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Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:51 PM) Milliner did suffer a high ankle sprain, that sucks. could linger all year
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (18 August 2014 - 03:52 PM) I think Patterson sucked vs the Colts because he was injured, which he always is.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:49 PM) As much as people criticized Tannanbaum for spending too much. It's starting to look like Idzik is going to be too cheap.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
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azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
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A Closer Look At The Idzik Plan

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

On January 18th, things were looking pretty bleak over here in JetsLand as John Idzik was hired to take over as General Manager and right the ship. We heard it all regarding this team, whether it was that there’s no talent, or that the cap situation is impossible to fix. We heard the word “circus” thrown around repeatedly, and endless bashing of Rex Ryan and his team. Well, ever since then, Idzik has methodically went about his business and gotten this organization back on track, step by step. Jets fans who closely follow the team have praised him for the job he’s done from top to bottom. Let’s look at how in just three and a half months, John Idzik revamped this roster from “old, slow, and expensive” to “young, talented, and hungry” with a simple 7 part plan.

Step 1 – Dump the Dead Weight – As soon as Idzik was hired and got a chance to look at the team as a whole, the first thing he had to do was cut the dead weight from this roster — and there was plenty of it. The first to go wasn’t a player, but rather a coach, Dave DeGuglielmo, the disgraceful former offensive line coach who once touted Wayne Hunter as the best right tackle out there. Dumping him was a great start. Next to go were some veteran players whose contracts didn’t match up with their level of play anymore: Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, The Smith brothers, Jason and Eric, and Sione Po’uha not long after. It’s worth noting that those moves were all fairly obvious and whoever took the job would have cut all of those over the hill, overpaid, overused players. It’s what Idzik did next that made his early tenure as general manager positive.

Step 2 – Replace the Replaceable – The Jets had many free agents heading into this offseason, and how Idzik handled players such as Mike DeVito, Dustin Keller, Laron Landry, Shonn Greene, Brandon Moore, and Matt Slauson would go a long way towards shaping this roster. Those players were all major contributors to last year’s 10-loss team and all have major question marks at this point in their careers.

Landry is the best of the bunch, and while he was a Rex Ryan and fan-favorite, the Jets simply couldn’t afford to guarantee the same amount of money to the oft-injured safety that the Colts did. The rest of the key free agents on the team were all very replaceable and not worth over-paying for, and that’s exactly how Idzik felt. None of those players were worth offering multiple years or big money to, so Idzik allowed them all to walk away to new teams. Despite some fans clamoring to re-sign them, paying big money to role players like Keller or DeVito is a surefire way to get yourself to 8-8 every year. Giving starter money to Shonn Greene is how you set yourself up to be unemployed in a few years. Brandon Moore is so washed up (despite what some in the media may have you believe), that he has still yet to be signed by a team. Yes, letting all these players go obviously meant Idzik would have a lot of holes to fill, but he had a plan for that.

Step 3 – Find the Value – Rather than overpay for mediocre players just because they were already Jets, Idzik identified where there was better value on the free agent market. With his hands tied financially due to Mike Tannenbaum’s mishandling of the salary cap, Idzik had to be smart with who he signed. He targeted two different kinds of players as free agency opened: cheap productive veterans who were let go from their previous teams for various reasons, such as Willie Colon, Antonio Garay, and Dawan Landry; and younger players with upside looking for an opportunity, like Mike Goodson and Antwan Barnes. He also pulled off the trade with the New Orleans Saints to land talented and productive running back Chris Ivory, who has all of the tools to be a major contributor to this team. All of those players brought in have shown ability and offered much better bang for the buck than the alternatives.

Step 3b – Give incumbent Young Talent a Chance – Not only was Idzik going to replace the departed free agents with outside signings, but he also decided he was going to let the young talent already on the roster get a chance to show what they can do in bigger roles. Players like Jeremy Kerley and 2nd-round pick Stephen Hill will be given opportunities to play major roles on offense, as will tight ends Jeff Cumberland and Hayden Smith. The 3rd-round picks from 2011 and 2012, Kenrick Ellis and Demario Davis respectively, will be taking over major roles on defense to replace departed veterans like Scott and Po’uha. Last year’s draft choices Antonio Allen and Josh Bush will be given a chance to replace Yeremiah Bell and Eric Smith at safety, while Garrett McIntyre and Ricky Sapp can help fill the (small) hole left behind by Bryan Thomas. In many cases, the players stepping up from within or the ones who were brought in from the outside not only offer better value than the player they’re replacing from 2012, but they’re better players, period.

