 year deals and are young starters and good draft picks should have been kept. losing a starting guard and a solid recieving TE is huge. keller has led the team in recieving for like 2 out of the past 4 years? you think it didn't hurt sanchez nothaving keller. you think keller wouldn't help geno as a safety blanket underneath? taht was a poor move. i understand pohua since he is getting old, and devito cause he got paid too much and even landry who was awesome but got alot of money for a safety elsewhere. but keller and slauson were terrible decisions

3) i don't mind those signings but again none of the are going to be anything great. they are stop gaps which are fine but every team does this. its not anything great he did for us.

4) same as 3

5) drafting the QB was good. saying that he wanted an offensive playmaker and a OLB pass rusher and then ignoring it was bad. now coples is moving out of position which doens't work very often.

6) I think the lineman were good picks. but unless 2 are gonna start right away our line isn't looking good this year.

7) no brainer, not really anything impressive on his part

8)we don't know why they were fired or why they were singled out. yes i know that he wants some of hsi guys. its normal, but you fire the guy who scouted the player you picked i the 2nd round? makes no sense. and plus he's been there what 1-2 months how could he know which scouts we had that were teh best and which ones weren't he could have fired our 2 best scouts and kept bad ones. nobody knows teh move was premature IMO
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 03 May 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

1) ok lets give the benefit of the doubt and say that idzik had no choice but to trade revis. it was still handled poorly. and to say he had no choice isn't believable since it looked like we were gonna keep revis if TB didn't give up their 1st this year. but lets say ok its the case. he still handled it poorly. he should have just told revis that he was going to try to trade him and allow him and his agent to seek out a trade partner. agents are scum but they are dam good at finding ways to make money and upselling their clients. even if the agent got an extra team ro 2 interested it would have helped. plus it wouldn't have left revis in the dark either meaning he wouldn't have felt so upset with the team. sometimes its not your actions but they way you go about them. The whole thing was handled poorly and i felt we left something on the table.

You don't know what he did or did not say to Revis. I think it's pretty obvious no other teams were interested. It wasn't a secret the Jets were trading Revis, so teams had plenty of time to work a deal out.

2) i'm ok with devito going. he got paid alot for an average player. but guys like keller and slauson who signed cheap 1 year deals and are young starters and good draft picks should have been kept. losing a starting guard and a solid recieving TE is huge. keller has led the team in recieving for like 2 out of the past 4 years? you think it didn't hurt sanchez nothaving keller. you think keller wouldn't help geno as a safety blanket underneath? taht was a poor move. i understand pohua since he is getting old, and devito cause he got paid too much and even landry who was awesome but got alot of money for a safety elsewhere. but keller and slauson were terrible decisions

I personally was never a big fan of Keller. I know that means nothing here, but judging by the fact both of those players got small, one year deals means there wasn't a lot of interest in their services. Again, just like Revis, if the Jets were so stupid for letting these guys go there would have been more teams lining up for them.

3) i don't mind those signings but again none of the are going to be anything great. they are stop gaps which are fine but every team does this. its not anything great he did for us.

Haha, no...you're right. Nothing special...but nothing bad either.

4) same as 3

5) drafting the QB was good. saying that he wanted an offensive playmaker and a OLB pass rusher and then ignoring it was bad. now coples is moving out of position which doens't work very often.

Does a QB not count as an offensive playmaker? I didn't read the OLB part, but given how the draft fell, what was he supposed to do? Don't you think it would have been a hell of a lot worse if he panicked and blew the whole draft by trading up for an Ezekiel Ansah?

6) I think the lineman were good picks. but unless 2 are gonna start right away our line isn't looking good this year.

True, but he signed 2 veterans who at the very least can be average starters, with the hope that the draft picks can take their jobs. Perfect.

7) no brainer, not really anything impressive on his part

8)we don't know why they were fired or why they were singled out. yes i know that he wants some of hsi guys. its normal, but you fire the guy who scouted the player you picked i the 2nd round? makes no sense. and plus he's been there what 1-2 months how could he know which scouts we had that were teh best and which ones weren't he could have fired our 2 best scouts and kept bad ones. nobody knows teh move was premature IMO

Premature? So you think it would have been better to let them start work scouting for next year's draft and wait a few months, only to fire them then, and waste several months worth of work? That's bad business. The scouts work for next year's draft starts right now, so why wait.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

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View PostHurricaneJet32, on 03 May 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Alright...this is my last effort at reason...

Let's look at the moves Idzik has made since his hire:

1. Traded Darrelle Revis.
- For starters, this directive obviously came down from Woody, since Woody said the Jets were looking to trade him before Idzik was even hired. So, we have to judge Idzik only on the trade itself, in which he got the 13th overall pick and a future 3rd for a CB coming off ACL surgery that no other team showed interest in trading for. He managed a very high pick with basically no leverage. I'd say this is a pretty good move all considering.

2. Cut the dead weight.
- He released several old or overpaid starters. This is a key part of rebuilding. Yes, he also let productive players like Mike DeVito go...but it would have cost too much to resign him. This is the kind of move a bad GM makes; overpaying for one-dimensional, average players. Guaranteed the Jets would have regretted signing DeVito in two years!

3. Signed good, cheap replacements.
- The guys like Antwan Barnes, Antonio Garay, and Dawan Landry aren't meant to usher in a new era of dominance for the team. They are guys who have the potential to outproduce their dollar value, which is all the Jets can hope for right now. They can't, nor should they, be signing big free agents to big dollars right now.

