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ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:26 PM) we need to cut this assclown patterson
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:34 PM) did Hill get cut yet?
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) lol. We might need to look at the Eagles cuts for possible 2nd and 3rd stringers
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:36 PM) If they keep ZHill after this game I will be shocked.
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:38 PM) Philly gave us a worse ass whipping than Detroit gave Buffalo. only difference is we scored
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 09:42 PM) Im just wondering what manning will put up on our secondary? 70?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:12 PM) who cares about getting destroyed in a preseason game, especially the 4th one. Most of these guys won't even make the team
ganggreen2003 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:15 PM) Hill cut yet?
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) FIRE IDZIK
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:21 PM) Yeah this game means nothing...except to Stephen Hill (who fumbled lol) and 115
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:23 PM) Hill is a bum, hes pretty much never shown much football skill. The Jets fucked up big time taking him over Alshon Jeffery.
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:29 PM) I'm still pissed off about that
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:43 PM) Its not that Im worried about the preseason game itself. i could care less about that. Its the fact of how bad we got destroyed. And some of the guys will be on the team and others on the fringe so getting destroyed like that doesnt fill me with confidence
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:44 PM) It would be one thing if it was just the second half or 4th quarter but this was the whole game. especially getting destroyed in the 1st quarter and at least part of the 2nd where a lot of the guys will be on the team
ROBJETS Icon : (28 August 2014 - 10:48 PM) 2nd and 3rd stringers making the team had something to prove and even our 2nd stringers got owned so yes Im very concerned. The first stringers need breaks and also if some of them get injured they need to step up. So no after this performance start to finish Im very concerned
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:39 AM) Meh...you're reading too much into it
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 06:40 AM) Even in seasons where the Jets blew, I haven't seen anyone refer to the preseason to complain. Ever.
Jetsfan115 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:15 AM) fire izdik http://theredzone.or...rs/Default.aspx
Jetsman05 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 11:17 AM) I picture Rob and 115 as real life friends
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 04:01 PM) Holmes can still play, problem is that hes also a cancer. He wore out his welcome with the Jets
ganggreen2003 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 08:23 PM) did Hill get cut?
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:00 PM) Haven't seen anything yet
MikeGangGree... Icon : (29 August 2014 - 09:06 PM) Whos ready for the season!!? WOOOOO
azjetfan Icon : (30 August 2014 - 11:54 AM) Hill has been cut
MikeGangGree... Icon : (30 August 2014 - 01:24 PM) Who wants to take bets he ends up in NE
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:18 PM) We'll I guess you guys are fools then in thinking im a fool for being concerned. Do any of you even know that in 2013 the Jets gave up the most passing yards in the franchise since 1986? And our secondary right now is worse than last year right now. To not be concerned is utterly foolish.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:19 PM) Unless our d-line has a monstrous year odds are the team will be eaten up in the pass. Every team will game plan to exploit the pass this year.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 02:56 PM) Patterson got cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:24 PM) Patterson must have been a huge cancer to get cut
flood555 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:26 PM) is there a midseason draft? we need a DB!
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) Our week 1 starting CBs will be Antonio Allen and Darrin Walls... wow
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 03:58 PM) interesting that Simms and Boyd were released
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 04:00 PM) No more McIntyre
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:20 PM) Pretty sure some of these cuts like Simms and McIntyre were made for removing some more cap space to try to find some decent corners and maybe another reliable wr. Possibly get some players cheap. I'd say the current 53 roster will change a good bit in the next week.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:23 PM) I just hope Geno doesn't get hurt or we are horse f*cked. Vick sure as hell can't stay healthy for a full season. I guess the FO could also be think of picking up an old vet cut as 3rd qb. Simms is ok but I'd never trust him to win a regular season game if he was put in.
ROBJETS Icon : (30 August 2014 - 05:25 PM) Anyway it's going yo be an interesting week.
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:18 PM) I doubt it was about freeing up money, considering we are way under. Like more than $20 mil, way more than enough to find some vet minimum CB
Jetsfan0099 Icon : (30 August 2014 - 10:19 PM) it's more about the roster numbers. McIntyre was replaced by rookies. IK showed flashes when he played
bleedsgreen Icon : (Yesterday, 08:34 AM) McIntyre is a shock to me he was a solid backup and made some big plays
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) 1 week till we are 1-0
ganggreen2003 Icon : (Yesterday, 04:44 PM) we need to annihilate the GAYders
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:28 PM) We claimed McFadden from the Browns. Knows the system should be able to contribute right away
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:29 PM) Watching the Browns game now. Playing all three CB spots. Looks OK. A little grabby although he has not been called for it
azjetfan Icon : (Yesterday, 05:30 PM) Might be a little aggressive and get burnt over top
HarlemHxC814 Icon : (Yesterday, 10:26 PM) FIRE IDZIK
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Bernanke Dares You To Buy Stocks

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

Any of you who have 401Ks that are stock based (especially those from former jobs) or and stocks may want to sit with your advisor or get one.