Step 4 – Trade Revis – This could go in the previous section with the value moves, but the Revis Saga deserves it’s own heading. The Revis trade was mainly driven by ownership, but it was up to Idzik to maximize the return on his best player who was coming off an ACL tear and had a history of being a major pain in the butt to teams off the field with his contract situation. When the process began, many in the media were skeptical that Idzik would be able to even fetch as much as the Vikings got in exchange for Percy Harvin and that a first-round pick wouldn’t be had. Well, Idzik played the situation about as well as he possibly could and ended up with not only a 1st round pick, but a high one (#13 overall), and he got what will likely be a 3rd round pick in the 2014 draft. It sucks to lose a player like Revis, but Idzik did what needed to be done.

Step 5 – Cut Out the Leaks / End the “Circus” - From the moment Idzik has taken over, he’s taken steps toward eliminating the whole “circus” persona that has overtaken the Jets franchise the past few years. The most noticeable change has occurred with the media, as the leaks that plagued the previous regime have been completely plugged. There are no more anonymous sources from the front office giving reporters information. There are no anonymous quotes coming out from inside the locker room. Heck, the beat writers don’t even have the scoop on players the team is looking at or about to sign. There wasn’t a peep about the Jets being interested in players like Willie Colon or Antonio Garay. Nobody knew Landry was going to sign until the Jets very own twitter account broke the news. Nobody had Sheldon Richardson linked to the Jets in the days leading up to the draft, and the guesses about the Revis trade compensation became comical at best. The Jets are back to being run like an actual football team, and that’s a good thing.

Step 6 – Promote Competition Across the Roster – This is most notable at the quarterback position, where much has been made about the fact the Jets currently have five quarterbacks on the roster despite Greg McElroy and Matt Simms not actually having a chance to start. When the position was as big of a mess as it was last year, then competition between three players like Sanchez, Garrard, and 2013 2nd-round pick Geno Smith is not a bad thing at all. But it’s not just at the QB position where Idzik has preached competition. He brought in two new running backs — Chris Ivory and Goodson — to compete with Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight. At Guard, Idzik brought in FOUR new players to compete with incumbents Vlad Ducasse and Caleb Schlauderaff. Willie Colon and Stephen Peterman were signed on the cheap, while the 3rd and 6th-round draft choices were used on Brian Winters and William Campbell.

Dee Milliner was drafted to push Kyle Wilson down the depth chart and push competition with guys like Aaron Berry, Ellis Lankster, Isaiah Trufant, and Darrin Walls for roster spots. Garay was signed to push Kenrick Ellis, and Sheldon Richardson was drafted to play on the defensive line as well. There will even be competition at the fullback position as Lex Hilliard will battle it out with 7th-round pick Tommy Bohanon. From top to bottom, there will be depth at every position, and the best players will compete for playing time.

Step 7 – Look Toward The Future – Idzik has done a very good job setting a foundation on this roster, but there is obviously work to still be done. He’s re-tooled the offensive line, took a shot on a new “QB of the Future” with Geno Smith, added two good running backs who complement each other very well, and there’s a very good young and talented defensive foundation in place with guys such as Coples, Wilkerson, Cromartie, Harris, and now Milliner and Richardson.

Next year, there will be a lot of extra salary eligible to come off the books, and Idzik will be flush with draft picks. The Tampa Bay 3rd or 4th rounder (depending on the Revis situation) will belong to the Jets, and it’s expected that the team will be awarded several compensatory selections in the mid-to-late rounds for players like Laron Landry, Keller, and DeVito signing elsewhere. So while there is still work to be done (positions such as Tight End, Linebacker, and of course QB still need to be solved), Jets fans everywhere should be encouraged with the job John Idzik has done in a short period of time. We’ll see how his moves play out on the field come September, but here in May, it’s hard to be disappointed, especially with how the team is set up going forward with cap room and a plethora of draft picks. For the first time in a while, it seems as though the Jets actually have a real plan: The Idzik Plan.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

Good post.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

This sounds like a Bleacher Report article.
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View PostFlyHiJets, on 01 June 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


View Postazjetfan, on 02 July 2014 - 03:36 PM, said:

There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

Yeah...I really like Idzik, but this is a little too positive. And Antwan Barnes is hardly young, he's 28(will turn 29 during the season) and on his fourth team. Not that I dislike the Barnes signing, but he's a role player to help compete to plug a hole until they can get a good, young starter.

However, I really like using the word methodical to describe Idzik. He reminds me of Sandy Alderson for the Mets, who I think is doing a great job. Nothing is flashy...you don't hear a lot from him...nothing happens too quick...and he NEVER overreaches/overpays for a player. If a market gets too big for a guy, you let him go even if you really wanted to sign him. That's probably very hard to do, to self-edit that way...but it's what separates the good from the bad.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 09 May 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

This sounds like a Bleacher Report article.


