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Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 06:52 PM) You get what you pay for and when you let quality players go because you don't want to pay them, this is what happens. You're left with scrub players.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 07:55 PM) I'm still on board with the Idzik plan. Even with Revis and Revis we still are not going to the SB this year. But the down time sucks. If Milliner comes back healthy by week 3 or so we should be fine.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 08:18 PM) Regardless of our SB chances this year or next year. If Idzik keeps acting like a cheapskate and continues to let quality players go, we won't have to worry about winning much of anything this decade.
azjetfan Icon : (18 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) He wants to build through the draft. Not blow the bank on FA. I get what your saying but there is a balance and right now we are not one or two pieces away.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:00 PM) It's not about being one or two pieces away. It's about keeping the good pieces you have and building upon that.
Mr_Jet Icon : (18 August 2014 - 11:04 PM) But there is no sense in trying to build through the draft if he's only going to end up letting the good players he picks up go in FA after a few years. All because he wants to do things on the cheap.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:02 AM) FIRE IDZIK
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:33 AM) out side of Revis who left we should have kept?
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:34 AM) The Revis deal sucks but $16 million was too much for a CB and once he was gone he was not coming back.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 11:00 AM) Matt Slauson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:00 PM) Eh. I think with our current cap situation we will be able to retain guys like Wilkerson and whomever we want to keep. We are in a good position right now.
Mr_Jet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 01:49 PM) Time will tell.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:00 PM) landed revis abck. got DRC, nope we take patterson who got owned and always hurt. milner always hurt. 3rd round CB done for season. were gonna get passed on all day
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 02:44 PM) Yea the DRC bit makes me iffy
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 03:35 PM) better then patterson
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:45 PM) No I mean the fact that he whiffed on him.
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 05:46 PM) I'm not saying Idzik is perfect. I just like the direction we are heading. It's going to take some patience.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:27 PM) I like how our lack of secondary is the hot topic right now. The bigger issue is we still will not be able to throw the ball. We are not going to do much of anything regardless until we get a QB. Sorry for being so negative just my honest opinion.
RetireChrebet Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:29 PM) With that said I think our running game with CJ and Powell will be top 10 or somewhere around there
Jetsfan115 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 06:35 PM) i have faith that if geno messes up that vick can come in and do well. but i have 0 faith in our secondary right now which has been our strong point for the past 4 years or so
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:35 PM) I agree 115. but the one thing is Rex has done some good things in the past with shitty DBs and still had a solid D going back to his years in BAL
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:37 PM) Corey Ivy CB
36 Jim Leonhard SS/PR
43 Haruki Nakamura FS
25 Evan Oglesby CB
20 Ed Reed FS
22 Samari Rolle CB
39 Daren Stone FS
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31 Fabian Washington in 2008
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:39 PM) Reed is a HOF but Rolle was way past his prime
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) SNOOPY BOWL FRIDAY!!!
MikeGangGree... Icon : (19 August 2014 - 07:41 PM) WOOOOOOOOOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (19 August 2014 - 08:26 PM) I assume we will pick up a guy after the cuts happen.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (19 August 2014 - 10:14 PM) we'll see but I think we see better QB play than we have in a while.
518-JeTS-FaN Icon : (20 August 2014 - 08:54 AM) disgusted with my local programming, instead of jets and giants they are airing the raiders vs packers..wtf
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 09:23 AM) Glad I don't live up there anymore haha
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The JETS are #6 in the Forbes List for most franchise value
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 06:59 PM) The Buffalo Jills are #31 and the Miami Dolphags are #16 respectively
ganggreen2003 Icon : (20 August 2014 - 07:00 PM) The JETS are worth $1.8 billion
jet-man Icon : (20 August 2014 - 10:03 PM) that's less than the clippers
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 01:07 PM) I'm very excited with the amount of preseason touchdowns the Jets have
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 03:21 PM) FIRE IDZIK
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 07:22 PM) Calvin Pryor and Darrin Walls will start tomorrow
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:52 PM) The SIMPSONS MARATHON has been on for almost 12 hours...
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 08:57 PM) Sanchez looks so much more confident and better in Chip's offense than he did with us
ganggreen2003 Icon : (21 August 2014 - 09:50 PM) EVERY SIMPSONS EVER!!!!!
2JBallar01 Icon : (Yesterday, 07:10 AM) Sanchez is looking good for the eagles. Crazy how a good offense and the right system can make you look so much better. When you're put into a situatuon to succeed, magic happens. Happy for Sanchez, i think he needed a change just as much as the Jets did.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 08:02 AM) Preseason doesn't matter at all
Jetsfan115 Icon : (Yesterday, 11:10 AM) anyone have a stream for the preseaosn agme by chance?
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:06 PM) Don't read to much into Mark in the preseason. He usually looked good in the preseason even in a Jets uniform.. Big difference from regular season where the 1st string defense is playing 100%.
ROBJETS Icon : (Yesterday, 09:09 PM) A lot of 1st stringers are just getting reps in and trying not to get injured. Its only the backups trying to keep or get a job playing hard every down. If preseason qb play meant anything then Matt Simms would be the starting qb of the Jets.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

