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SackExchange71 Icon : (17 August 2014 - 02:31 PM) Imo i still think howard is better then giacomini..Wish they never let him walk.Giacomini had alot of flags in seattle also
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azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
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azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
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azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
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Why Did Geno Smith Really Fire His Agents?

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

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Why Did Geno Smith Really Fire His Agents?

Geno Smith fell to the second round of the NFL draft, 39th overall. It wasn't unfathomable, but it was toward the most pessimistic end of the most pessimistic projections. Then, weird stuff happened: Smith fired his agents. His agents went to the media, anonymously claiming that Smith was disappointed he didn't go first overall. Now, it gets even weirder: the ex-agents have issued a statement putting further blame on Smith, and did so "in response to" the reports based on their own leaks.

It started with the Daily News, though Smith's ex-agents at the Select Sports Group approached a number of reporters with the story that Smith fired them because he "thought he would be and should be" the No. 1 pick. Smith denied that during a radio interview, saying "it’s not because of one particular incident, there are a number of things," and indicated his willingness to let the issue go.

Then, last night, Smith's ex-agents Jeff Nalley and Erik Burkhardt issued a statement to Pro Football Talk, doubling down on the "Smith was disappointed by his draft position" narrative. This is strange for a number of reasons: players change representation all the time, and both sides usually keep it quiet (Browns receiver Josh Gordon fired Select Sports three weeks ago, and no statement was released by either side); Nalley and Burkhardt were giving a public comment in response to their own private comments, not to Smith; Florio oddly headlined the story "Geno Smith’s former agents wish him the best."

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“We worked tirelessly for Geno Smith and all of our draft prospects. The NFL Draft is unpredictable, and we prepared Geno and all of our draft prospects, as we do every year, about what can happen during the draft. Not only did we tell him that what transpired on the first day of the draft was possible, the question of whether Geno would be a first- or second-round pick was arguably the most talked about subject in the three months leading up to the draft. We wish Geno the best.”


We spoke to a person close to Geno Smith, because while a player switching agencies isn't unique, it's often done for interesting reasons. Our source says that while Select Sports "absolutely told Geno he'd go No. 1," that was at the beginning of their partnership, and it's par for the course for agents to promise their clients the world. Smith is less bothered by that promise, the person says, than by Nalley and Burkhardt attempting to portray it as the sole reason for his move.

Smith, we're told, was more upset that Select Sports handled him like a potential high pick, failing to do the sorts of things that could have improved his draft position. Our source says Smith wanted to take part in the Senior Bowl, a showcase for talent looking to move up, but his agents convinced him to skip it. When Pro Football Weekly issued a scathing scouting report, calling Smith "not committed or focused" and deriding his "marginal work ethic," Smith was disappointed that his agents did nothing to combat the negative press it created, our source says.

Smith also felt betrayed, perhaps unfairly, when Jeff Nalley had two of his quarterback clients sign with teams that might have been landing spots for Smith—Chase Daniel in Kansas City and Kevin Kolb in Buffalo. (This argument doesn't hold much water after the Bills traded down to take E.J. Manuel.)

Our source—and, remember, this is someone from Smith's camp talking—claims Smith came to terms with his potential draft plunge weeks before the draft, and takes the blame for not being as polished a prospect as he could have been, both on and off the field. We openly speculated on some of the pre-draft preparation an agent gives a player, but the person close to Smith says he didn't make his call based on that, or on not going No. 1. "He just felt like he needed a change, and that's the end of the story," the person says. Which means it's clearly just the beginning.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:43 AM

AAAAHHHHH!!!!!! WHY DOES EVERYTHING WITH THIS TEAM NEED TO BE SO DRAMATIC!!!!!?????
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

AAAAHHHHH!!!!!! WHY DOES EVERYTHING WITH THIS TEAM NEED TO BE SO DRAMATIC!!!!!?????


Our circus media...
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:21 AM

View PostJetsfan0099, on 02 May 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

Our circus media...


In fairness, the circumstance surrounding Smith firing his agents give the media reason to speculate. That and the fact there's another two and a half months before the real action begins with training camp.

With his slide in the draft and this move, Geno hasn't necessarily made the most auspicious entry into the league. But I guess we shouldn't really care much at all. His performances on the field will be far more revealing of his character and ability to succeed in the league. I'll wait for them before properly judging him.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:11 PM

Been some real questions over his matureness recently. No good.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:43 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 02 May 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Been some real questions over his matureness recently. No good.

Isnt he like 21 or something? He will mature. It comes with age. I would be more concerned with who he is using for support.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

Meeting with teams and being on Twitter/Texting the whole time doesn't bode well.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 02 May 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Isnt he like 21 or something? He will mature. It comes with age. I would be more concerned with who he is using for support.


I know it's unfair to judge such a young man so harshly, but unfortunately playing 1 of the 32 most important positions in professional sports demands an incredibly mature and even-keeled person.

At the QB position, you have to be a leader...you have to be respected. I'm not saying I know anything about Smith's maturity or leadership...but this isn't a good start in the blood sucking, butcher market that is NYC media.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 02 May 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

I know it's unfair to judge such a young man so harshly, but unfortunately playing 1 of the 32 most important positions in professional sports demands an incredibly mature and even-keeled person.

At the QB position, you have to be a leader...you have to be respected. I'm not saying I know anything about Smith's maturity or leadership...but this isn't a good start in the blood sucking, butcher market that is NYC media.

You have a valid point. I see the action that makes hime seem immature now may make him a vocal leader later. Or he could be a head case. We will see. I am of the belief he should sit for at least a year.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:22 PM

I'm starting to get a Ryan Leaf vibe from him. He doesn't seem to handle adversity very well.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
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4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:05 PM

That's odd the Ryan leaf comment. Lol Stephen smith said the same thing that one of his inside sources told him that he was disrespectful to the NFL coaches and personal lol
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View PostSackExchange71, on 02 May 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

That's odd the Ryan leaf comment. Lol Stephen smith said the same thing that one of his inside sources told him that he was disrespectful to the NFL coaches and personal lol

Holy sizzle. Mr. jet is really Stephen Smith?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:52 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 02 May 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Holy sizzle. Mr. jet is really Stephen Smith?



This hurts me to say this. I love Stephan A. like a brother. But he is CLEARLY a caricature that apparently agrees with me about Geno Smith's personality.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:57 PM

View PostJetsman05, on 02 May 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:

Been some real questions over his matureness recently. No good.


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:07 PM

I don't pay attention to any of this drama shit. We'll see what he does in the NFL, that is all that matters.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:48 AM

View PostJetsman05, on 02 May 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Meeting with teams and being on Twitter/Texting the whole time doesn't bode well.


You never know where this is coming from. From an agent POV, having a client who was "supposed" to be a Top 10 pick drop all the way to 39 is very very bad. Imagine how the meeting with Bridgewater or Manziel is going to go in the fall? The agents need as much PR as possible to distance their actions from Geno's slide. An "unnamed NFL personnel" person could be anyone. The agents definitely didn't do their job, either by not fully preparing Geno or by over estimating him and exposing him to that Day 1 ordeal in the green room. I will reserve judgement on anything that comes out this spring/summer about his intangibles because I believe that his agents are going into full out damage control mode.

Think about it this way: their business depends on continues clientele. The easiest way to get new clients is to sell themselves to the college kids hoping to get drafted. When one of your clients has a draft day fiasco like Smith, then fires you within a week, you MUST do what it takes to win the reputation battle. Geno already has a job, but the agents will have to work tirelessly to ensure that their next client doesn't think that what happened to Geno will happen to them.
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