I think it's from "turnonthejets".
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

step 1- ruin jets
step 2 - retire before getting fired
step 3 ?????
step 4 profit
Get it done MT
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:52 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 May 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

step 1- ruin jets
step 2 - retire before getting fired
step 3 ?????
step 4 profit

You're a clown, stop being an attention whore
"I thought he was good?!? If he prays when he scores. Everyone knew him for praying. That only can mean he scores :)"

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:00 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 May 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

step 1- ruin jets
step 2 - retire before getting fired
step 3 ?????
step 4 profit


I'm sorry...how again does he profit from ruining a team?
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 09 May 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

I'm sorry...how again does he profit from ruining a team?


He's paraphrasing a joke from South Park

https://www.youtube....h?v=tO5sxLapAts
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 09 May 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

He's paraphrasing a joke from South Park

https://www.youtube....h?v=tO5sxLapAts


yup. glad someone got the joke. I think the underwear gnomes would be a better GM
Get it done MT
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 09 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

You're a clown, stop being an attention whore


your negative, be more positive
Get it done MT
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostHurricaneJet32, on 09 May 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Yeah...I really like Idzik, but this is a little too positive. And Antwan Barnes is hardly young, he's 28(will turn 29 during the season) and on his fourth team. Not that I dislike the Barnes signing, but he's a role player to help compete to plug a hole until they can get a good, young starter.

However, I really like using the word methodical to describe Idzik. He reminds me of Sandy Alderson for the Mets, who I think is doing a great job. Nothing is flashy...you don't hear a lot from him...nothing happens too quick...and he NEVER overreaches/overpays for a player. If a market gets too big for a guy, you let him go even if you really wanted to sign him. That's probably very hard to do, to self-edit that way...but it's what separates the good from the bad.

Solid comparison idzik is. Getting cheap upside guys to fill roster not overpaying guys like Latin Landry and mike devito....
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:46 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 May 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

your negative, be more positive

Lol, that's rich coming from you
"I thought he was good?!? If he prays when he scores. Everyone knew him for praying. That only can mean he scores :)"

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 09 May 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Lol, that's rich coming from you


being realistic to a negative situation is different form being negative towards a person for their opinions
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 06:05 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 May 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

yup. glad someone got the joke. I think the underwear gnomes would be a better GM


I'm gonna just go ahead and be perfectly content not getting a south park joke...
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostJetsfan115, on 09 May 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

being realistic to a negative situation is different form being negative towards a person for their opinions

The piece of logic that your tiny brain failed to consider is the subjectivity of this situation. YOU think it's negative, that doesn't mean it's negative. This isn't an objectively negative situation like the Boston marathon bombings, it's you being negative to, at worst, a neutral situation. Ipso facto, your a negative nancy.

And in response, yes, I'm being negative towards you.
"I thought he was good?!? If he prays when he scores. Everyone knew him for praying. That only can mean he scores :)"

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:03 AM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 10 May 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

The piece of logic that your tiny brain failed to consider is the subjectivity of this situation. YOU think it's negative, that doesn't mean it's negative. This isn't an objectively negative situation like the Boston marathon bombings, it's you being negative to, at worst, a neutral situation. Ipso facto, your a negative nancy.

And in response, yes, I'm being negative towards you.

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Can we change 115s name to Negative Nancy?
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:16 AM

get it done MT!
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:03 PM

View PostMlorinczJ, on 10 May 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

The piece of logic that your tiny brain failed to consider is the subjectivity of this situation. YOU think it's negative, that doesn't mean it's negative. This isn't an objectively negative situation like the Boston marathon bombings, it's you being negative to, at worst, a neutral situation. Ipso facto, your a negative nancy.

And in response, yes, I'm being negative towards you.


negative and condescending. well done kid. no go suck on your mommys boob for comfort. Sorry that you get picked on in school too BTW. its ok. alot of angry internet people have the same thing happen to them. also if you would just go get laid you'd probably be less angry as well

Also you argument lacks an sense. you say the boston bombing is negative but base don your logic isn't it neutral since some people found it positive? you know the terrorists and all probably think it turned out quite well. So again you are the one always attacking me and being negative.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 10 May 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

negative and condescending. well done kid. no go suck on your mommys boob for comfort. Sorry that you get picked on in school too BTW. its ok. alot of angry internet people have the same thing happen to them. also if you would just go get laid you'd probably be less angry as well

Awwww... Did someones butt get hurt?

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