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Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke reiterated this week the message he has been sending for months about interest rates, the economy and the stock market.

Oh, it was couched in rhetoric and Fed-speak, but his message to average investors came through loud and clear: “I dare you to invest in stocks.”

No, Bernanke did not use those words, but the Fed’s actions and the chatter around them make that message unmistakable.

Combine an interest-rate environment where savers get virtually nothing with a stock market at all-time highs and a general nervousness about what will happen to that market when the Fed finally stops stepping in to prop up the economy and you have to wonder if investors have the nerve to throw more money at stocks.

Then add in Bernanke’s hint that the Fed’s rate of bond purchases could slow “in the next few meetings” and he just double-dog dared you to put more money in the market, knowing that the market will react to the end of quantitative easing the way most of us respond to food poisoning.

This reaction could be short-lived, however, and by floating that trial balloon this week, Bernanke may have been testing the waters, trying to see just how much the market reacts. The more it reacts now —— the more the big institutions start to anticipate a change in policy and price it into their plans — the less likely it will react with some long-running shock when the real moment arrives.

Plenty of average investors have taken Bernanke’s dare, which has simply grown stronger and more brash since the financial crisis of 2008. That said, while statistics show money flowing into equities, most of that has been from big institutions, and there hasn’t necessarily been some huge outflow from the fixed-income side of things, so there are a lot of people who haven’t responded to his actions yet.

“The majority of individual investors aren’t biting,” said Greg McBride, senior financial analyst for BankRate.com. “In April, Bankrate.com found 76% of Americans are not more inclined to invest in the stock market now, despite record low interest rates.”

For the investors who are in, Bernanke’s dare is something they had already factored in. For the rest of the investing public, they’re balancing all of the worries that have kept them out until now, most notably balancing the idea of a market at record highs with all of the conditions that make them nervous that a correction — or something much worse — is coming.

“You don’t want to be in or out based on emotions or flows, but on fundamentals,” said Barbara Marcin, manager of the Gabelli Dividend Growth fund (GBCIX) . “The overall fundamentals of the market are mediocre right now, you can’t get too excited. So while the Federal Reserve has intended to hold the risk-free rate to practically nothing to offer investors no choice but to invest in stocks if they want a return … the average individual hasn’t poured in.”

Bloomberg Ben S. Bernanke, chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve, speaks during a Joint Economic Committee hearing in Washington, D.C., U.S., on Wednesday, May 22, 2013.
“Traditionally, the market doesn’t form a good top until everybody is in, and that certainly hasn’t happened yet, but anyone who is getting in now has missed a tremendous run and may be getting in mostly because they feel that they have no real choice because they can’t get a real return anywhere but the market,” she added.

While it’s easy to find analysts touting the market’s solid prospects, investors are still having a tough time getting over the market’s travails of the last decade-plus. Cyclical swings don’t just batter account statements, they damage people’s confidence to stay in the market; it’s hard to stay invested — or even be invested — in a market that delivers its long-term returns in such an uneven way.

And yet for individuals, capturing the long-term return is the point.

No one has a good answer on how to do that without taking Bernanke up on the dare.

“Individual investors are starting to come into the market some, which I hate to see now that the market is at a high,” said Jeffrey Hirsch, co-author of the Stock Trader’s Almanac. “It would have been better last fall, when we had a major buy signal, or at some other time. But there’s always going to be a time that might be better, the problem is that if you just missed the last good time to get in the market, how do you know you will recognize the next ‘best time.’

“With the Fed providing a tailwind of liquidity,” he added, “I don’t think there will be a downdraft until Bernanke takes the punch bowl away. … But investors who want to take a chance now need to keep perspective on the risk versus the reward.”

Clearly, balancing risk requires diversification, not going all-or-nothing on Bernanke’s wager. It also means looking at the market not entirely in terms of percentages, but in real-dollar terms.

Hirsch noted that an investor with $10,000 looking to gain a 5% return is talking about adding $500 in annual returns compared with keeping the money on the sidelines. The discrepancy gets a bit bigger when adjusted for inflation.

“The question is whether that $500 is going to make it for you,” he said, “because if it’s not — and you’re too nervous to be in the market — you could still find yourself better off if you save more, or change your spending or doing something else that lets you invest more comfortably.”

Comfort is something the current market is not giving investors, even as it continues to play around with new highs. Investing into discomforting times — though historically profitable — is hard.

Ben Bernanke knows that.

If you’re not going to take his dare, planning around it is crucial. And if you are going to take him up on the challenge, you won’t want to be the last one to do it, because someone is going to wind up losing in this challenge, and it is most likely to be the ones who only accept Bernanke’s gamble right before he changes his provocation to something different.




Chuck Jaffe is a senior MarketWatch columnist. His work appears in many U.S. newspapers. Follow him on Twitter @MKTWJaffe.

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