Ruskell is a personnel guy with ties to Seattle. Graves was the ex AZ GM who's background is scouting as well. Looks like Idzik is building his own war room. Going to be interesting to see if the Jets finally part ways with Terry Bradway.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:48 AM

Not sure on the need for Bradway to leave. Isn't he suppose to be great at scouting?
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

View PostChaos, on 15 May 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Not sure on the need for Bradway to leave. Isn't he suppose to be great at scouting?


Do our drafts reflect 'great" scouting?
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:44 AM

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 15 May 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Do our drafts reflect 'great" scouting?


What he scouts and who the Jets draft aren't always related. Wasn't he high on Russel Wilson and against Gholston? The drafts are based on the coach's and GM's opinions as well. Can't dump all the blame on him. If he isn't fired, I'm going to assume it's for good reason (or some incriminating evidence against Woody). He's been part of the Jets since 2001 and was kept after being replaced by Tanny and now Idzik (so far).
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

Didnt someone on here say Bradway was all about Russel last year but Tanny wouldnt lisen?
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:32 PM

Was Bradway against the Gholston pick back in 2008 or was he against it years after the 2008 draft? Was he high on Russell Wilson before the 2012 draft or was he high on him after Wilson had a great year with Seattle. I've only heard/read these things about Bradway AFTER it's clear to everybody that Gholston is a bust and Wilson is a rookie sensation.
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You're the scumbag that thinks everyone should kiss the as$es of a bunch of criminals but I'm a dumbass. Yeah okay douchebag. Go give some illegal wetback or Revis another blowjob. But then again.....don't you live in an entirely different country but yet think you can tell us how to live? Go fvck yourself little boy. You're likely still living with mommy & daddy. Pu$$y.


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There are a few things I have realized about Mr. Jet over a few topics.

1) He is a racist. By constantly using race as a battling tool.
2) He is an extreme Liberal. If you are on either extreme you are probabaly more wrong than right.
3) He is one of those people who will never admit fault, error or defeat.
4)His life sucks and he takes it out on people who don't share in his views.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostMr_Jet, on 15 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

Was Bradway against the Gholston pick back in 2008 or was he against it years after the 2008 draft? Was he high on Russell Wilson before the 2012 draft or was he high on him after Wilson had a great year with Seattle. I've only heard/read these things about Bradway AFTER it's clear to everybody that Gholston is a bust and Wilson is a rookie sensation.


Does it matter? These guys go back and forth on prospects all the time. I'm sure that he at one point thought that Gholston was the next LT and at another point thought he was a bust. My problem is this: he's head of scouting, right? I mean I'm not even sure of what his position is because I can't find it anywhere. All I rememebr is that he was "reassigned" from the GM role into a high-level scouting gig. Anyway, lets assume that he's head of scouting. If he's so brilliant as to forsee Gholston as a bum (which wasn't that hard since there were giant red flags everywhere) and lets say he wanted Wilson bad, which I think I read that he did "bang the table" at the draft for Wilson... why the hell aren't we listening to him more? Right? If he is as good as all these hindsight articles, shouldn't he be the defacto voice in the war room? Or is his overall track record spotty enough that for every pick he gets right, we have a Ducasse and a Anthony Schlegal? In which case, if your head of scouting cannot be trusted, why is he here?
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostChaos, on 15 May 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

What he scouts and who the Jets draft aren't always related. Wasn't he high on Russel Wilson and against Gholston? The drafts are based on the coach's and GM's opinions as well. Can't dump all the blame on him. If he isn't fired, I'm going to assume it's for good reason (or some incriminating evidence against Woody). He's been part of the Jets since 2001 and was kept after being replaced by Tanny and now Idzik (so far).