4. Signed Calvin Pace back to a cap friendly deal.
- Great move. Gives the Jets flexibility in the draft to get the best player available. I'm sure the Jets hope he doesn't play much, but if he does he won't hurt the team. That's important, while his playmaking days are behind him, the Jets won't have to worry about him making lots of mistakes either.

5. Drafted a CB, pass rushing interior DL, and QB in the first two rounds.
- You can debate the philosophy of trading away the best CB only to draft one in the first round. But, Milliner was the best CB by a lot in this draft, and many think will be a star. Richardson will hopefully fill a role the Jets haven't had since Trevor Pryce. Interior pass rushes might be the rarest breed in the NFL, so if you think you've found a good one...pounce. I am not the biggest fan of the Geno Smith pick, but if the Jets truly think he can be their franchise QB...you can't knock this pick.

6. Drafted solid OL prospects in the middle rounds.
- Unlike Idzik's predecessor, he seems to understand the importance of building depth on the OL in the middle rounds. I really like Winters and Aboushi, and think both will be starters at some point this season. These are great picks you'd have a tough time poking holes in...

7. Cut Tebow
- Duh.

8. Released scouts and FO people.
- He's going to bring in some of his own guys, something every new boss does in every profession. Get over it. And don't say he should have fired them before the draft, they were 9 months into a 12 month process with those guys...you can't replace what they had done for 9 months.

Like I said...I'm not saying Idzik is a great GM. But, you can't possibly know enough about him to go on the ridiculous rants you have 115.

Could the Revis trade turn out to be a disaster? Sure.

Could Geno Smith be cut in 2 years? Sure.

Could Idzik never be able to lure top quality FA's when the Jets think they are closer to a championship? Sure.

Could Idzik get the team in cap trouble by handing out bloated contracts to declining players both internal and external? Sure.

But...none of that has happened yet. So relax.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

1) revis himself made it clear he had no idea what was happening. even rex seemed clueless.

2) they probably mean more to us then to the teams they left to. keller was our best WR for the past 2 years pretty much.

5) no you need a playmaker to help the young QB. when you say offense playmaker you think more of teh ones that help the QBs. the RBs, WRS, and TEs. i wouldn't consider o-line offense playmaker either

6) i injured guy who is old an dmight not play (colon) and who was the other one? we also still don't have a decent RT

8) maybe in 2 months he would have fired 2 diferent scouts that weren't doing good. again we don't know but there is no way idzik could accuratly judge them in that short amount of time
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

Do we know for a fact we did not try to offer Keller anything? I do not remember anything about that.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:21 PM

115 is reaching on the scout thing, either that or he doesn't understand how things work in the NFL. It was common knowledge that Idzik would have to work with the previous guys in the scouting department, considering he was hired right around the senior bowl so there was too much work already done in that process. It was also common knowledge that after the draft he was going to bring in his own department. Other teams did this as well. It would be stupid to fire a scouting department so close to the draft, you would be at a huge disadvantage to the rest of the league.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

115 is reaching on everything...I'm officially done with the Idzik debate.

I think I'll start talking about the 2014 draft now, because it makes me happy. :beach:
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 03 May 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Do we know for a fact we did not try to offer Keller anything? I do not remember anything about that.


According to Keller he said the JEts had a offer, but he chose the Dolphins over the Jets.

The Jets had a offer on Slauson as well, but they weren't in a position to overpay mediocre players. Its bad business to overpay mediocre players. Good NFL teams recognize who to pay and who you can replace through the draft. Slauson was replaced by Brian Winters. The Jets also signed 2 veterans on the OL. Willie Colon isn't a bad player when healthy.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 03 May 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

115 is reaching on the scout thing, either that or he doesn't understand how things work in the NFL. It was common knowledge that Idzik would have to work with the previous guys in the scouting department, considering he was hired right around the senior bowl so there was too much work already done in that process. It was also common knowledge that after the draft he was going to bring in his own department. Other teams did this as well. It would be stupid to fire a scouting department so close to the draft, you would be at a huge disadvantage to the rest of the league.


I believe 115 has become obsessed with Idzik. It does not matter what he does. Its his thing. His bit. His claim to fame. Idzik could have aquired Aaron Rogers with a spoon of peanut butter and 115 would be hating.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:28 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 03 May 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

I believe 115 has become obsessed with Idzik. It does not matter what he does. Its his thing. His bit. His claim to fame. Idzik could have aquired Aaron Rogers with a spoon of peanut butter and 115 would be hating.


Peanut butter would have been a steal!! If it were almond butter, though...that shit is expensive!
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 03 May 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

According to Keller he said the JEts had a offer, but he chose the Dolphins over the Jets.

The Jets had a offer on Slauson as well, but they weren't in a position to overpay mediocre players. Its bad business to overpay mediocre players. Good NFL teams recognize who to pay and who you can replace through the draft. Slauson was replaced by Brian Winters. The Jets also signed 2 veterans on the OL. Willie Colon isn't a bad player when healthy.


Some speculation here... Keller left to get away from the Jets (assuming the $ was the same. The only other team to offer him a contract was Miami. If that is accurate I see 2 issues. 1) Keller wanting to leave this mess is on MT not Idzik. 2) if there was only one other team interested maybe we (as fans) had him overrated.
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