Yes. Bradway loved Russell Wilson. And the Jets drafted Gholston largely because of Mangini, who convinced Tannenbaum that he would make him a player even though the scouting department wasn't high on Gholston.



A new Gm brings in his own scouting department, this isn't surprising.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 03:55 PM

View PostSecondHandJets, on 15 May 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Do our drafts reflect 'great" scouting?


Considering how many of our draft picks over the past two decades have made pro bowls and are still in the league somewhere, I can't really say that the drafts were that poor. What do you really consider to be poor drafts? We've had far more good players drafted than busts during Bradway & Tannenbaum's tenure.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 15 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Considering how many of our draft picks over the past two decades have made pro bowls and are still in the league somewhere, I can't really say that the drafts were that poor. What do you really consider to be poor drafts? We've had far more good players drafted than busts during Bradway & Tannenbaum's tenure.



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2008 NFL Draft
RD Pick Player name Position College
1 6 Vernon Gholston Defensive end Ohio State
30 Dustin Keller Tight end Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery Cornerback San Josť State
5 162 Erik Ainge Quarterback Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry Wide receiver Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner Offensive tackle Arkansas



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Draft order Player name Position Height Weight College Pick From
Round Choice
1 5 Mark Sanchez Quarterback 6'3" 225 USC Cleveland Browns
3 65 Shonn Greene Running Back 5'11" 227 Iowa Detroit Lions
6 193 Matt Slauson Guard 6'5" 316 Nebraska


How many players from these very recent draft classes are currently on the active roster?
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 15 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Considering how many of our draft picks over the past two decades have made pro bowls and are still in the league somewhere, I can't really say that the drafts were that poor. What do you really consider to be poor drafts? We've had far more good players drafted than busts during Bradway & Tannenbaum's tenure.



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RD Pick Player name Position College
1 6 Vernon Gholston Defensive end Ohio State
30 Dustin Keller Tight end Purdue
4 113 Dwight Lowery Cornerback San José State
5 162 Erik Ainge Quarterback Tennessee
6 171 Marcus Henry Wide receiver Kansas
7 211 Nate Garner Offensive tackle Arkansas



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2009 NFL Draft Draft order Player name Position Height Weight College Pick From
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1 5 Mark Sanchez Quarterback 6'3" 225 USC Cleveland Browns
3 65 Shonn Greene Running Back 5'11" 227 Iowa Detroit Lions
6 193 Matt Slauson Guard 6'5" 316 Nebraska


How many players from these very recent draft classes are currently on the active roster?
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

View PostHarlemHxC814, on 15 May 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

How many players from these very recent draft classes are currently on the active roster?


revis isn't on the roster either, does that mean he was a bad pick? you can't blame the scouts for the GM not keeping talent. and idzik let like 5 of those players who were solid starters walk this season so its on idzik not the scouts.
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 10:19 AM

Still in the league would be a better question. The fact that we did not resign them is irrelavent
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

View PostFlyHiJets, on 15 May 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Considering how many of our draft picks over the past two decades have made pro bowls and are still in the league somewhere, I can't really say that the drafts were that poor. What do you really consider to be poor drafts? We've had far more good players drafted than busts during Bradway & Tannenbaum's tenure.


I must admit that I'm somewhat of a stickler when it comes to draft evaluation. To me, hitting on a first rounder should be damn near automatic. Anything less than 75% success rate (meaning that the player is a solid starter in the NFL) is unacceptable. I feel that anything less than 50% for your 2nd rounder is unacceptable. After that, I really don't expect the team to constantly draft starters but in rounds 3-4, I expect solid contributors with one of those pics sticking every other year (basically a 25% success rate). To me, Bradway is less than solid but on the other hand, we can't really separate what we drafted vs what he actually recommended.
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:07 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 16 May 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

revis isn't on the roster either, does that mean he was a bad pick? you can't blame the scouts for the GM not keeping talent. and idzik let like 5 of those players who were solid starters walk this season so its on idzik not the scouts.


Players the Jets let walk this offseason:

LaRon Landry - Injury liability. Couldn't extend his contract anyway due to cap issues.
Mike Devtio - Contract issues.
Sione Pouha - Injury liability. Still a FA.
Dustin Keller - Injured all of last season, no one would sign him long term. 1 year contract with Fins.
Yeremiah Bell - He's 35.
Brandon Moore - Still a FA.
Matt Slauson - Contract issues.
Shonn Greene - He was replaced with 2 other RBs. Not a big loss.

Safety is the Jets biggest weakness. Jets will get back compensatory draft picks for most of these guys and they drafted younger players for the lines. If Jets lost 5 SOLID starters from last season, they would have been a better team last year. Retooling requires changes and the Jets made the required ones. I have no qualms about the the way the Jets handled free agency this year.
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 04:48 PM

View PostChaos, on 16 May 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Players the Jets let walk this offseason:

LaRon Landry - Injury liability. Couldn't extend his contract anyway due to cap issues.
Mike Devtio - Contract issues.
Sione Pouha - Injury liability. Still a FA.
Dustin Keller - Injured all of last season, no one would sign him long term. 1 year contract with Fins.
Yeremiah Bell - He's 35.
Brandon Moore - Still a FA.
Matt Slauson - Contract issues.
Shonn Greene - He was replaced with 2 other RBs. Not a big loss.

Safety is the Jets biggest weakness. Jets will get back compensatory draft picks for most of these guys and they drafted younger players for the lines. If Jets lost 5 SOLID starters from last season, they would have been a better team last year. Retooling requires changes and the Jets made the required ones. I have no qualms about the the way the Jets handled free agency this year.


landry was too expensive and so was devito. i agree there
pohua if healthy should be brought back in IMO
Keller - we could have brought back for a 1 year deal
bell isn't a big loss
moore isn't a big loss
slauson signed a 1 year dear to make an extra 200k with the bears. we could have paid that small amout and kept our starter we drafted for the past 2 years
greene i was ok letting go.

I only expec a 4th for landry and a 6th for devito and a 6th for keller. not much were getting back. safety is a big weakness we've ignored
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:19 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 16 May 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

landry was too expensive and so was devito. i agree there
pohua if healthy should be brought back in IMO
Keller - we could have brought back for a 1 year deal
bell isn't a big loss
moore isn't a big loss
slauson signed a 1 year dear to make an extra 200k with the bears. we could have paid that small amout and kept our starter we drafted for the past 2 years
greene i was ok letting go.

I only expec a 4th for landry and a 6th for devito and a 6th for keller. not much were getting back. safety is a big weakness we've ignored

That is probably your most coherent post I have seen in a while. I pretty much agree as well. Slauson I felt was overrated. He was between two pro bowlers. Bell was replaced by Landry. Keller I was surprised by but I am sure there is more to it than we know. Greene was average
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 05:32 PM

View Postazjetfan, on 16 May 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

That is probably your most coherent post I have seen in a while. I pretty much agree as well. Slauson I felt was overrated. He was between two pro bowlers. Bell was replaced by Landry. Keller I was surprised by but I am sure there is more to it than we know. Greene was average


i just think idzik dind't want to pay keller to be honest. maybe it had to do with his relationship to mark, who knows. either way we shouldn't have let keller walk to such a small deal. had they given him like 4 years 30 mil i would have understand like i did with landry. but keller has been our leading receiver for 2 of the past 3 years and would have been last year if not the injuries. he had speed, good route runner, good hands, good down the seam, and always fought for yards. only downfall was his blocking. geno could have really used keller in the future
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:50 PM

View PostJetsfan115, on 16 May 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

i just think idzik dind't want to pay keller to be honest. maybe it had to do with his relationship to mark, who knows. either way we shouldn't have let keller walk to such a small deal. had they given him like 4 years 30 mil i would have understand like i did with landry. but keller has been our leading receiver for 2 of the past 3 years and would have been last year if not the injuries. he had speed, good route runner, good hands, good down the seam, and always fought for yards. only downfall was his blocking. geno could have really used keller in the future

Personally I think Keller did not want to be here. I think the NY media and fickle fan base wears on players and coaches who have weak minds. He is the only departure that does not make sense to me. That leads me to believe there is more to it.
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